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Old 04-10-2014, 15:09
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I haven't been on here much but I've been catching up on various threads.

How, when and why did it become a Sharon fans vs Shirley fans thing? fans of both characters seem to detest the other and its leading to some pretty rough debates that are edging on the personal.

Cant be the only one who has noticed this?
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:16
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no your not the only one it bloody annoying and there is a site on twitter called
Shirley haters and she/he hates Shirley and praises Sharon
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:19
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You're not the only one. It's got pretty nasty over the last week or so.
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:19
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no your not the only one it bloody annoying and there is a site on twitter called
Shirley haters and she/he hates Shirley and praises Sharon
There's a rather intense Shirley fan on Twitter who does the same. It's pretty daft either way.
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:25
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There's a rather intense Shirley fan on Twitter who does the same. It's pretty daft either way.
yeah your right there its stupid really
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:28
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I mentioned the Shirley vs Sharon fan war before and got quite a few not very nice comments for mentioning it. But I have noticed this and wish it would end. I prefer Shirley to Sharon but I have no problem with Sharon or Sharon fans. And yes a lot of the comments become personal, I don't understand it. It actually puts me off posting...although I still do.
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:28
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Do you mean on here OP or social media generally? I haven't noticed it becoming personal among posters on here at all but then that wouldn't be allowed on DS. I understand things are more lax on twitter and personal insults are part of life on there.
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:33
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Do you mean on here OP or social media generally? I haven't noticed it becoming personal among posters on here at all but then that wouldn't be allowed on DS. I understand things are more lax on twitter and personal insults are part of life on there.
A lot of replies have become personal, well I have noticed. The threads get overally heated and it seems that posters find any excuse to have a go at either character, sometimes for the most trivial of things. And then there are others who can only view one side and comment as though the opinions of others are wrong. I've said numerous times that I don't understand why we can't enjoy both characters without having this fan war thing that is going on. Why are we even comparing Sharon and Shirley?
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:37
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A lot of replies have become personal, well I have noticed. The threads get overally heated and it seems that posters find any excuse to have a go at either character, sometimes for the most trivial of things. And then there are others who can only view one side and comment as though the opinions of others are wrong. I've said numerous times that I don't understand why we can't enjoy both characters without having this fan war thing that is going on. Why are we even comparing Sharon and Shirley?
Right but I'm not sure what you're talking about is wrong on a soap forum. Posters can say what they want about characters and are entitled to loathe or love and react in any way they wish. I thought the OP suggested this was spilling over into personal slanging matches and I haven't seen that on here. Saying an argument or view point is wrong isn't personal that is what we're here for surely.
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:38
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:39
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Phil Mitchell is to blame for the Sharon and Shirley wars
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:39
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Right but I'm not sure what you're suggesting is wrong on a sap forum. Posters can say what they want about characters and are entitled to loathe or love and react in any way they wish. I thought the OP suggested this was spilling over into personal slanging matches and I haven't seen that on here. Saying an argument or view point is wrong isn't personal that is what we're here for surely.
No of course not, I think its more the manner in which people disagree and reply. If I disagree, I just say I disagree and explain why but numerous times posters have been quite abrupt with me and also told me my opinion is basically invalid. Of course everyone is entitled to love or loathe a character as much as they want.(though you have to admit some can go a little bit far with it.) Sharon and Shirley just seems to be ongoing and Phil is quite possibly the reason why. Bloody Phil.
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:41
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It gets a bit tedious, but most posters have been civilised.

I think you all must have missed the Amira v Chryed threads and the Kat v Ronnie threads during the baby swap....now they got heated.
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:42
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It gets a bit tedious, but most posters have been civilised.

I think you all must have missed the Amira v Chryed threads and the Kat v Ronnie threads during the baby swap....now they got heated.
I wasn't on here for them, what happened?
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:46
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I wasn't on here for them, what happened?
Lets just say they regularly got shut down only for another two to pop up in their place. Christian and Ronnie of course were the devils in those stories.
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:49
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I don't really take sides, I love and adore both characters, Shirley doesn't receive as much hate, but I hate it when people are horrible about the characters! Some of the comments towards Sharon are a joke, people should be completely and utterly embarrassed and ashamed of themselves, by what they say sometimes!
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:51
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No of course not, I think its more the manner in which people disagree and reply. If I disagree, I just say I disagree and explain why but numerous times posters have been quite abrupt with me and also told me my opinion is basically invalid. Of course everyone is entitled to love or loathe a character as much as they want.(though you have to admit some can go a little bit far with it.) Sharon and Shirley just seems to be ongoing and Phil is quite possibly the reason why. Bloody Phil.
Fair enough but posters have very differing styles and being dismissive isn't on a par with slating someone personally IMO. I loathe Shirley as you may know but no one has been personal or rude to me and I'm sure I haven't been to anyone else and you can only really go on what you have personally experienced I suppose.
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Old 04-10-2014, 15:53
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It's not really a new thing - it has just intensified over the last week or so because the show itself have brought it to boiling point with the wedding and shooting.

When I first joined DS about 5 years ago you used to get 'who is the love of Phil's life' threads and some posters who'd never even seen him with sharon first time round or come to that Kathy would get very offended and defensive if somebody that had voiced the opinion that they were both more important to Phil than Shirley. Then when it was announced that Letitia Dean was returning about 2 and a half years ago some (not I hasten to add all) shirley fans immediately went on the attack saying that Shirley would be sacrificed just to make room for her, it wasn't fair etc, etc and it wasn't fair as she is a crap character. Sharon fans them immediately started biting back and to be fair, there probably were some that were crowing about her return meaning the end of 'Queen Shirley'.

I realise I probably come across as more Team Sharon than Shirley but i'm actually not. I think shirley is a horrible human being but sharon isn't always that great either and they are both interesting characters. But I guess I just tended to go to sharon's defence because I didn't like people that admitted to not having watched before the last 10 years judging her and not taking account of the full history. Also I think the way it has been written Shirley has been nasty to Sharon from day 1 with no provocation which I find unfair and will say so.

It does seem like you can't have a balanced view and just say it as you see it on an episode by episode basis (fir instance the first thing I said on Thursday was that Sharon was horrible to Shirley) - if you voice any view in support or defence or either character you are 'Team' whichever and pigeonholed for eternity.

This attitude is on the increase with several characters as well though - it seems that some fans feel it is an intrinsic test of their loyalty to defend their favourite character no matter what their actions and hate any character (and their fans) that go up against them. It seemed to be like that with Tanya as well (kirsty was the devil incarnate from her first appearance) and to a certain extent Ronnie and Alfie too. Corrie isn't immune either - team Carla and Team Leanne can get pretty nasty.
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Old 04-10-2014, 16:16
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There's a rather intense Shirley fan on Twitter who does the same. It's pretty daft either way.
If it's who I think it is, She can be very intense but she never once strayed from her views, she is one dedicated Shirley fan, probably the biggest
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Old 04-10-2014, 16:17
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A lot of replies have become personal, well I have noticed. The threads get overally heated and it seems that posters find any excuse to have a go at either character, sometimes for the most trivial of things. And then there are others who can only view one side and comment as though the opinions of others are wrong. I've said numerous times that I don't understand why we can't enjoy both characters without having this fan war thing that is going on. Why are we even comparing Sharon and Shirley?
But that isn't personal about oosters surely + unless somebody considers an attack on their favourite character to be an attack on them for liking that character which I know some posters unfortunately do. That or they think the other poster is deliberately trying to provoke a reaction (wind them up) by saying something insulting about their favourite character for no reason except to upset them.

It is something i'm conscious of with certain posters and try to tread gently as I have no wish to upset anybody but that said, I know that is not what I am doing and don't see why I should have to censor my voiced opinion about a fictional character or storyline because another poster is overly emotionally invested in them.

Provided I don't insult the character's (and actors) personal appearance or suggest the poster is stupid or wrong for liking them when I don't of course and that isn't something I would ever do because i'm not nasty like that. If I did I would expect to be reported and banned.
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Old 04-10-2014, 16:29
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I have a feeling that it could get heated on here for a whole new reason next week....Linda/Dean. It's clear cut who's going to be in the wrong, but it's going to be hard to say anything vaguely nice about the lad without being attacked. It's so much easier when they make their villains out and out nasty.....Alfie, Shirley and now Dean just don't fit that mould. I swear TPTB love giving us very mixed feelings about characters.
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Old 04-10-2014, 16:51
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I have a feeling that it could get heated on here for a whole new reason next week....Linda/Dean. It's clear cut who's going to be in the wrong, but it's going to be hard to say anything vaguely nice about the lad without being attacked. It's so much easier when they make their villains out and out nasty.....Alfie, Shirley and now Dean just don't fit that mould. I swear TPTB love giving us very mixed feelings about characters.
Yes I think you're right. There was thread last night asking why they are making Dean sympathetic right before this storyline and I and a few others were saying 'because life isn't as clear cut as every man that commits that heinous act is evil through and through", "th show what emotional distress he is in before it happens' and similar but even then I was very worried that I would be accused of excusing or worse condoning rape by feeling some understanding or sympathy towards the emotional and mental workings of the attacker.

EE has always had conflicted villains I think - maybe I'm in the minority but I felt some sympathy and understanding towards Archie - he was no doubt evil and manipulative but what made him that way? Answer in a main part was probably his father who we know was violent. People are not black and white in real life, they shouldn't be in Soap - it is more realistic and much more interesting like that.
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Old 04-10-2014, 17:08
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Yes I think you're right. There was thread last night asking why they are making Dean sympathetic right before this storyline and I and a few others were saying 'because life isn't as clear cut as every man that commits that heinous act is evil through and through", "th show what emotional distress he is in before it happens' and similar but even then I was very worried that I would be accused of excusing or worse condoning rape by feeling some understanding or sympathy towards the emotional and mental workings of the attacker.

EE has always had conflicted villains I think - maybe I'm in the minority but I felt some sympathy and understanding towards Archie - he was no doubt evil and manipulative but what made him that way? Answer in a main part was probably his father who we know was violent. People are not black and white in real life, they shouldn't be in Soap - it is more realistic and much more interesting like that.
It's a bit of a minefield isn't it.

You're right of course, they have done it before. I was thinking more of Wilmott-Brown, Trevor and Graham. It was easy to just loath them and not give a toss about what made them tick.
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Old 04-10-2014, 17:25
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As a fan of Sharon I'm sick and tired of her being put with Shirley and Phil. Why does she have to be saddled with these two? Shirley has been a cow to Sharon since before she came back and didn't even know her. It's no good saying oh well Sharon has been nasty and called Shirley a whore etc. She's only said these things because Shirley goads her 24/7.

I really hate the way this back story is being developed around Shirley. Just to excuse the fact that she's vile and nasty to everyone. She had a poor upbringing, and suffered so it's alright that she goes around being vile. She'll be sprouting wings next, and a halo will pop up over her head.

Sharon's not perfect, and she's suffered a lot due to bad writing. Yes i can see her faults, and she's a bit of a snob and does need taking down a peg or two.And yes she is a bit of a doormat staying with Phil. But she doesn't irritate me like Shirley does.

And Phil's irritating me as well. I would love to give him a good kick in the balls.
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Old 04-10-2014, 17:30
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What annoys me the most is when the actresses themselves are attacked, neither of them deserve it as they both play their roles so well.

I hate Shirley for instance, but I do love Linda Henry. When she was in Bad Girls I always thought she would be brilliant as the love interest for Phil but I think the writing and characterisation for her character were a little off, it was hard to like her after the whole a Heather business.

I think DTC has had to turn the character into someone who needs redemption. With Phil covering up Heathers murder they needed to find a way to balance things out. Shirley shooting Phil has put them on the same level. Shirley knew that Phil covered up for Ben and didn't say anything. Phil knows that Shirley shot him, but won't say anything. They are even, but know there is an even bigger wedge between them.

So I think this will enable Shirley to rise like a Phoenix, I think it is an ideal opportunity for them to change Shirley into a more sympathetic character while keeping her steel edge.

I digress.....

I am not going to attack someone for liking Shirley because I like Sharon more. It's like attacking someone for liking brown bread when you prefer white. Everyone has different tastes after all.
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