EE Wifi Calling

Gigabit · 07-12-2014, 11:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by moox

I was going by http://help2.talktalk.co.uk/check-yo...dband-password

Fair enough but I use TalkTalk so I can confirm that it isn't necessary

de525ma · 07-12-2014, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchamier

With the Openreach fibre network it depends on the ISP. BT retail and the homehub 5 is a pain as you have to obtain an FTTC modem (ebay!) and then connect any ethernet router, but the username/password are fairly public.

Lots of routers with built-in VDSL2 modems are now available, which will work perfectly fine with Openreach FTTC and need no other equipment.

jchamier · 07-12-2014, 12:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by de525ma

Lots of routers with built-in VDSL2 modems are now available, which will work perfectly fine with Openreach FTTC and need no other equipment.

I guess we are still waiting for the certification statements, as who wants to buy a router then find BT change profile to 30a and it stops working ?

I remember the old BABT green circle and red triangle

moox · 07-12-2014, 12:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchamier

I guess we are still waiting for the certification statements, as who wants to buy a router then find BT change profile to 30a and it stops working ?

I remember the old BABT green circle and red triangle

IIRC BT does interoperability tests and has specifications somewhere about what a VDSL modem must do to be "certified" for use on their network. I read somewhere that Asus's modem has been problematic in the UK and they've been working with BT to sort it out

I doubt the many white Huawei/ECI modems support 30a anyway

- and given the glacial progress on vectoring we should probably expect 30a in about 2030

jchamier · 07-12-2014, 13:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by moox

IIRC BT does interoperability tests and has specifications somewhere about what a VDSL modem must do to be "certified" for use on their network. I read somewhere that Asus's modem has been problematic in the UK and they've been working with BT to sort it out

That's the sort of problem I was thinking of - not much fun if you've got a "problem" device, and you don't know, and its affected your DLM

Quote:

I doubt the many white Huawei/ECI modems support 30a anyway

- and given the glacial progress on vectoring we should probably expect 30a in about 2030

I think they do - but the main point (as AAISP director has frequently posted) is that the line interface is managed by openreach. From the cabinet to the ethernet jack is thus a "BT supported" link. Firmware updates centrally managed, etc.

Changing the termination point to be the RJ11 jack means there will be a lot more hassles than having a termination point being Ethernet.

ColonelK · 08-12-2014, 13:34

What's everyone's opinions then? Do you think we'll see WiFi calling this year?

I realize no one knows for sure, but what do you think?

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I still think we'll see it this year.

Synthetic42 · 08-12-2014, 14:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColonelK

What's everyone's opinions then? Do you think we'll see WiFi calling this year?

I realize no one knows for sure, but what do you think?

Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I still think we'll see it this year.

Maybe they'll launch it as some kind of Xmas thing

TonyPeake · 08-12-2014, 15:21

I would have thought if they were going to use it as a marketing tool, assuming it's all ready to roll out they would have done it by now. Most companies like this don't roll out updates like this over the holiday period as if it goes wrong there's a reduced number of staff on to try and put it right. So for what it's worth (pure speculation) I don't think we will see it this year.

I've become so disillusioned with EE and there attitude towards there customers that I won't be renewing my contract with them again.

Smurf001 · 08-12-2014, 15:31

I am wondering whether it is anything to do with BT looking to merge with either EE or O2, perhaps EE are holding back on wifi calling for a reason.

If it is all ready to go and in the hands of the marketing department then I think surely we would have heard something by now if it was to be this year, they could at least start releasing details of which phones and who it will be available to, if anything that would get them more sales. I think TonyPeake has made a good point saying it is unlikely to be released around the holiday period if it is the case that there is likely to be a reduced number of staff.

moox · 08-12-2014, 16:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smurf001

I am wondering whether it is anything to do with BT looking to merge with either EE or O2, perhaps EE are holding back on wifi calling for a reason.

Can't see why, any merger is still going to be a long way off even if it was announced tomorrow (the UK/EU competition authorities might want a say).

It should be business as usual.

jonmorris · 08-12-2014, 17:00

From a marketing point of view, it might now be too late to launch this year. It's hardly something that ties in well with Christmas, and EE is probably wanting to push a series of other messages right now - and in January with whatever sales/promotions it has lined up.

Whether it's ready or not is immaterial. Marketing is always going to be every bit as important as the complicated R&D process, logistics of rolling out, testing etc.

Smurf001 · 08-12-2014, 17:08

Are the other networks working on wifi calling as well? If so, is there a possibility that if EE delay for long enough that one of the other networks might not be far behind? I don't know anything about these things so don't know whether the other networks having wifi calling is an option?

jonmorris · 08-12-2014, 17:17

O2 and Three might not have the same way of doing things (BTW I just got a new version of inTouch on my phone about 5 minutes ago!) but a lot of people won't know the differences and already assume O2, Three (and now TalkTalk, plus no doubt some others) have already done it.

Therefore EE isn't necessarily going to be able to impress a lot of people or convince them that its implementation is better.

So, not something I see any need to rush out - especially if there are ANY issues that will just get the network loads of negative publicity.

dabotsonline · 08-12-2014, 17:38

Perhaps EE decided at the last minute to wait for native Android support in a Lollipop OTA early next year? Still, if they end up not launching VoWiFi this year then perhaps, from a marketing perspective, it would be best to wait beyond even January until VoLTE is ready and then launch the two in tandem, particularly so they can demonstrate handoff between them on supported handsets?

uno · 08-12-2014, 18:26

I am still trying to find out more about this from my contacts at EE but currently both are as confused as many on here as to why this service has not gone live.

It is in use for a select few large corporate contracts and its not causing any real issues or faults with good feedback to account executives and brand managers.

It was stopped from launch by marketing and investor relations I am sure they have got their valid reasons for the delay. I do wonder if its has got something to do with possible BT buyout as know they are launching their own version of wifi calling and using some the 4G frequency they brought in a new hub unit for launch in later 2015 at present.

It just seems a little strange to spend so much time and money to get this working, which it has done as lots & lots of upgrades have had to be done behind the scenes as well as extensive testing and project teams. To also do all the staff training materials and some promo material as well for it to all be delayed again.

Unfortunately I think JonMorris may have a point that its getting bit close to Christmas to launch a new service when prime focus is on sales but wifi calling would be another selling point and at present is unique as no apps are required. It's all rather confusing and strange.

As I have said before the only thing I can see is they are waiting to do an end of year press release which will detail the latest amount of 4G covered areas and has been said on another thread its seems EE have turned on some more rural 4G areas this weekend.

dabotsonline · 08-12-2014, 18:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

I am still trying to find out more about this from my contacts at EE but currently both are as confused as many on here as to why this service has not gone live.

It is in use for a select few large corporate contracts and its not causing any real issues or faults with good feedback to account executives and brand managers.

Could you also please double-check to see whether those corporate customers are all using iPhone 5C+ on iOS 8.1, or whether some are using EE-supplied Android handsets with customised firmwares (presumably not Windows Phone).

DevonBloke · 09-12-2014, 00:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

Another one here that wouldn't have thought 21..

So is Devon the Grandad of this Forum section? Being 16 years, a whole adolescent older than me.

How VERY dare you!!
Granddad?????
My oldest is 11 and my youngest is 7.
If I were a granddad I would be pretty worried!!!! Hahahahahahaha
I might be 46 but I don't look it, even if I do say so myself.
I'm am surprised by your age though. You too post a fair bit older.
This again, is a complement.
Oh and if you have a minute, can you check out my post on the other thread and see what the hell is going on with my local mast??
I'm trying to run a business here goddamit!!!
: )

ozz · 09-12-2014, 19:16

I've been trying out Apples FaceTime Audio calling through Wi-Fi whilst out of network signal and that works very well with superb audio quality. Hope EEs Wi-Fi calling is just as good for calling other networks/landlines.

I'm on T-Mobile SIMO for my main phone, if I receive a FaceTime Audio call whilst on 3G does the data usage come out of my data allowance?

The Lord Lucan · 09-12-2014, 20:31

It's very similar to FaceTime Audio/Voice.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevonBloke

How VERY dare you!!
Granddad?????
My oldest is 11 and my youngest is 7.
If I were a granddad I would be pretty worried!!!! Hahahahahahaha
I might be 46 but I don't look it, even if I do say so myself.
I'm am surprised by your age though. You too post a fair bit older.
This again, is a complement.
Oh and if you have a minute, can you check out my post on the other thread and see what the hell is going on with my local mast??
I'm trying to run a business here goddamit!!!
: )

On it old man

jabbamk1 · 09-12-2014, 21:04

Not sure if people here will be interested but TalkTalk recently launched their "Talk2Go" app which works in the same way as Virgin's Smart Call for home landline customers. It's also similar to Three's inTouch but obviously uses your landline package rather than your mobile package.

EE's wi-fi calling feature will be built into the firmware and won't be an app though. Same sort of premise though where you use Wi-Fi to make calls from your mobile package.

"TalkTalk customers can make and receive calls whilst out and about on 3G or 4G mobile data or over Wi-Fi."

https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...d=com.talktalk

uno · 09-12-2014, 21:52

Dabotsonline- It seems the corporate customers using the service are using a mix of Apple and Android products.

As far as my contact is aware this works on handsets using IOS 8 on the IPhone 5 upwards although they have tested it on a 4S with mixed results.

Android wise is 4.2 onwards

paulker · 09-12-2014, 21:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by uno

Dabotsonline- It seems the corporate customers using the service are using a mix of Apple and Android products.

As far as my contact is aware this works on handsets using IOS 8 on the IPhone 5 upwards although they have tested it on a 4S with mixed results.

Android wise is 4.2 onwards

Does it need to EE branded Android phones?

WelshBluebird · 09-12-2014, 22:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by jabbamk1

EE's wi-fi calling feature will be built into the firmware and won't be an app though

Hmm. I'm hoping "built into the firmware" doesn't mean you'd have to buy your phone from EE and keep the EE firmware on the device.

KesterK · 09-12-2014, 23:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by WelshBluebird

Hmm. I'm hoping "built into the firmware" doesn't mean you'd have to buy your phone from EE and keep the EE firmware on the device.

No it means that the technology is built in to iOS 8 and Android itself, EE will just activate it with a carrier settings update.

DevonBloke · 10-12-2014, 00:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

It's very similar to FaceTime Audio/Voice.

On it old man

Thank you young man!

07-12-2014, 11:20	#276
Gigabit Forum Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 2,887	Quote: Originally Posted by moox I was going by http://help2.talktalk.co.uk/check-yo...dband-password Fair enough but I use TalkTalk so I can confirm that it isn't necessary

07-12-2014, 12:29	#277
de525ma Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Portsmouth Posts: 787	Quote: Originally Posted by jchamier With the Openreach fibre network it depends on the ISP. BT retail and the homehub 5 is a pain as you have to obtain an FTTC modem (ebay!) and then connect any ethernet router, but the username/password are fairly public. Lots of routers with built-in VDSL2 modems are now available, which will work perfectly fine with Openreach FTTC and need no other equipment.

07-12-2014, 12:32	#278
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by de525ma Lots of routers with built-in VDSL2 modems are now available, which will work perfectly fine with Openreach FTTC and need no other equipment. I guess we are still waiting for the certification statements, as who wants to buy a router then find BT change profile to 30a and it stops working ? I remember the old BABT green circle and red triangle

07-12-2014, 12:42	#279
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by jchamier I guess we are still waiting for the certification statements, as who wants to buy a router then find BT change profile to 30a and it stops working ? I remember the old BABT green circle and red triangle IIRC BT does interoperability tests and has specifications somewhere about what a VDSL modem must do to be "certified" for use on their network. I read somewhere that Asus's modem has been problematic in the UK and they've been working with BT to sort it out I doubt the many white Huawei/ECI modems support 30a anyway - and given the glacial progress on vectoring we should probably expect 30a in about 2030

07-12-2014, 13:25	#280
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by moox IIRC BT does interoperability tests and has specifications somewhere about what a VDSL modem must do to be "certified" for use on their network. I read somewhere that Asus's modem has been problematic in the UK and they've been working with BT to sort it out That's the sort of problem I was thinking of - not much fun if you've got a "problem" device, and you don't know, and its affected your DLM Quote: I doubt the many white Huawei/ECI modems support 30a anyway - and given the glacial progress on vectoring we should probably expect 30a in about 2030 I think they do - but the main point (as AAISP director has frequently posted) is that the line interface is managed by openreach. From the cabinet to the ethernet jack is thus a "BT supported" link. Firmware updates centrally managed, etc. Changing the termination point to be the RJ11 jack means there will be a lot more hassles than having a termination point being Ethernet.

08-12-2014, 13:34	#281
ColonelK Forum Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 7	What's everyone's opinions then? Do you think we'll see WiFi calling this year? I realize no one knows for sure, but what do you think? Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I still think we'll see it this year.

08-12-2014, 14:58	#282
Synthetic42 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Newcastle Posts: 1,510	Quote: Originally Posted by ColonelK What's everyone's opinions then? Do you think we'll see WiFi calling this year? I realize no one knows for sure, but what do you think? Maybe I'm being optimistic, but I still think we'll see it this year. Maybe they'll launch it as some kind of Xmas thing

08-12-2014, 15:21	#283
TonyPeake Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 41	I would have thought if they were going to use it as a marketing tool, assuming it's all ready to roll out they would have done it by now. Most companies like this don't roll out updates like this over the holiday period as if it goes wrong there's a reduced number of staff on to try and put it right. So for what it's worth (pure speculation) I don't think we will see it this year. I've become so disillusioned with EE and there attitude towards there customers that I won't be renewing my contract with them again.

08-12-2014, 15:31	#284
Smurf001 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 130	I am wondering whether it is anything to do with BT looking to merge with either EE or O2, perhaps EE are holding back on wifi calling for a reason. If it is all ready to go and in the hands of the marketing department then I think surely we would have heard something by now if it was to be this year, they could at least start releasing details of which phones and who it will be available to, if anything that would get them more sales. I think TonyPeake has made a good point saying it is unlikely to be released around the holiday period if it is the case that there is likely to be a reduced number of staff.

08-12-2014, 16:30	#285
moox Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 14,645	Quote: Originally Posted by Smurf001 I am wondering whether it is anything to do with BT looking to merge with either EE or O2, perhaps EE are holding back on wifi calling for a reason. Can't see why, any merger is still going to be a long way off even if it was announced tomorrow (the UK/EU competition authorities might want a say). It should be business as usual.

08-12-2014, 17:00	#286
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	From a marketing point of view, it might now be too late to launch this year. It's hardly something that ties in well with Christmas, and EE is probably wanting to push a series of other messages right now - and in January with whatever sales/promotions it has lined up. Whether it's ready or not is immaterial. Marketing is always going to be every bit as important as the complicated R&D process, logistics of rolling out, testing etc.

08-12-2014, 17:08	#287
Smurf001 Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 130	Are the other networks working on wifi calling as well? If so, is there a possibility that if EE delay for long enough that one of the other networks might not be far behind? I don't know anything about these things so don't know whether the other networks having wifi calling is an option?

08-12-2014, 17:17	#288
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	O2 and Three might not have the same way of doing things (BTW I just got a new version of inTouch on my phone about 5 minutes ago!) but a lot of people won't know the differences and already assume O2, Three (and now TalkTalk, plus no doubt some others) have already done it. Therefore EE isn't necessarily going to be able to impress a lot of people or convince them that its implementation is better. So, not something I see any need to rush out - especially if there are ANY issues that will just get the network loads of negative publicity.

08-12-2014, 17:38	#289
dabotsonline Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 225	Perhaps EE decided at the last minute to wait for native Android support in a Lollipop OTA early next year? Still, if they end up not launching VoWiFi this year then perhaps, from a marketing perspective, it would be best to wait beyond even January until VoLTE is ready and then launch the two in tandem, particularly so they can demonstrate handoff between them on supported handsets?

08-12-2014, 18:26	#290
uno Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 507	I am still trying to find out more about this from my contacts at EE but currently both are as confused as many on here as to why this service has not gone live. It is in use for a select few large corporate contracts and its not causing any real issues or faults with good feedback to account executives and brand managers. It was stopped from launch by marketing and investor relations I am sure they have got their valid reasons for the delay. I do wonder if its has got something to do with possible BT buyout as know they are launching their own version of wifi calling and using some the 4G frequency they brought in a new hub unit for launch in later 2015 at present. It just seems a little strange to spend so much time and money to get this working, which it has done as lots & lots of upgrades have had to be done behind the scenes as well as extensive testing and project teams. To also do all the staff training materials and some promo material as well for it to all be delayed again. Unfortunately I think JonMorris may have a point that its getting bit close to Christmas to launch a new service when prime focus is on sales but wifi calling would be another selling point and at present is unique as no apps are required. It's all rather confusing and strange. As I have said before the only thing I can see is they are waiting to do an end of year press release which will detail the latest amount of 4G covered areas and has been said on another thread its seems EE have turned on some more rural 4G areas this weekend.

08-12-2014, 18:55	#291
dabotsonline Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 225	Quote: Originally Posted by uno I am still trying to find out more about this from my contacts at EE but currently both are as confused as many on here as to why this service has not gone live. It is in use for a select few large corporate contracts and its not causing any real issues or faults with good feedback to account executives and brand managers. Could you also please double-check to see whether those corporate customers are all using iPhone 5C+ on iOS 8.1, or whether some are using EE-supplied Android handsets with customised firmwares (presumably not Windows Phone).

09-12-2014, 00:53	#292
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan Another one here that wouldn't have thought 21.. So is Devon the Grandad of this Forum section? Being 16 years, a whole adolescent older than me. How VERY dare you!! Granddad????? My oldest is 11 and my youngest is 7. If I were a granddad I would be pretty worried!!!! Hahahahahahaha I might be 46 but I don't look it, even if I do say so myself. I'm am surprised by your age though. You too post a fair bit older. This again, is a complement. Oh and if you have a minute, can you check out my post on the other thread and see what the hell is going on with my local mast?? I'm trying to run a business here goddamit!!! : )

09-12-2014, 19:16	#293
ozz Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Rutland Posts: 564	I've been trying out Apples FaceTime Audio calling through Wi-Fi whilst out of network signal and that works very well with superb audio quality. Hope EEs Wi-Fi calling is just as good for calling other networks/landlines. I'm on T-Mobile SIMO for my main phone, if I receive a FaceTime Audio call whilst on 3G does the data usage come out of my data allowance?

09-12-2014, 20:31	#294
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	It's very similar to FaceTime Audio/Voice. Quote: Originally Posted by DevonBloke How VERY dare you!! Granddad????? My oldest is 11 and my youngest is 7. If I were a granddad I would be pretty worried!!!! Hahahahahahaha I might be 46 but I don't look it, even if I do say so myself. I'm am surprised by your age though. You too post a fair bit older. This again, is a complement. Oh and if you have a minute, can you check out my post on the other thread and see what the hell is going on with my local mast?? I'm trying to run a business here goddamit!!! : ) On it old man

09-12-2014, 21:04	#295
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Not sure if people here will be interested but TalkTalk recently launched their "Talk2Go" app which works in the same way as Virgin's Smart Call for home landline customers. It's also similar to Three's inTouch but obviously uses your landline package rather than your mobile package. EE's wi-fi calling feature will be built into the firmware and won't be an app though. Same sort of premise though where you use Wi-Fi to make calls from your mobile package. "TalkTalk customers can make and receive calls whilst out and about on 3G or 4G mobile data or over Wi-Fi." https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...d=com.talktalk

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09-12-2014, 21:52	#296
uno Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Leicestershire Posts: 507	Dabotsonline- It seems the corporate customers using the service are using a mix of Apple and Android products. As far as my contact is aware this works on handsets using IOS 8 on the IPhone 5 upwards although they have tested it on a 4S with mixed results. Android wise is 4.2 onwards

09-12-2014, 21:59	#297
paulker Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 901	Quote: Originally Posted by uno Dabotsonline- It seems the corporate customers using the service are using a mix of Apple and Android products. As far as my contact is aware this works on handsets using IOS 8 on the IPhone 5 upwards although they have tested it on a 4S with mixed results. Android wise is 4.2 onwards Does it need to EE branded Android phones?

09-12-2014, 22:43	#298
WelshBluebird Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 720	Quote: Originally Posted by jabbamk1 EE's wi-fi calling feature will be built into the firmware and won't be an app though Hmm. I'm hoping "built into the firmware" doesn't mean you'd have to buy your phone from EE and keep the EE firmware on the device.

09-12-2014, 23:32	#299
KesterK Forum Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Wakefield, West Yorkshire Posts: 2,618	Quote: Originally Posted by WelshBluebird Hmm. I'm hoping "built into the firmware" doesn't mean you'd have to buy your phone from EE and keep the EE firmware on the device. No it means that the technology is built in to iOS 8 and Android itself, EE will just activate it with a carrier settings update.

10-12-2014, 00:18	#300
DevonBloke Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Totnes, Devon Posts: 6,694	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan It's very similar to FaceTime Audio/Voice. On it old man Thank you young man!