I'd mark out so much if the episode 11 cliffhanger is 'I am The Master and you will obey me'. 
My theory on who Missy is
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Originally Posted by The_Judge_:
“Hmmm - Conjecture:
The best way to defeat your enemy is to learn about your enemy.
So, how best to learn about your enemy, if your enemy is the Doctor?
Answer - plant a stooge to become a companion who he trusts and becomes close to. Get that companion to be so close to the Doctor that she learns how the doctor works for you (without realising it). When she finally gets it, watch the whole thing of Clara being the Doctor, acting just like the Doctor on your IPad (lol) and congratulate yourself on choosing such a good stooge when your plan comes together .......
If such a theory were true then Clara has been "under the influence" of Missy ever since the shop incident but just never knew ......
All speculation naturally”
“Hmmm - Conjecture:
The best way to defeat your enemy is to learn about your enemy.
So, how best to learn about your enemy, if your enemy is the Doctor?
Answer - plant a stooge to become a companion who he trusts and becomes close to. Get that companion to be so close to the Doctor that she learns how the doctor works for you (without realising it). When she finally gets it, watch the whole thing of Clara being the Doctor, acting just like the Doctor on your IPad (lol) and congratulate yourself on choosing such a good stooge when your plan comes together .......
If such a theory were true then Clara has been "under the influence" of Missy ever since the shop incident but just never knew ......
All speculation naturally”
I posted the earlier version of my theory on the episode thread but I think it deserves to be here so pasting it:
Quote:
“Loved the episode, loved it!
The bit it at the end is rather interesting if you consider two quotes Missy has made in the series, again apologies if I misquote
"My boyfriend"
"Clara, so glad I chose you" (while using her Ipad, I laughed at this bit, lol)
And then when you consider the last scene of Deep Breath - 12 "jokingly" told Clara her boyfriend was calling her, turns out her "boyfriend" was 11.
So - my time for a crazy theory -
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“Loved the episode, loved it!
The bit it at the end is rather interesting if you consider two quotes Missy has made in the series, again apologies if I misquote
"My boyfriend"
"Clara, so glad I chose you" (while using her Ipad, I laughed at this bit, lol)
And then when you consider the last scene of Deep Breath - 12 "jokingly" told Clara her boyfriend was calling her, turns out her "boyfriend" was 11.
So - my time for a crazy theory -
Spoiler
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Originally Posted by The_Judge_:
“Yes, there certainly is something going on. We'll be finding out why the TARDIS never got on with her at the beginning
Looks like the Doctor has clicked that something is up as well ......”
“Yes, there certainly is something going on. We'll be finding out why the TARDIS never got on with her at the beginning
Looks like the Doctor has clicked that something is up as well ......”
I did find myself wondering what he was looking at on the monitor when he "wasn't listening" to Clara at the start of the episode. He certainly did seem to be looking at it very intently.
If we are going to find out that it was Missy who was the woman in the shop and that her plan was to create the "Impossible Girl", restore the Doctor's time line, return his memories of the non-fall of Gallifrey and engineer a new regeneration cycle, then I really do hope that she was all those things when Season 7 was in production. Otherwise, that's a lot of retconning, and the cracks are bound to show.
Originally Posted by lady_xanax:
“Urgh, Missy is just the typical Moffat dominatrix character. Do we really need a rehash of River/Tasha Lem/Irene Adler? How nice it would be to have a powerful female character that doesn't rely on sex appeal; or defy the stereotype by having a male character that relies on it.”
“Urgh, Missy is just the typical Moffat dominatrix character. Do we really need a rehash of River/Tasha Lem/Irene Adler? How nice it would be to have a powerful female character that doesn't rely on sex appeal; or defy the stereotype by having a male character that relies on it.”
A Freudian Scriptwriters Jest, not fully formulated and evolving. A guarantee of future work and income (an old ploy).
As to a powerful female character is this not the purpose of Clara? in each scene she grows (we saved the World Right?.....Dr ... we did....... you did?) ......later "Her Above" ... My Clara... I have chosen well.
Anyway Clara now seems to have her own Vibrator Wand courtesy of The Doctor to wave about a lot, so she may have moved on from the stereotype of having a male character to rely upon.
I hope it will turn out she was the woman in the shop. 12 and Clara need to show her they are not puppets to be manipulated in the finale. Don't think it has anything to do with the tardis. Tardis probably didn't like Clara at first because "she" thought it was too soon after Amy,Rory and River for the doctor to have a new freind. However by JTTCOTT they had started to get along. "Sexy" realised 11 needed Clara so decided to start being nice to her.
Originally Posted by Steve_Cardanas:
“the meddling monk”
“the meddling monk”
The Meddling Nun surely
A theory not to taken remotely seriously (even by me)
In the same way that the Valeyard was supposely an amalgamation of the Doctor's darker side then maybe Missy is an amalgamation of Romana's darker side
Once we learned that "Clara-clones" had been around throughout the Doctor's life, I took the view that the "woman in the shop" was simply Clara herself - in the form of one of her "clones".
At the time, I pointed out that Clara claimed to have been "born, lived and died" as each of those "clara-clones" which suggests they each had their own parentage and DNA - so it's possible - if not actually unavoidable - that there'd be "Clara-clones" that look nothing like here - possibly even not the same gender. THey'd also have their own dates of birth and death so a "Clara-clone" in Clara's own life can be much older than Clara.
All of which means that Clara could easily meet and fail to recognise one of her "clones".
It just seems obvious to me that the GI would have tried to prevent the meeting between Clara and the Doctor - and a "Clara-clone" would have been created specifically to make sure that she did.
At the time, I pointed out that Clara claimed to have been "born, lived and died" as each of those "clara-clones" which suggests they each had their own parentage and DNA - so it's possible - if not actually unavoidable - that there'd be "Clara-clones" that look nothing like here - possibly even not the same gender. THey'd also have their own dates of birth and death so a "Clara-clone" in Clara's own life can be much older than Clara.
All of which means that Clara could easily meet and fail to recognise one of her "clones".
It just seems obvious to me that the GI would have tried to prevent the meeting between Clara and the Doctor - and a "Clara-clone" would have been created specifically to make sure that she did.
My thoughts for what they are worth is that Missy is Romana. Choosing Clara to keep the Doctor alive
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“Once we learned that "Clara-clones" had been around throughout the Doctor's life, I took the view that the "woman in the shop" was simply Clara herself - in the form of one of her "clones".”
“Once we learned that "Clara-clones" had been around throughout the Doctor's life, I took the view that the "woman in the shop" was simply Clara herself - in the form of one of her "clones".”
Yes, that was a reasonable guess based on the things we knew and the lack of any other information. The fact that earlier in the series they commented on it being a mystery still unsolved suggests there's more to it - and I can't think of another time that Missy could have 'chosen' Clara.
Originally Posted by johnnysaucepn:
“Yes, that was a reasonable guess based on the things we knew and the lack of any other information. The fact that earlier in the series they commented on it being a mystery still unsolved suggests there's more to it - and I can't think of another time that Missy could have 'chosen' Clara.”
“Yes, that was a reasonable guess based on the things we knew and the lack of any other information. The fact that earlier in the series they commented on it being a mystery still unsolved suggests there's more to it - and I can't think of another time that Missy could have 'chosen' Clara.”
Depends on how you define "chose".
"To "chose" is not necessarily a physical process of selection - it can simply mean "decided upon".
You "chose" lottery numbers but you don't have a "relationship" with them. The time of "choosing" may also be irrelevant - you can "chose" what you want for Christmas months before telling anyone what you want.
It's not as if we have ANY idea what she was "chosen" for. She could have "chosen" her to be the next victim - which wouldn't be very motherly. I get "chosen" all the time - usually by Reader's Digest.
And it is "unsolved" - right up until Moffat writes a line that say "it was her"
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“And it is "unsolved" - right up until Moffat writes a line that say "it was her"”
“And it is "unsolved" - right up until Moffat writes a line that say "it was her"”
Well, yes, but it's also unsolved because Moffat says it's unsolved. If it were a Clara-clone, or if it were somehow Clara's mother, there wouldn't still be a mystery.
Quote:
“CLARA: Who put that advert in the paper?
DOCTOR: Who gave you my number? A long time ago, remember? You were given the number of a computer helpline, and you ended up phoning the Tardis. Who gave you that number?
CLARA: The woman. The woman in the shop.
DOCTOR: Then there's a woman out there who's very keen that we stay together.”
“CLARA: Who put that advert in the paper?
DOCTOR: Who gave you my number? A long time ago, remember? You were given the number of a computer helpline, and you ended up phoning the Tardis. Who gave you that number?
CLARA: The woman. The woman in the shop.
DOCTOR: Then there's a woman out there who's very keen that we stay together.”
But it's only a "mystery" because there's no answer been given - it's not "mysterious" in the spooky-music, Scooby Doo sense of the word - it's just an "unknown" at present and it's not "solvable". There is no "wrong" answer and no "right" one - the "solution" could be anything from "Satan" to "Doreen".
In fact, given that it was the Doctor's number, isn't the Doctor himself by far the most likely person to have given her the number, albeit indirectly - the "woman in the shop" may well be an absolute nobody who was just passing the number on cos the Doctor said "Do us favour love..."
In fact, given that it was the Doctor's number, isn't the Doctor himself by far the most likely person to have given her the number, albeit indirectly - the "woman in the shop" may well be an absolute nobody who was just passing the number on cos the Doctor said "Do us favour love..."
The line "... there's a woman out there who's very keen that we stay together." could be the Doctor pulling Clara's strings cos he already knew she was having doubts about remaining with him .
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“But it's only a "mystery" because there's no answer been given - it's not "mysterious" in the spooky-music, Scooby Doo sense of the word - it's just an "unknown" at present and it's not "solvable". There is no "wrong" answer and no "right" one - the "solution" could be anything from "Satan" to "Doreen".”
“But it's only a "mystery" because there's no answer been given - it's not "mysterious" in the spooky-music, Scooby Doo sense of the word - it's just an "unknown" at present and it's not "solvable". There is no "wrong" answer and no "right" one - the "solution" could be anything from "Satan" to "Doreen".”
No, it's a mystery because the writers insist there is an answer that's been concealed from us. That's what a mystery is. There's a clear distinction between that and a question that hasn't been asked, or a plot inconsistency that hasn't been mentioned. It's got nothing to do with whether it's supernatural or scary, it's been explicity foreshadowed that it's a point that will have some kind of impact on events to come.
It could be that we're asking the wrong question - but they want us to ask the question anyway.
well given these SPOILER pics
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67851
It would seem she's very much of this life as well as the next... I can't make sense of it all myslef
http://www.aintitcool.com/node/67851
It would seem she's very much of this life as well as the next... I can't make sense of it all myslef
Originally Posted by TerraCanis:
“I did find myself wondering what he was looking at on the monitor when he "wasn't listening" to Clara at the start of the episode. He certainly did seem to be looking at it very intently.”
“I did find myself wondering what he was looking at on the monitor when he "wasn't listening" to Clara at the start of the episode. He certainly did seem to be looking at it very intently.”
Having rewatched the episode to refresh my memory, I have maintained my original conclusion about this scene.
The Doctor is simply puzzled by strange readings on the monitor that he doesn't understand, and moments later Clara draws his attention to the smaller flattened TARDIS door - which is clearly a manifestation of the mysterious unfathomable readings.
Last edited by Sawyl Gwilym : 22-10-2014 at 18:32
Originally Posted by Sawyl Gwilym:
“Having rewatched the episode to refresh my memory, I have maintained my original conclusion about this scene.
The Doctor is simply puzzled by strange readings on the monitor that he doesn't understand, and moments later Clara draws his attention to the smaller flattened TARDIS door - which is clearly a manifestation of the mysterious unfathomable readings.”
“Having rewatched the episode to refresh my memory, I have maintained my original conclusion about this scene.
The Doctor is simply puzzled by strange readings on the monitor that he doesn't understand, and moments later Clara draws his attention to the smaller flattened TARDIS door - which is clearly a manifestation of the mysterious unfathomable readings.”
Thats how I saw the scene
I'm interested in all these "Missy" theories, but one I have read is that her name obviously suggests "Mistress" a female regeneration of "Master" but when missy says that the Doctor is her boyfriend, well we know he is already married to River Song, she is the Doctor's wife. So if the Doctor is indeed "Missy's" "boyfriend" then that does indeed make her his "Mistress" .
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...s#post75174943 - I was only messing around but I included the line "Missy called the married Doctor her "boyfriend" cos she's his MISTRESS which is a female MASTER"
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...s#post75174943 - I was only messing around but I included the line "Missy called the married Doctor her "boyfriend" cos she's his MISTRESS which is a female MASTER"”
“http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...s#post75174943 - I was only messing around but I included the line "Missy called the married Doctor her "boyfriend" cos she's his MISTRESS which is a female MASTER"”
Right I see, I've just read this theory on a twitter account and I'm starting to believe it, I always thought she could be "The Master" but never thought about her "Mistress" title in terms of being the other woman.
Originally Posted by garbage456:
“The episode in the bank time heist he gave her his number too”
“The episode in the bank time heist he gave her his number too”
I'm really wanting to get to last chapter now Gomez was really great in "Flatline" and she only had a couple of lines!!
We have all these theories about who could she be. But what about who WOULD she be. In Other words rather than using any evidence just think about why she is there and how she is involved in the finale.
I think it's logical to think she is either Clara or a new enemy and has sent Danny pink there.
I think it's logical to think she is either Clara or a new enemy and has sent Danny pink there.
Originally Posted by johnnymc:
“I'm really wanting to get to last chapter now Gomez was really great in "Flatline" and she only had a couple of lines!!”
“I'm really wanting to get to last chapter now Gomez was really great in "Flatline" and she only had a couple of lines!!”
Yeah forgotten her name without doing a Google search. The one from ashes to ashes.
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