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Old 06-10-2014, 10:04
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ITV will breathe a huge sigh of relief.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:05
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Good for Strictly, what I expected given that the results are usually slightly down on the main show. X Factor still has an audience on Sundays, doesn't mean we can ignore its Saturday rating but does give ITV a bit of good news.

As for Downton, Fellowes has been phoning it in for series now, after he managed to get away with the truly awful second series he realised viewers would watch anything. No effort goes into writing it at all and its looks like viewers are finally realising it, even I've stopped watching and I vowed to watch until Michelle Dockery realised she could do better.

I like that other dramas being down = viewers not wanting to watch, but Downton being down = there must be something up with Barb. A drama in its fifth series losing viewers isn't really a sign that there's something up with the system, there's quite a few signs there's something wrong but that's not one of them.
Well said! People are bored with it. I think we'd need to see next week's rating to determine if its in a crisis or not.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:06
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I am shocked at that Downton rating. That is almost down 2m viewers YOY. I don;t understand it, why would they just disappear?
Well if the total number of viewers is down by millions then the highest rated programs are going to suffer bigger losses. Its happened to quite a few NT of course this year but also Doc Martin last year. Remember also Whitchapel/Ripper Street which suddenly dipped.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:06
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Last year X Factor and Strictly clashed. X factor ran from 7.15 to 9pm last year. So is probably significantly down year on year between 8 and 9pm.
Considering what happened Saturday that wouldn't be surprising. The important thing now (maybe not at the start of the series but now) is to hold up week-on-week and it's managing that on Sunday but not on Saturday.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:07
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ITV will breathe a huge sigh of relief.
Over one show. The other will be alarming them slightly.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:08
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Welcome to the party H.

Its these sort of wild changes to ratings that I have queried over the years and therefore did not exactly trust in BARB.
Shows will go up and down - the same viewers don't all watch every week religiously, you only have to look how volatile a show like GBBO or Countryfile can be. TXF is marmite tv, thankfully viewers vote with their remotes.

If you look at yearly figures you may notice that Sunday TXF is regularly stronger than the Saturday broadcast. People go out on a Saturday evening, on a Sunday less so.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:10
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So The X Factor bounces back after the ridiculously OTT posts yesterday. So the judges houses format is not to blame.

The focus will inevitably switch towards Downton as today's ITV crisis topic.
I think you could reasonably summise that what was to blame this weekend and up to now is the clashes which definately hurt XF. They need to avoid them when they can on Saturdays especially.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:14
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Last year X Factor and Strictly clashed. X factor ran from 7.15 to 9pm last year. So is probably significantly down year on year between 8 and 9pm.
So The X Factor bounces back after the ridiculously OTT posts yesterday. So the judges houses format is not to blame.

The focus will inevitably switch towards Downton as today's ITV crisis topic.
And another X Factor stat.

"@jscummins: Last night's @TheXFactor peaked with 9.8 million viewers - the highest peak audience on Sunday night."

For the last couple of years some people seem to only watch the Sunday edition.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:16
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I always find it odd that more people watch the Sunday X Factor than the Saturday one, why would you care who went out if you hadn't seen them perform?
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:17
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Well said! People are bored with it. I think we'd need to see next week's rating to determine if its in a crisis or not.
It's dropped 3 weeks in a row. Very odd for Downton. I also think we need to see other channel ratings for 9pm to see if they offered more competition than usual
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:20
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I like that other dramas being down = viewers not wanting to watch, but Downton being down = there must be something up with Barb. A drama in its fifth series losing viewers isn't really a sign that there's something up with the system, there's quite a few signs there's something wrong but that's not one of them.
I would mostly agree with that except this isnt any old drama - its the no1 drama on tv and it has taken a massive hit with people not even bothering to turn up for the first episode when it was certainly seen as a banker. Other shows earlier in the year have suffered losses but many did not. I think it is a suprise.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:23
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ITV will breathe a huge sigh of relief.
Will they? The year on year average is slightly boosted by the shorter slot (8pm-9pm v 7.15 -9pm last year) and no clash with the SCD results this year.
Year on year between 8-9pm they are almost certainly down on the last Gary Borelow series. Hardly the return to form Fincham was predicting in August. Also last night is down on last Sunday, hardly a great sign.
If yesterday's 'in crisis' posts were exaggerated then todays recovery posts are just as bad.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:25
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Lets also remember that even if these shows are all down yoy they will still be some of the biggest raters of the year.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:31
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Lets also remember that even if these shows are all down yoy they will still be some of the biggest raters of the year.
Ah! But of course, the New Year Fireworks on BBC1 could be top dog again, how I enjoy that annual argument!
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:33
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I always find it odd that more people watch the Sunday X Factor than the Saturday one, why would you care who went out if you hadn't seen them perform?
Over to you BARB.

This is a joke BTW.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:33
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And another X Factor stat.

"@jscummins: Last night's @TheXFactor peaked with 9.8 million viewers - the highest peak audience on Sunday night."

For the last couple of years some people seem to only watch the Sunday edition.
So, Alistair Campbell's PR officer has used the peak to make it seem better yet again! YAWN!!!!!!!!
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:34
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Will they? The year on year average is slightly boosted by the shorter slot (8pm-9pm v 7.15 -9pm last year) and no clash with the SCD results this year.
Year on year between 8-9pm they are almost certainly down on the last Gary Borelow series. Hardly the return to form Fincham was predicting in August. Also last night is down on last Sunday, hardly a great sign.
If yesterday's 'in crisis' posts were exaggerated then todays recovery posts are just as bad.
For the money ITV threw at Simon, Cheryl and X Factor in general they would have expected to be doing better than they are right now. A significant rise as opposed to flat some weeks year on year.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:35
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X Factor swinging up and down violently like a yo-yo. It wasn't doing this a couple of years ago, so there is a problem. I think things will become clearer when the live shows begin. But for the moment it's pointless focussing too much on either the worst or the best ratings it is producing, however convenient that might be. On average it is currently down on the Barlow era and that has to be a worry.

Pretty poor relatively speaking for Downton Abbey but it only fills an hour and at least is a strong seller aboard. TXF is the one that will be keeping ITV execs awake at night, let's be absolutely clear about that.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:39
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The trend of rating goes down = crisis for ITV needs to be halted on here. You can't expect ratings to keep rising indefinitely when the trend of people watching live TV is going in the opposite direction. DA is massively successful abroad so ITV won't be too concerned just yet. Even of interest waned, surely that is inevitable at some point.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:40
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The trend of rating goes down = crisis for ITV needs to be halted on here. You can't expect ratings to keep rising indefinitely when the trend of people watching live TV is going in the opposite direction. DA is massively successful abroad so ITV won't be too concerned just yet. Even of interest waned, surely that is inevitable at some point.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:40
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So, Alistair Campbell's PR officer has used the peak to make it seem better yet again! YAWN!!!!!!!!
Isn't the peak always reported?
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:40
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X Factor swinging up and down violently like a yo-yo. It wasn't doing this a couple of years ago, so there is a problem. I think things will become clearer when the live shows begin. But for the moment it's pointless focussing too much on either the worst or the best ratings it is producing, however convenient that might be.

Pretty poor relatively speaking for Downton Abbey but it only fills an hour and at least is a strong seller aboard. TXF is the one that will be keeping ITV execs awake at night, let's be absolutely clear about that.
Yes, pretty concise summary there Dancc. I agree that ITV will be more concerned about TXF than they are with DA. But, let's not forget that DA is also losing momentum in the USA where new, more relevant shows are being recognised. Sherlock for instance was the big British show that the Americans recognised at the Emmys. It's a very fickle environment in America, moreso than here. Once the USA audience for DA falls away then the show will "have reached its natural conclusion". (Executive speak for axing a drama!).
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:41
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Will they? The year on year average is slightly boosted by the shorter slot (8pm-9pm v 7.15 -9pm last year) and no clash with the SCD results this year.
Year on year between 8-9pm they are almost certainly down on the last Gary Borelow series. Hardly the return to form Fincham was predicting in August. Also last night is down on last Sunday, hardly a great sign.
If yesterday's 'in crisis' posts were exaggerated then todays recovery posts are just as bad.
Oh of course it's not exactly a miraculous recovery, but better than it could have been from Saturday's awful rating. Ran Strictly close too which they will take a bit of heart from.

Downton is an issue, I don't understand why that's down so much. But then again I don't watch.
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:41
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So, Alistair Campbell's PR officer has used the peak to make it seem better yet again! YAWN!!!!!!!!
To be fair wizzy, it is her job... chill your beans!
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Old 06-10-2014, 10:43
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Isn't the peak always reported?
Yes, but usually alongside the overnight. For instance "Programme A had 8.2m viewers last night, peaking at 9.1m, the highest rated programme of the night".

Just quoting the peak is indication that perhaps ratings were not as good as expected.
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