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PasoHardly
05-10-2014
I know this will probably cause an argument, but I'm gonna say it anyway... While I like(d) Scott Mills a lot as a celebrity before the show, I'm beginning to really dislike him now on Strictly. I can't even put my finger on why he's annoying, but he reminds me of Craig Kelly in the like ability stakes. And - while she may be the current ballroom champion - I'm not a fan of Joanne's choreography (granted, the songs haven't helped) in the slightest based on the first 2 dances. I may be alone with my feelings, but Joanne for me is becoming this year's Janette...

Scott is abysmal on that floor and did not deserve anywhere near a 20 for that tango. He danced it WORSE than Julien MacDonald did last year (which is some feat!)
CloneClown
05-10-2014
The problem I have with Scott is how he is a 'Twitter-whore' in that he is ensuring he gets the public vote by constantly tweeting so to ensure his profile remains high and no doubt using his position at the BBC to get as much exposure on shows to promote. If Mark Wright was doing it in the same way as Scott then people would be accusing him of the same thing and in my opinion would be a lot harsher about it.

In regards to Joanne, you really wouldn't believe that she is the World Ballroom Dance & Teacher Champion - think I got that right? She seems to appear to be currently out of her depth and unsure as to what to do/expected of her. I actually think that things aren't going as smooth sailing between her and Scott as they would like us to believe (in terms of their personalities and getting along together). I found their interview this week on BBC Breakfast to be awkward. Both seemed absolutely delighted to have got each other at the launch (understandably) but now maybe both feel let down by the other.
Damahepa
05-10-2014
I do sort of agree about Scott- but then again I was ambivalent about him before I started!

However, Joanne I feel a bit more sorry for. Various reasons.

1) We all wrote Janette off last year, look at her now!
2) Even Natalie, who is now a national treasure, took a long time to settle into her role as a professional on the show. Yes, she had Ricky and Scott, but her choreography was very much about her, and not about her celeb. When she got Audley, she had to show him off, and by then really got into what it means to be a pro (the reason the likes of Anton have lasted so long on the show! They embody the show!) So I think Joanne needs time
3) You can only choreograph for what's in front of you. I thought her Cha Cha routine for Scott was great fun, if executed terribly!
4) Even Vincent and Flavia couldn't have done much of a Tango to "Stop"...
Illuvatar
05-10-2014
Scott's dance was the weakest next to Judy.

He has really bad posture which made the dance look incredibly awkward and Joanne is going to have to work on this. I think it was touched on by one of the judges but he veered in and out of character, looked very aware of the camera and only got into it when it was a close up on him. That and the choice of "Stop" was a howler by the producers.

I'm not sure this is Joanne's fault but she can't let his posture go for future dances.
attackmusic
05-10-2014
Yeah I didn't like it when he was moaning about being bottom of the leaderboard and complaining about his marks. I understand it wouldn't feel good but it just seemed like he thought he deserved more, which beggars belief after that dance

If Joanne comes back next year, I hope she gets someone good like Janette has this year.
PasoHardly
05-10-2014
Originally Posted by Damahepa:
“I do sort of agree about Scott- but then again I was ambivalent about him before I started!

However, Joanne I feel a bit more sorry for. Various reasons.

1) We all wrote Janette off last year, look at her now!
2) Even Natalie, who is now a national treasure, took a long time to settle into her role as a professional on the show. Yes, she had Ricky and Scott, but her choreography was very much about her, and not about her celeb. When she got Audley, she had to show him off, and by then really got into what it means to be a pro (the reason the likes of Anton have lasted so long on the show! They embody the show!) So I think Joanne needs time
3) You can only choreograph for what's in front of you. I thought her Cha Cha routine for Scott was great fun, if executed terribly!
4) Even Vincent and Flavia couldn't have done much of a Tango to "Stop"...”

I don't actually agree about the ability to do a tango to Stop. Yes... It was an AWFUL choice, far too poppy, but it COULD have been stylised in a dramatic way relying on the punchlines of the beat for sticato. However, Joanne choreographed a 'funny' and 'sweet' opening story which then clashed with the 'serious' dancing story. It just made no sense!

Her Cha Cha was weak too. I didn't think there was enough content.

On another note, and I'm wondering if it's an 'English pro' thing - but what's with the Karen Hardy-esque face-pulling?
cezzy
05-10-2014
The music choice was ridiculous & I think Joanne did her best with it. I'd like to see some more choreography before I write her off.

Scott is annoying in a little brother kind of way & a very bad dancer. The celebs can't all be good & I don't mind that if they're. Funny or giving their all. Can't see how Scott is doing either right now?
Monkseal
05-10-2014
Didn't Scott have to be cajoled into doing Strictly at the last minute when Greg James pulled out? Must be pretty miffing to give in like that and find out you're actually the rubbish comedy contestant (which I can't imagine blandwad teen-bait Greg would have been). He seems to veer between not seeming like he wants to be there at all and trying his very hardest. Both of his routines have had loads in them (even if it's mostly ugly and badly done nd misguided) and must have taken a while to learn, especially as he's got no experience of doing choreography. It's not as though he's Judy Murray : lobbing a tennis ball at the camera, having Anton stick his face in her crotch then doing 57 New Yorkers then lobbing the tennis ball at the camera again to finish.
tornado
05-10-2014
My issue is that it comes across like Joanne isn't choreographing for an adult man but for a child. Both the start of the cha cha (with its OTT DJ moves) and the tango with the colour coded bedroom thing were quite cringey and awkward. Scott MIlls is 40 years old so I have no idea why you'd get him to do these childish things. I honestly think that Scott and Joanne have had the worst song draw of anyone without complaint - doing a Cha Cha to Rock DJ followed by a Tango to the Spice Girls is just mean- but I still wouldn't do the light and fluffy stuff. It's a tango, so dance it like that, don't be cutesy.
PasoHardly
05-10-2014
Originally Posted by tornado:
“My issue is that it comes across like Joanne isn't choreographing for an adult man but for a child. Both the start of the cha cha (with its OTT DJ moves) and the tango with the colour coded bedroom thing were quite cringey and awkward. Scott MIlls is 40 years old so I have no idea why you'd get him to do these childish things. I honestly think that Scott and Joanne have had the worst song draw of anyone without complaint - doing a Cha Cha to Rock DJ followed by a Tango to the Spice Girls is just mean- but I still wouldn't do the light and fluffy stuff. It's a tango, so dance it like that, don't be cutesy.”

You've actually nailed it on the head!
21stCenturyBoy
05-10-2014
I feel sorry for him because he clearly can't dance a step and looks like he's slightly uncomfortable with the whole thing.

Joanne has been a massive disappointment so far. The choreography (even for Scott's very limited ability) just isn't working and she gurns like Camilla Dallerup on acid. Not a patch on Anya, so far.

EDIT-

And I'd also refute Greg James being called bland. He's actually got quite a good sense of humour and is easily the most likeable of the daytime DJs. He's a cert for Strictly soon, and I think he'll be a sight better than Scott (if only because he's too tall to go with Joanne)
olivej
05-10-2014
I was soooooooo excited when I heard that Joanne Clifton was joining Strictly but so far I have been majorly disappointed

Appalling song choices for both dances so far and really really bad choreography!
attackmusic
05-10-2014
I feel sorry for him too. I thought his comments after his first dance sounded a bit bitter but in hindsight I think I was being harsh and I think he was just very upset. I don't think he is unaware of his lack of ability and he seems quite insecure. I hope he goes soon for his sake. He was complaining about people on Twitter being nasty to him.
Cranfield
05-10-2014
Its not fair to judge Joanne on the complete inability of Scott Mills to even walk straight, let alone dance.
I doubt any of the other female professionals could have made him look better, he is like a lumbering plank of wood.

She is a World Ballroom Show Dance Champion and you don't win competitions like that if you can't dance and choreograph.
Regarding the choice of music, I thought we had been told ages ago that the dancers have no say in the choice of music they dance to.

Give her a chance.
MACTOWIN
05-10-2014
IMO his ego is off the scale although he is not alone Alison is even worse.
Liza with a Zee
05-10-2014
I find Scott. Dry uncomfortable to watch. He can't perform the dance. I think he'll be next out
PasoHardly
05-10-2014
Originally Posted by Cranfield:
“Its not fair to judge Joanne on the complete inability of Scott Mills to even walk straight, let alone dance.
I doubt any of the other female professionals could have made him look better, he is like a lumbering plank of wood.

She is a World Ballroom Show Dance Champion and you don't win competitions like that if you can't dance and choreograph.
Regarding the choice of music, I thought we had been told ages ago that the dancers have no say in the choice of music they dance to.

Give her a chance.”

You're prob right... Look at how we all judged Janette last year, and look at her now.

BUT, I do believe if we compare pros side by side - at least when it came to the Cha Cha and the Tango for Julien, Janette choreographed a lot of basic steps and both dances 'felt' like they were supposed to. Even with his inability to do the steps, Julien's character for the Tango 'felt' right and you could say 'well, he gave it a go at being butch - and failed'.

Joanne's choreography has presented Scott as a 'hyper brat at his first school disco' for the 'cheeky' cha cha and 'awkward lovesick geek' for the 'dramatic' Tango. It's not his DANCING that has portrayed those characters, it's her CHOICES with the choreography...
bendymixer
05-10-2014
I cant believe that some think he pros have a say with music or theme - as several have confirmed they dont these days (and theme's and music the poorer for it ) do you really think anyone in their right mind would pick that track for a tango or a fifites anthem for Charleston just wish the BBC producers would take a step back and new pros given a chance to settle in - Scott I feel is a hopeless cause
FiercelyHip
06-10-2014
Originally Posted by PasoHardly:
“You're prob right... Look at how we all judged Janette last year, and look at her now.

BUT, I do believe if we compare pros side by side - at least when it came to the Cha Cha and the Tango for Julien, Janette choreographed a lot of basic steps and both dances 'felt' like they were supposed to. Even with his inability to do the steps, Julien's character for the Tango 'felt' right and you could say 'well, he gave it a go at being butch - and failed'.

Joanne's choreography has presented Scott as a 'hyper brat at his first school disco' for the 'cheeky' cha cha and 'awkward lovesick geek' for the 'dramatic' Tango. It's not his DANCING that has portrayed those characters, it's her CHOICES with the choreography...”

Thing is, I saw quite a bit of tango content in that dance, but it just didn't match the theme because it was far too preppy, geek at a prom. Can't really blame Jo for working to producer wants and needs. I don't think she's doing half as bad as its being made out atm. Every pro, female pros in particular, have had to bed in. I'd give her a chance.

As for Scott I've never really taken to him, but I find him surprisingly earnest in amongst it all.
Paace
06-10-2014
Originally Posted by Cranfield:
“Its not fair to judge Joanne on the complete inability of Scott Mills to even walk straight, let alone dance.
I doubt any of the other female professionals could have made him look better, he is like a lumbering plank of wood.

She is a World Ballroom Show Dance Champion and you don't win competitions like that if you can't dance and choreograph.
Regarding the choice of music, I thought we had been told ages ago that the dancers have no say in the choice of music they dance to.

Give her a chance.”

Absolutely . I can't believe how harsh some on here are towards Joanne . Lets face it some people like Quentin, Diarmuid, Fiona, Nancy etc will never become dancers, no matter who is teaching them . I'm afraid Scott and Judy come into the same category .

I think Joanne is a great addition to SCD . Lovely, bubbly personality, great dancer and I bet with a contender will put some great dances together . Let's give the girl a chance .
firefly_irl
06-10-2014
Aren't there 101 different types of World Champion you can be in Dance Sport though, also is her title from the International Olympic Committee affiliated body or that other rival body?

By the looks of a quick Google the international regulation of Dance Sport is all over the place for a discipline that wants to be considered a sport.

I don't have a major issue with Joanne though, just wondering what the story is with her title.

But I kinda feel the same about Scott, he rubs me up the wrong way on this, its early days though but I feel he'll be one of those celebs I liked more before seeing him on a reality show.
aimeeaimee1000
06-10-2014
Disappointed and not impressed with her or her brother, hope I don't upset his fans but find K from Grimsby far to full of himself glad I have got that off my chest.
Stupid_Head
06-10-2014
Kinda O/T but what is up with his pouting? Is it a nerves thing or does he think it's attractive or what?
mossy2103
06-10-2014
Originally Posted by PasoHardly:
“Her Cha Cha was weak too. I didn't think there was enough content.”

Scott was struggling with the content that he had, never mind giving him more. She's probably being realistic in what she reckons he can cope with.
leahyie
06-10-2014
Originally Posted by firefly_irl:
“Aren't there 101 different types of World Champion you can be in Dance Sport though, also is her title from the International Olympic Committee affiliated body or that other rival body?

By the looks of a quick Google the international regulation of Dance Sport is all over the place for a discipline that wants to be considered a sport.

I don't have a major issue with Joanne though, just wondering what the story is with her title.

But I kinda feel the same about Scott, he rubs me up the wrong way on this, its early days though but I feel he'll be one of those celebs I liked more before seeing him on a reality show.”

Being able to call herself a world champion is a pretty big achievement no matter what federation or who else was competing. I don't think any one can question how talented Joanne is as a ballroom dancer based on what she has achieved.

While I wasn't overly impressed with her cha cha choreography, it has to be taken into consideration Scott's lack of skills as a dancer and the feeling you get he really does not want to be there. I thought her tango choreography was alot better considering the terrible song and theme, which I would bet was not her idea.

I would give her another year and a partner who can dance before everyone rushes to judgement.
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