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You're right nobody forces them to audition, but I don't agree that it's real-life. In real life people don't needlessly humiliate and be cruel to one another (well not in my World Thank God
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The thing with TXF is the whole premise of the audition rounds is to openly laugh at people, and some of them seem quite vulnerable and clueless. Yes they SHOULD know better, but it often feels as if they are just really naive. I don't watch it as I find it cruel, but millions love it, each to their own. As you said ALL RTV is manipulation.
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On a different note, there is no announcement of a quick commission of Our Zoo. 1 week since it finished.
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Every one of us has it in us to be cruel: when you criticize someone on TV for their looks, dress sense, singing, etc, We are all guilty of this. The only difference is, TXF is on TV.
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It depends how well its is written. The Scandi dramas have no problem with storys told over 10 episode and Broadchurch did it successfully. I have just been reading about it and it sounds really interesting especially as it seems to be largely set in France with a French detective.
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I'm interested you say that - why? If, say, they gave ITV one series of House of Cards every September starting next year, viewers could be reeled in to subscribing to Netflix by the prospect of being able to jump ahead and binge on the next series having become hooked. Was just an idea but I can't see why it wouldn't work..
The first is essentially the same reason I don't imagine that Sky will license second run rights to Atlantic's upcoming drama Fortitude to anyone. The basic pitch for Netflix is that the only place to see its original content is Netflix (which is the same basic pitch Sky have particularly in regards to Atlantic) so it makes little sense to start offering up that original content to other outlets. Its absolutely right to say that potentially there's an upswing in subscribers as a result but its also entirely possible that it drives down subscriptions because if I know I can see this content elsewhere for free (even if its delayed) I have much less desire to subscribe to Netflix. Its much easier for them to just keep this content exclusive to them. I'm also not sure that it would be ITV's best interest to effectively pay to air an ad for Netflix which ultimately is what they'd be doing if they were to somehow license second run rights for House of Cards. They already have enough issues with audience fragmentation without potentially helping that process along. Less crucially though I don't think Netflix would be comfortable with the idea of there being a public measurement of how popular their shows are particularly not when it would be a single isolated point of data on ITV on a Tuesday night. Netflix has steadfastly refused to release any kind of public data on how many people are actually watching their original content or indeed the second run content they buy in. From all reports they aren't even telling the production companies and producers who are providing the content what the viewership level for these shows are. The head of Lionsgate TV who make Orange is the New Black recently said that he had absolutely no idea how many people watch the show because Netflix don't tell them. With that in mind I think its potentially a PR catastrophe for Netflix if they sell some of these original shows to ITV or other broadcasters and almost nobody watches them. Quote:
Is that not real-life? Real life is not a ball of cotton wool. If you want a successful singer at the end of the show, your going to have to be cruel to be kind as they say. Nobody forces them to audition.
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Every one of us has it in us to be cruel: when you criticize someone on TV for their looks, dress sense, singing, etc, We are all guilty of this. The only difference is, TXF is on TV.
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Is that not real-life? Real life is not a ball of cotton wool. If you want a successful singer at the end of the show, your going to have to be cruel to be kind as they say. Nobody forces them to audition.
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On a different note, there is no announcement of a quick commission of Our Zoo. 1 week since it finished.
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No. The difference is that when you reach adulthood and a certain level of maturity not everybody mocks the vulnerable. And it is obvious when somebody is vulnerable. You can't always defend somebody for being a tosser when mocking somebody vulnerable. You have to call them out on it.
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I am sure he speaks highly of you too !!
![]() Almost nothing is as popular as it once was these days. The Apprentice still has life in it but we need a new face rather than Al Sugar, as much as I detest Branson I'd like to see him replace the barrowboy. |
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i'm gonna go out on a limb and suggest that you don't watch XF and you've made assumptions based on what others have said. either that or you have a very broad definition of vulnerable. in most cases judges of XF (and even more so BGT) are generally very cautious when rejecting younger and elderly auditionees.
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Well he did launch a foul mouthed diatribe at me last year. 😃
The Apprentice still has life in it but we need a new face rather than Al Sugar, as much as I detest Branson I'd like to see him replace the barrowboy. Anybody any further ideas on who might be a good successor? |
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I have seen X Factor and BGT and in the past I think they overstepped the mark with some contestants. I prefer both now as they've toned it down.
tbh, i think they could bin the auditions altogether now and start at the bootcamp stage. it's the weakest part of the show. |
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Apprentice might rise tonight. Spoke to two people who both missed it last night but will be watching tonight. Everyone who watched it last night will be watching it again.
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Is that not real-life? Real life is not a ball of cotton wool. If you want a successful singer at the end of the show, your going to have to be cruel to be kind as they say. Nobody forces them to audition.
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Apprentice might rise tonight. Spoke to two people who both missed it last night but will be watching tonight. Everyone who watched it last night will be watching it again.
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First two I'm a Celebrity teasers up: http://www.itv.com/imacelebrity/jung...ith-our-teaser
Will be interesting to see if it survives The Million Viewer Drop*. * not a new Channel 4 show.
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Apprentice might rise tonight. Spoke to two people who both missed it last night but will be watching tonight. Everyone who watched it last night will be watching it again.
I thought they had done it more than twice, this time they had to do it to get it finished by Christmas, which is also why we should definitely get a Sunday final this year. |
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It was Tues/Wed last year and the Wednesday was down, but of course its much later in the year this time.
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First two I'm a Celebrity teasers up: http://www.itv.com/imacelebrity/jung...ith-our-teaser
Will be interesting to see if it survives The Million Viewer Drop*. * not a new Channel 4 show. ![]() EDIT - England internationals on Saturday 15th November and Tuesday 18th November too, I think its worth noting. |
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i agree.
tbh, i think they could bin the auditions altogether now and start at the bootcamp stage. it's the weakest part of the show. |
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On a different note, there is no announcement of a quick commission of Our Zoo. 1 week since it finished.
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Well we have not even got its final ratings yet but it must be on a knife edge, lets hope the quality and realisation they cocked up the scheduling gives it a reprieve - it certainly deserves it.
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We thought The Crimson Field was safe for a recommission with its ratings and look what happened. Nothing is predictable. Our Zoo might be a 50/50 for a return.
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Wasn't there a change to the BARB measures or collection of data? Would this be a reason for the evident audience decline?
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Wasn't there a change to the BARB measures or collection of data?
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