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Old 27-10-2014, 12:47
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Yeah I like that idea. The thing is IAC is a show that can start at 7pm/8pm or basically any time. Its not needed to be after the watershed. Its the perfect vehicle to launched news shows after and dramas..
Isn't the time difference in Australia the reason why IAC has to start at 9 ?
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Old 27-10-2014, 12:52
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Isn't the time difference in Australia the reason why IAC has to start at 9 ?
Aye. The show going out at 7pm in the UK would mean Ant and Dec doing live links at 5am Aussie time.

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Old 27-10-2014, 12:54
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How much money is really made from the winner's single anyway? Selling 300,000 79p downloads probably doesnt make as much money as one ad break.
But ITV make money from the ads rather than the record label.

Last night was as bad as it can surely get for a channel pulling in nearly 8m viewers across two hours. The X Factor has hit freefall once again while Downton saw a decline despite airing against much easier opposition from BBC One. Keep It In the Family has no room to drop either.

Very good night for BBC One until the 9pm slot and Speed did well for Channel 4.
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Old 27-10-2014, 12:54
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not real but funny

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Old 27-10-2014, 12:55
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Surely X factors ratings aren't much lower than the penultimate series of dancing on ice, where the decision was made to axe it!
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Old 27-10-2014, 12:57
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Surely X factors ratings aren't much lower than the penultimate series of dancing on ice, where the decision was made to axe it!
Nae. They're still a couple of mil higher than that. But XF is also a gazillion times more expensive so the comparison isn't valid.
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Old 27-10-2014, 12:59
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I watched the pilot on Amazon yesterday. It's not bad, but not great either. They have made much of being "true" to the original DC Comics idea of having the lead character as a Brit (unlike the Keanu Reeves movie version). I suspect that NBC were hoping it would take off like Sleepy Hollow did for FOX last year - guy with British accent fights spookiness in contemporary America. But it just doesn't have the same sense of fun. And I suspect (perhaps unfairly) that the Northern accent of the Brit in Constantine is less accessible to most Yanks than the very posh Southern accent of the Brit in Sleepy Hollow...
Interesting to hear your thoughts on Constantine. I'm currently debating whether or not it's worth adding Amazon to my monthly subscriptions. I'm already with Netflix, and recently against my better judgement added Now TV, mostly for access to Fox and Comedy Central and the odd series on Sky Atlantic. That's about £13 a month between them. Not sure Amazon's exclusive content offering is substantial enough yet to tempt me to add another. There's still loads for me to watch on Netflix and Now TV on top of the Freeview offering.

But the amount of money Amazon are spending in order to try and beef up the service suggests they mean business and I may eventually take all three.
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Old 27-10-2014, 13:10
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Great figures for Strictly last night - it really seems to have hit it's stride this year now, and is motoring along fine after the presenter changes. A big relief, I'm sure.

X Factor's numbers are a little troubling heading into what are traditionally a difficult couple of weeks for the show. Downton seems to have found its new norm.

The other solution would be to start X Factor at the end of October and have the earlier rounds airing now with the lives from end of December to February. That would effectively replace DOI too.
I think this is a better solution than a year's 'rest', to be honest. It still gives ITV the figures at the peak programming time of year - but avoids the Rugby World Cup disruption and would give a massive boost to the wasteland that is Q1 weekends on ITV at present.

I think a full year off, as Score suggested, is just a step too far and a massive risk. I'm not convinced it would return any stronger in 2016 than it would in 2015. Any 'absence-makes-the-heart-grow-stronger' effect would be balanced out by the utterly free run Strictly would enjoy next autumn and the risk that XF would look like even more of an anachronism when it finally did return.
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Old 27-10-2014, 13:25
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www.barb.co.uk has updated with new information.

Channel Shares w/c October 13
BBC One: 22.0%
ITV: 16.2%
Channel 4: 5.7%
BBC Two: 5.4%
Channel 5: 4.6%
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Old 27-10-2014, 13:36
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Channel 4 and BBC seems to benefit off the weak X Factor last night, It could be even worse for the X Factor if Channel 5 put out a program in the 20:00 slot like a new Cowboy Builders.
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Old 27-10-2014, 13:37
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X Factor could do a heck of a lot to improve their position if they simply did a much better job on the song choices. They are just hanging most of their acts out to dry this year with really terrible choices - really terrible choices - that don't suit them at all. It might sound a very small thing but it makes it a pretty painful evening. That shouldn't be that difficult to fix, and something that can be fixed at any time without any rethinking of the formula. At the moment it feels to me like they are more interested in creating something the judges can argue over than showing their acts off to the best of their ability. One great performance from someone, particularly a really great sing off performance, and the ratings would improve, imo.

Strictly's got a lot of possible problems and niggles this year, lots of dubious production decisions, I think. But a lot of good dancing, and if they have a good mix of experienced dancing and likeable beginners, the show still works even if they are struggling in other areas (the judges are on autopilot this year).
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Old 27-10-2014, 13:43
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Re X Factor taking a year off - I don't think it'd make any difference. Has there ever been a show that has benefitted from taking a year off and then come back stronger the year after?

As a fan of the show I don't think they are necessarily doing anything wrong. I still enjoy it - less than I did, but after 11 years the novelty is bound to wear off. Little twists in the format or shaking up the judging panel can only stop the rot so much.

Obviously we don't have the full info on how much profit ITV make out of the show but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't enough to keep it going in the short term. They just need to negotiate a better deal with SyCo.
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Old 27-10-2014, 13:48
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Re X Factor taking a year off - I don't think it'd make any difference. Has there ever been a show that has benefitted from taking a year off and then come back stronger the year after?

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Doctor Who took 16 years off, and came back immeasurably stronger.
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Old 27-10-2014, 13:52
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Doctor Who took 16 years off, and came back immeasurably stronger.
Thats a good idea then - XF to take 16 years off !!!
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Old 27-10-2014, 13:55
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They've already started down that path with this new chatshow thing they've signed up Mel and Sue to do. Suspect our GBBO friends will have a big offer to make a decision on in the near future. The only thing that could save us is if they happened to notice Sussanah Reid's recent career trajetctory since she went over to the dark side. Sigh.
Yep, I suspect that daytime thing is just stage 1 to try and disrupt Mel and Sue's schedule and benefit from their GBBO popularity. Stage 2 with that big money offer must be on the cards at ITV towers...

oh and if the public turns against them for the big money deal, Bake Off type viewers seem like the type who would not take kindly to them being sell outs.
Middle-England would be appalled at such a move! Top agenda point at the monthly WI convention...
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Old 27-10-2014, 14:03
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Thats a good idea then - XF to take 16 years off !!!
this is one of those times, where Digital Spy does need a like button.

Middle-England would be appalled at such a move! Top agenda point at the monthly WI convention...
I assume the second agenda point will be which part of the WI to sell as a format next?

Both Mel and Sue have have had time away from TV, I can only hope for there own sakes, this leads to them making more sensible decesions than anyone else ITV has dangled a big cheque in front of.
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Old 27-10-2014, 14:03
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Yep, I suspect that daytime thing is just stage 1 to try and disrupt Mel and Sue's schedule and benefit from their GBBO popularity. Stage 2 with that big money offer must be on the cards at ITV towers...
I don't think either party are that daft. Unless the daytime show turns into some sort of monumental success, there's no way Mel & Sue would contemplate leaving Bake Off. They've been in the business long enough to know you don't ditch that sort of mega hit.

And even ITV would realise they've got nothing to do with the pair of them. Bake Off is a formatted show - Mel & Sue are very important contributors to it, but there's no show without the format!
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Old 27-10-2014, 14:08
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I think these "family share" stats are worth keeping a note of (until BARB provide a table of previous weeks)
Weekly stats:http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/week...nel-group?_s=4
Monthly stats: http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/mont...nel-group?_s=4

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W/E	31/08/2014 	14/09/2014	28/09/2014	12/10/2014
BBC	31.10%		31.9% (+0.8)	32.3% (+0.4)	33.5%(+1.2)
ITV	20.40%		22.1% (+1.7)	22.8% (+0.7)	23.7%(+0.9)
C4	11.00%		10.4% (-0.6)	10.4% (+0.0)	10.7%(+0.3)
Sky	9.80%		8.1% (-1.7)	9.1% (+1.0)	7.3%(-1.8)
C5	6.40%		6.7% (+0.3)	5.9% (-0.8)	5.9%(0)
				
Month	Aug-14	Sep-14		
BBC	31.80%	32.3% (+0.5)		
ITV	19.90%	22.4%(+2.5)		
C4	11.20%	10.5%(-0.7)		
Sky	9.50%	8.6%(-0.9)		
C5	6.70%	6.3%(-0.4)
Sky the only loser that week...

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Old 27-10-2014, 14:24
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That rating for GOOGLEBOX on Friday night is just amazing.. Really cannot believe how well it is doing.

HOMELAND 1.4 mill .. steady v last week and still a decent preformer but its way down from last year, in the US too. The reboot is actually working very well creatively. I predict when tit gets renewed season 5 will be announced as either its penultimate or last
season.

SPEED WITH GUY MARTIN doing very well.

Also, I watched CONSTANTINE on Amazon... while it didn't have a brilliant launch in the US it did retain over 90% of its lead in of GRIMM which was also down a good bit from last years premiere (1.8 v 1.5 in the demo).
Its not the best show, but I was blown away by the special effects. I wonder if they blew all their budget on the pilot or will they keep up with it? It definitely has potential and so far is the best match with GRIMM compared to the other shows they have tried (MOCKINGBIRD LANE, DRACULA, HANNIBAL, CROSSBONES)
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Old 27-10-2014, 14:24
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I think these "family share" stats are worth keeping a note of (until BARB provide a table of previous weeks)
Weekly stats:http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/week...nel-group?_s=4
Monthly stats: http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/mont...nel-group?_s=4

Code:
W/E	31/08/2014 	14/09/2014	28/09/2014	12/10/2014
BBC	31.10%		31.9% (+0.8)	32.3% (+0.4)	33.5%(+1.2)
ITV	20.40%		22.1% (+1.7)	22.8% (+0.7)	23.7%(+0.9)
C4	11.00%		10.4% (-0.6)	10.4% (+0.0)	10.7%(+0.3)
Sky	9.80%		8.1% (-1.7)	9.1% (+1.0)	7.3%(-1.8)
C5	6.40%		6.7% (+0.3)	5.9% (-0.8)	5.9%(0)
				
Month	Aug-14	Sep-14		
BBC	31.80%	32.3% (+0.5)		
ITV	19.90%	22.4%(+2.5)		
C4	11.20%	10.5%(-0.7)		
Sky	9.50%	8.6%(-0.9)		
C5	6.70%	6.3%(-0.4)
Sky the only loser that week...

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These pages still need updating to reflect the fact that C5 and Viacom are now part of the same group. In reality the Viacom group was actually fourth that week on 8.1%, ahead of BSkyB.
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Old 27-10-2014, 14:26
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this is one of those times, where Digital Spy does need a like button.

I assume the second agenda point will be which part of the WI to sell as a format next?

Both Mel and Sue have have had time away from TV, I can only hope for there own sakes, this leads to them making more sensible decesions than anyone else ITV has dangled a big cheque in front of.
But then if you look at someone like Emma Willis. She appeared to have it all earlier this year. ITV offered her the big cheque and she refused, seemed a sensible decision at the time. A few months on, she hasn't been on ITV since, Big Brothers future has a massive question mark over it after a poor summer and a management change at C5, and The Voice doesn't seem as secure either.

Things can change in the industry very quickly, and sometimes decisions aren't always about what shows you're currently on, but that you'll have some form of work in a couple of years. That said, I think Bake Off itself is more likely to move to ITV than a Mel & Sue exclusive contract. In other words, it probably won't happen.
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Old 27-10-2014, 14:38
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X-Factor is too much part of "culture" it is "the man", younger people looking to "rebel" and "stick it to the man"

Im not sure kids rebel anymore, but between baking and sewing, they dont have time for that modern pop music
I think that's a fair point.
You made me think that when I was a young teenager there were TV shows that had been on all my life, and you just wanted something fresh and new that was exciting.
I would imagine that it would be pretty much the same with young people nowadays As they've grown up the X Factor has always been there for most of their life, and to some it will just be a show that mum and dad watch. And it's hardly changed a bit over the years.

It doesn't help when on the X Factor they sing loads of songs from the 80s and 90s, or before, and you have two 'old' men telling young people what's good and what isn't in today's 'hit parade'.
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Old 27-10-2014, 14:42
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But then if you look at someone like Emma Willis. She appeared to have it all earlier this year. ITV offered her the big cheque and she refused, seemed a sensible decision at the time. A few months on, she hasn't been on ITV since, Big Brothers future has a massive question mark over it after a poor summer and a management change at C5, and The Voice doesn't seem as secure either. .
Oh yes I imagine she is heartbroken not to be doing maternity cover on an ailing morning show with that roaring success story Christine Bleakley or the chance to present the already axed Rising Star. The Voice has been commissioned for 2 years and there isn't a hope in hell C5 will walk away from CBB. But yeah she should have left those to read out tweets in the hub with Rylan on This Morning. Oh I forgot that has been axed too.
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Old 27-10-2014, 14:48
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X Factor burned brightly but has dropped sharply. Strictly peaked in 2010 but ratings after that stayed pretty good. Why did Strictly hold its audience better than X Factor?
I can't claim to know the answer to that question. But perhaps music is ubiquitous and you can access it all the time, but that the type of dancing featured on Strictly is sort of niche and you don't see that kind of thing everyday. So that show brings something to the viewer that they otherwise wouldn't get to see unless they looked for it.
As I said I don't know, just guessing on possible reasons.
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Old 27-10-2014, 14:49
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They have Rising Star on early next year, I'm not sure if ITV are making a big deal of it but they should try and it could become the eventual X Factor replacement.
Yes it's going to be a huge success
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