Isn't the time difference in Australia the reason why IAC has to start at 9 ?

Aye. The show going out at 7pm in the UK would mean Ant and Dec doing live links at 5am Aussie time.
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But ITV make money from the ads rather than the record label.

Last night was as bad as it can surely get for a channel pulling in nearly 8m viewers across two hours. The X Factor has hit freefall once again while Downton saw a decline despite airing against much easier opposition from BBC One. Keep It In the Family has no room to drop either.

Very good night for BBC One until the 9pm slot and Speed did well for Channel 4.

not real but funny

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ckcxHzuhFA#

Surely X factors ratings aren't much lower than the penultimate series of dancing on ice, where the decision was made to axe it!

Nae. They're still a couple of mil higher than that. But XF is also a gazillion times more expensive so the comparison isn't valid.

Interesting to hear your thoughts on Constantine. I'm currently debating whether or not it's worth adding Amazon to my monthly subscriptions. I'm already with Netflix, and recently against my better judgement added Now TV, mostly for access to Fox and Comedy Central and the odd series on Sky Atlantic. That's about £13 a month between them. Not sure Amazon's exclusive content offering is substantial enough yet to tempt me to add another. There's still loads for me to watch on Netflix and Now TV on top of the Freeview offering.

But the amount of money Amazon are spending in order to try and beef up the service suggests they mean business and I may eventually take all three.

Great figures for Strictly last night - it really seems to have hit it's stride this year now, and is motoring along fine after the presenter changes. A big relief, I'm sure.

X Factor's numbers are a little troubling heading into what are traditionally a difficult couple of weeks for the show. Downton seems to have found its new norm.


I think this is a better solution than a year's 'rest', to be honest. It still gives ITV the figures at the peak programming time of year - but avoids the Rugby World Cup disruption and would give a massive boost to the wasteland that is Q1 weekends on ITV at present.

I think a full year off, as Score suggested, is just a step too far and a massive risk. I'm not convinced it would return any stronger in 2016 than it would in 2015. Any 'absence-makes-the-heart-grow-stronger' effect would be balanced out by the utterly free run Strictly would enjoy next autumn and the risk that XF would look like even more of an anachronism when it finally did return.

www.barb.co.uk has updated with new information.

Channel Shares w/c October 13
BBC One: 22.0%
ITV: 16.2%
Channel 4: 5.7%
BBC Two: 5.4%
Channel 5: 4.6%

Channel 4 and BBC seems to benefit off the weak X Factor last night, It could be even worse for the X Factor if Channel 5 put out a program in the 20:00 slot like a new Cowboy Builders.

X Factor could do a heck of a lot to improve their position if they simply did a much better job on the song choices. They are just hanging most of their acts out to dry this year with really terrible choices - really terrible choices - that don't suit them at all. It might sound a very small thing but it makes it a pretty painful evening. That shouldn't be that difficult to fix, and something that can be fixed at any time without any rethinking of the formula. At the moment it feels to me like they are more interested in creating something the judges can argue over than showing their acts off to the best of their ability. One great performance from someone, particularly a really great sing off performance, and the ratings would improve, imo.

Strictly's got a lot of possible problems and niggles this year, lots of dubious production decisions, I think. But a lot of good dancing, and if they have a good mix of experienced dancing and likeable beginners, the show still works even if they are struggling in other areas (the judges are on autopilot this year).

Re X Factor taking a year off - I don't think it'd make any difference. Has there ever been a show that has benefitted from taking a year off and then come back stronger the year after?

As a fan of the show I don't think they are necessarily doing anything wrong. I still enjoy it - less than I did, but after 11 years the novelty is bound to wear off. Little twists in the format or shaking up the judging panel can only stop the rot so much.

Obviously we don't have the full info on how much profit ITV make out of the show but I'd be very surprised if it wasn't enough to keep it going in the short term. They just need to negotiate a better deal with SyCo.

Doctor Who took 16 years off, and came back immeasurably stronger.

Thats a good idea then - XF to take 16 years off !!!

Yep, I suspect that daytime thing is just stage 1 to try and disrupt Mel and Sue's schedule and benefit from their GBBO popularity. Stage 2 with that big money offer must be on the cards at ITV towers...


Middle-England would be appalled at such a move! Top agenda point at the monthly WI convention...

this is one of those times, where Digital Spy does need a like button.


I assume the second agenda point will be which part of the WI to sell as a format next?

Both Mel and Sue have have had time away from TV, I can only hope for there own sakes, this leads to them making more sensible decesions than anyone else ITV has dangled a big cheque in front of.

I don't think either party are that daft. Unless the daytime show turns into some sort of monumental success, there's no way Mel & Sue would contemplate leaving Bake Off. They've been in the business long enough to know you don't ditch that sort of mega hit.

And even ITV would realise they've got nothing to do with the pair of them. Bake Off is a formatted show - Mel & Sue are very important contributors to it, but there's no show without the format!

I think these "family share" stats are worth keeping a note of (until BARB provide a table of previous weeks)
Weekly stats:http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/week...nel-group?_s=4
Monthly stats: http://www.barb.co.uk/whats-new/mont...nel-group?_s=4

Sky the only loser that week...

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That rating for GOOGLEBOX on Friday night is just amazing.. Really cannot believe how well it is doing.

HOMELAND 1.4 mill .. steady v last week and still a decent preformer but its way down from last year, in the US too. The reboot is actually working very well creatively. I predict when tit gets renewed season 5 will be announced as either its penultimate or last
season.

SPEED WITH GUY MARTIN doing very well.

Also, I watched CONSTANTINE on Amazon... while it didn't have a brilliant launch in the US it did retain over 90% of its lead in of GRIMM which was also down a good bit from last years premiere (1.8 v 1.5 in the demo).
Its not the best show, but I was blown away by the special effects. I wonder if they blew all their budget on the pilot or will they keep up with it? It definitely has potential and so far is the best match with GRIMM compared to the other shows they have tried (MOCKINGBIRD LANE, DRACULA, HANNIBAL, CROSSBONES)

These pages still need updating to reflect the fact that C5 and Viacom are now part of the same group. In reality the Viacom group was actually fourth that week on 8.1%, ahead of BSkyB.

But then if you look at someone like Emma Willis. She appeared to have it all earlier this year. ITV offered her the big cheque and she refused, seemed a sensible decision at the time. A few months on, she hasn't been on ITV since, Big Brothers future has a massive question mark over it after a poor summer and a management change at C5, and The Voice doesn't seem as secure either.

Things can change in the industry very quickly, and sometimes decisions aren't always about what shows you're currently on, but that you'll have some form of work in a couple of years. That said, I think Bake Off itself is more likely to move to ITV than a Mel & Sue exclusive contract. In other words, it probably won't happen.

I think that's a fair point.
You made me think that when I was a young teenager there were TV shows that had been on all my life, and you just wanted something fresh and new that was exciting.
I would imagine that it would be pretty much the same with young people nowadays As they've grown up the X Factor has always been there for most of their life, and to some it will just be a show that mum and dad watch. And it's hardly changed a bit over the years.

It doesn't help when on the X Factor they sing loads of songs from the 80s and 90s, or before, and you have two 'old' men telling young people what's good and what isn't in today's 'hit parade'.

Oh yes I imagine she is heartbroken not to be doing maternity cover on an ailing morning show with that roaring success story Christine Bleakley or the chance to present the already axed Rising Star. The Voice has been commissioned for 2 years and there isn't a hope in hell C5 will walk away from CBB. But yeah she should have left those to read out tweets in the hub with Rylan on This Morning. Oh I forgot that has been axed too.

I can't claim to know the answer to that question. But perhaps music is ubiquitous and you can access it all the time, but that the type of dancing featured on Strictly is sort of niche and you don't see that kind of thing everyday. So that show brings something to the viewer that they otherwise wouldn't get to see unless they looked for it.
As I said I don't know, just guessing on possible reasons.

Yes it's going to be a huge success