Poor Aliona, he's a tosser. No gent - let her walk downstairs alone, while he gooned his way down. Shook her hand at the end too (no kiss) ouch! As I said -no gent.
Balls! Aliona gone
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I felt sorry for Aliona and am going to miss her as shes a hottie, she has been paired with a few duffers now but so have some of the other pros and to be fair they seem to have done a better job in bringing their partners along, i dont know if its something to do with the fact that if Aliona is paired with someone she dosent think can go far she lacks some enthusiasm, she certainly didnt appear to enjoy Greg and that came over from day one to me.
Originally Posted by fayebeatle:
“Poor Aliona, he's a tosser. No gent - let her walk downstairs alone, while he gooned his way down. Shook her hand at the end too (no kiss) ouch! As I said -no gent.”
“Poor Aliona, he's a tosser. No gent - let her walk downstairs alone, while he gooned his way down. Shook her hand at the end too (no kiss) ouch! As I said -no gent.”
I dont really think she would want a kiss tbh
and i think Greg was well aware of that, anyway what kind of bloke would pass up the oppertunity of giving Aliona a kiss?
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Natalie has had 3 less than able celebs on the trot - Audley, Michael and now Tim and it could be said hauled them further than thought possible.”
“Natalie has had 3 less than able celebs on the trot - Audley, Michael and now Tim and it could be said hauled them further than thought possible.”
How would Tim have faired if he had had to do a second Latin dance this week. . Ditto Scott and probably Jennifer too.
Originally Posted by sueh21:
“It is her own fault, she doesn't give the impression she wants to be there. All of the other pros are interacting on Twitter,posting pics from training, meeting up. She could have tried harder with Gregg. You would think she would want to show what she could do with a complete beginner. Who really knows how the celebs are going to turn out before the series starts. No one would have thought Chris Hollins would win. You might of bet on Thom being a winner before the series started, doesn't look likely at the moment. Still, easy money if you get knocked out first.”
“It is her own fault, she doesn't give the impression she wants to be there. All of the other pros are interacting on Twitter,posting pics from training, meeting up. She could have tried harder with Gregg. You would think she would want to show what she could do with a complete beginner. Who really knows how the celebs are going to turn out before the series starts. No one would have thought Chris Hollins would win. You might of bet on Thom being a winner before the series started, doesn't look likely at the moment. Still, easy money if you get knocked out first.”
She interacted quite a lot on twitter with Tony Jacklin last year, a few of us joked how entertaining her tweets were. I'm sorry but there's just something unlikeable about Gregg and she and the production team are the only ones who know what went on behind the scenes. I don't think Aliona can be held responsible for Gregg's lack of popularity and his nerves.
I hope if she's back next year she's at least given a half decent celeb with some popularity.
Originally Posted by Fuchsia Groan:
“It's the public that have failed to vote for her, not the show's producers. She's also won the show and come second. I think she's had a fair crack of the whip.
”
“It's the public that have failed to vote for her, not the show's producers. She's also won the show and come second. I think she's had a fair crack of the whip.
”
That's true.
Judy, Tim and Scott all worse than Greg but the public didn't vote for Greg and Aliona, so this is the outcome.
Shame really, she is a talented dancer.
Originally Posted by Fuchsia Groan:
“Who was to say which out of Dave & Mark would be the duffest duffer, though? Or any of the other duffers who fetch up from year to year?
OK, in the case of Dave & Mark, if you had to do so in advance, you'd pick Mark as the better of the two because of his performance skills. But who, for instance, would you have chosen as duffer in chief in John Sergeant's year? Quite possibly John himself.
My point is that the perceived dufferness of individual celebs means nothing until their pros get to deal with them and, of course, how the celebs are able to project themselves to the viewers.
I have absolutely no axe to grind with Aliona, but do not feel that she's been dealt with any less fairly than any other pro.
I do think, however, that she's not as good at being an SCD pro as some of her peers.”
“Who was to say which out of Dave & Mark would be the duffest duffer, though? Or any of the other duffers who fetch up from year to year?
OK, in the case of Dave & Mark, if you had to do so in advance, you'd pick Mark as the better of the two because of his performance skills. But who, for instance, would you have chosen as duffer in chief in John Sergeant's year? Quite possibly John himself.
My point is that the perceived dufferness of individual celebs means nothing until their pros get to deal with them and, of course, how the celebs are able to project themselves to the viewers.
I have absolutely no axe to grind with Aliona, but do not feel that she's been dealt with any less fairly than any other pro.
I do think, however, that she's not as good at being an SCD pro as some of her peers.”
Dave because Mark could dance. He wasn't the best, he had major limitations but the only comparisons I see between them is they're both fat and both funny. To me, the duffer is always the one who we know has little to no dancing ability but camps it up with performance and stunts. Dave was entertainingly bad and he left just as the joke was wearing thin so it was the right time.
Tony was not a duffer but he was always likely to be the first to go last year and it was the same case with Johnny. Tony is a golfer which has no relation to dancing and is a sport with a very select fan base, usually, although not always, older. What's more he is a retired golfer so not even in the public eye in his chosen field for a long time, older (how many over 55's have we seen get to the latter stages of the show) and was never going to be the joker of the pack like Dave. He was a sitting duck, sadly, because I liked Tony and would have liked to have seen him go further.
Gregg was actually someone I thought might go further but Aliona was given a very divisive character due to the recent revelations regarding his personal life and the mere fact that he is a marmite personality. As soon as they were in the dance-off, I thought that would be it no matter what they did. I also thought that although Jennifer shouldn't have been there, Gregg should have survived as he at least attempted to correct the areas where the judges stated he went wrong even though his dance still wasn't great. Jennifer made exactly the same mistakes she made first time around.
As I said in another thread:
To go out in the first round once is unfortunate.
To go out in the first round twice is suspicious.
To go out in the first round three times is a vendetta.
Originally Posted by Vientre:
“I dont really think she would want a kiss tbh and i think Greg was well aware of that, anyway what kind of bloke would pass up the oppertunity of giving Aliona a kiss?”
“I dont really think she would want a kiss tbh
and i think Greg was well aware of that, anyway what kind of bloke would pass up the oppertunity of giving Aliona a kiss?”
Not being a bloke myself I understand your point, she's a sweetie.
Originally Posted by Cherrybomber:
“That's true.
Judy, Tim and Scott all worse than Greg but the public didn't vote for Greg and Aliona, so this is the outcome.
Shame really, she is a talented dancer.”
“That's true.
Judy, Tim and Scott all worse than Greg but the public didn't vote for Greg and Aliona, so this is the outcome.
Shame really, she is a talented dancer.”
I think all three are more likeable than Greg I am afraid. There were negative stories about him before he started on Strictly and the neg VT they ran did not help his cause. It did not exactly endear him with the public. He was a lost cause I am afraid as far as the public were concerned. However if he had had a ballroom without all the slapstick nonsense two weeks running he may have had a better chance. Also had Tim and Scott had another Latin dance to do they could have been in trouble.
Scott had a stompy tango with half mast trousers to the Spice Girls.
I don't think he benefited overmuch from having a ballroom instead of a Charleston, somehow.
I don't think he benefited overmuch from having a ballroom instead of a Charleston, somehow.
Tim was better than Gregg this week but he will struggle during the Latin dances. Ballroom suits him as he is very refined and Natalie, being an excellent choreographer, is playing on this.
Judy and Scott were the worst two though. Scott was admittedly hampered by the song choice but Joanne really needs to sort out his posture because his shoulders are hunched forward and he pretty much slouched through the entire dance.
Judy just didn't dance.
As stated very eloquently by poshtamfan, likeability is very important and Aliona drew the short straw this year. Gregg is this year's Julien Macdonald.
Judy and Scott were the worst two though. Scott was admittedly hampered by the song choice but Joanne really needs to sort out his posture because his shoulders are hunched forward and he pretty much slouched through the entire dance.
Judy just didn't dance.
As stated very eloquently by poshtamfan, likeability is very important and Aliona drew the short straw this year. Gregg is this year's Julien Macdonald.
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Natalie has had 3 less than able celebs on the trot - Audley, Michael and now Tim and it could be said hauled them further than thought possible.”
“Natalie has had 3 less than able celebs on the trot - Audley, Michael and now Tim and it could be said hauled them further than thought possible.”
Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“Also the clue is in the title. If you can't dance you are most likely to go sooner than later unless you are a comedy act that appeals to the public. Not everyone can be taught to dance.”
“Also the clue is in the title. If you can't dance you are most likely to go sooner than later unless you are a comedy act that appeals to the public. Not everyone can be taught to dance.”
Have a look at what aggs has to say - she seems to be singing from a similar songsheet to me.
It's not necessarily teaching one to dance with more aptitude than another, it's about choices, and presentation. Some pros are skilled at making the best of a bad job. I don't believe that Aliona is one of them.
Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“I think all three are more likeable than Greg I am afraid. .”
“I think all three are more likeable than Greg I am afraid. .”
Well they may be, but I was referring to their dancing,
Originally Posted by Illuvatar:
“Dave because Mark could dance. He wasn't the best, he had major limitations but the only comparisons I see between them is they're both fat and both funny. To me, the duffer is always the one who we know has little to no dancing ability but camps it up with performance and stunts. Dave was entertainingly bad and he left just as the joke was wearing thin so it was the right time.
Tony was not a duffer but he was always likely to be the first to go last year and it was the same case with Johnny. Tony is a golfer which has no relation to dancing and is a sport with a very select fan base, usually, although not always, older. What's more he is a retired golfer so not even in the public eye in his chosen field for a long time, older (how many over 55's have we seen get to the latter stages of the show) and was never going to be the joker of the pack like Dave. He was a sitting duck, sadly, because I liked Tony and would have liked to have seen him go further.
Gregg was actually someone I thought might go further but Aliona was given a very divisive character due to the recent revelations regarding his personal life and the mere fact that he is a marmite personality. As soon as they were in the dance-off, I thought that would be it no matter what they did. I also thought that although Jennifer shouldn't have been there, Gregg should have survived as he at least attempted to correct the areas where the judges stated he went wrong even though his dance still wasn't great. Jennifer made exactly the same mistakes she made first time around.
As I said in another thread:
To go out in the first round once is unfortunate.
To go out in the first round twice is suspicious.
To go out in the first round three times is a vendetta.”
“Dave because Mark could dance. He wasn't the best, he had major limitations but the only comparisons I see between them is they're both fat and both funny. To me, the duffer is always the one who we know has little to no dancing ability but camps it up with performance and stunts. Dave was entertainingly bad and he left just as the joke was wearing thin so it was the right time.
Tony was not a duffer but he was always likely to be the first to go last year and it was the same case with Johnny. Tony is a golfer which has no relation to dancing and is a sport with a very select fan base, usually, although not always, older. What's more he is a retired golfer so not even in the public eye in his chosen field for a long time, older (how many over 55's have we seen get to the latter stages of the show) and was never going to be the joker of the pack like Dave. He was a sitting duck, sadly, because I liked Tony and would have liked to have seen him go further.
Gregg was actually someone I thought might go further but Aliona was given a very divisive character due to the recent revelations regarding his personal life and the mere fact that he is a marmite personality. As soon as they were in the dance-off, I thought that would be it no matter what they did. I also thought that although Jennifer shouldn't have been there, Gregg should have survived as he at least attempted to correct the areas where the judges stated he went wrong even though his dance still wasn't great. Jennifer made exactly the same mistakes she made first time around.
As I said in another thread:
To go out in the first round once is unfortunate.
To go out in the first round twice is suspicious.
To go out in the first round three times is a vendetta.”
Methinks thou doth protest too much.
Sorry - we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't mind Aliona one little bit, and if I thought she had been badly done by I'd say so. I just dont think she can cut the mustard when it comes down to dealing with a less able celeb. I do appreciate that you feel differently, however.
Originally Posted by aggs:
“It could be said Aliona has the last laugh. She gets the same fee as the other dancers ...”
“It could be said Aliona has the last laugh. She gets the same fee as the other dancers ...
”
Do they all get the same fee for the duration regardless of when they leave?
Originally Posted by aggs:
“It could be said Aliona has the last laugh. She gets the same fee as the other dancers ...”
“It could be said Aliona has the last laugh. She gets the same fee as the other dancers ...
”
She'd probably much rather be dancing with her fizzog appearing in the media on a regular basis. The lass has her career to think about.
It's hard to think of three less able celebs than the last three she has been given. They were always destined to be first round fodder. I think she really wanted Simon - a combination that would have gone far in SD 2014.
Aliona is always excellent in the pro dancing routines but it must be a bit of a downer to know that the powers that be only grudgingly allow her to participate. Still, a cheque is a cheque I guess.
Aliona is always excellent in the pro dancing routines but it must be a bit of a downer to know that the powers that be only grudgingly allow her to participate. Still, a cheque is a cheque I guess.
Originally Posted by petertard:
“She's been out first twice now. Since she won, they deliberately give her total duds.”
“She's been out first twice now. Since she won, they deliberately give her total duds.”
Brendan won season 1- got Sarah Manners- finished 6th (out of 10) and Fiona Phillips (9/12)
Darren won season 2- got Gloria Hunniford (10/12)
Lilia, after 1st and runner up in 3/4, got creepy Dom Littlewood (10/14) Don Warrington (12/16) and Richard Dunwoody (15/16, but effectively first out because the male celbs didn't dance week 1)
Karen won season 4, got Brian Capron (14/14) and Gary Rhodes (14/16 but really should have been 16/16)
Matthew won season 5, and 5th, then finished 16/16 with Martina Hingis
Camilla won season 6- retired.
Ola won season 7- got Paul Daniels (13/14)
Artem won season 8/ finished 4th, got Fern Britain (10/15)
Aliona won season 9- didn't dance season 10 got Tony Jacklin (15/15) and Gregg Wallace (15/15)
Flavia won season 10, retired
Aljaz won season 11, got Alison Hammond (let's be honest here...)
Aliona is not alone by any means. Artem is the only one who got away with it, if we're being honest, out of 12 champions. She and her fans really should stop complaining! Look at Brendan and Lilia ffs!
Originally Posted by Fuchsia Groan:
“Have a look at what aggs has to say - she seems to be singing from a similar songsheet to me.
It's not necessarily teaching one to dance with more aptitude than another, it's about choices, and presentation. Some pros are skilled at making the best of a bad job. I don't believe that Aliona is one of them.”
“Have a look at what aggs has to say - she seems to be singing from a similar songsheet to me.
It's not necessarily teaching one to dance with more aptitude than another, it's about choices, and presentation. Some pros are skilled at making the best of a bad job. I don't believe that Aliona is one of them.”
The pros have little or no control on costumes, props choice of music or the order they do the dances so Aliona can't be blamed for any of those. . Brendan hinted he did not approve of a bicycle being used in his routine with Victoria Pendleton. James has also stated they do not have control as far as props are concerned.
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“Johnny Ball, Tony Jacklin and Gregg Wallace were all the bookmaker's favourites to be first out.”
“Johnny Ball, Tony Jacklin and Gregg Wallace were all the bookmaker's favourites to be first out.”
The bookmakers usually get it right.
Originally Posted by Cherrybomber:
“Well they may be, but I was referring to their dancing,”
“Well they may be, but I was referring to their dancing,”
I realised that but at this stage of the competition personality plays a big part. That was the point I was making.
Originally Posted by poshtamfan:
“The pros have little or no control on costumes, props choice of music or the order they do the dances so Aliona can't be blamed for any of those. . Brendan hinted he did not approve of a bicycle being used in his routine with Victoria Pendleton. James has also stated they do not have control as far as props are concerned.”
“The pros have little or no control on costumes, props choice of music or the order they do the dances so Aliona can't be blamed for any of those. . Brendan hinted he did not approve of a bicycle being used in his routine with Victoria Pendleton. James has also stated they do not have control as far as props are concerned.”
I wasn't referring to props or costume or anything quite so obvious. I was meaning choices such as choreography and thus 'presenting' her partner sympathetically. Some pros seem able to make their celebs look good (or at least half decent!), even if they're not.
I thought she did quite well with Tony although he was always going to be the first to go sadly.
She did as much with Gregg as Karen could do with Dave last year but Dave is simply a more likeable guy.
She did as much with Gregg as Karen could do with Dave last year but Dave is simply a more likeable guy.
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