Maybe it's going to go out at 8.30pm. Would I Lie To You is down for 8 episodes to finish on October 31st but if the 8th episode is a compilation of highlights and unseen bits then that could be scheduled into a separate one-off slot.

Charlotte Moore is supposedly a big fan of Citizen Khan. Relegating it back to a 10.35 slot is hardly a nice thing for a fan to do to a series. I know 8.30 puts it up against Corrie but it's still primetime and WILTY is currently attracting bigger overnights there than every weekday 10.35 slot including, last week, The Graham Norton Show.

I'm no fan of Citizen Khan by a long chalk, but I hate BBC1 putting sitcoms out at 10.35 even more because they've got so few of them.

Given the ratings GBBO gets, the BBC certainly should have a Christmas Day special of it. One hour of it is not going to 'overexpose' the program. In fact, if I was controller, I would probably do a 3-part GBBO Comic Relief spin off next year where it would get a solid 5million.

The growth between GBBO's semi final and final was big. But we've seen in previous years, when shows with lots of buzz are young in the shelf life, like XF or SCD in series 3-6, the jump between the semi and final can be big due to lots of casual viewers who have never seen the show before checking it out. Once a show like XF or SCD gets to series 9 or 10, they can still rate high but the jump between the semi final and final isnt too big because the Great British Public are all aware of what these shows are and have checked it out before, so less rooom for casual viewers to suddenly check them out.

Our Zoo disappointed. Only 4.5million after a 12m+ lead-in, it's poor really. BBC need to get rid and give that slot to another drama next year which would be capabnle of 5m+.

After 20:00 at night and we only have football on ITV and daytime TV on BBC One, They deserve the ratings they get for not putting anything good on at the moment.

Great British Bake Off's success is proof that if a show works here very well, it may not work well abroad. Or vice versa, if a show is big overseas, it may not be big here etc. GBBO has aired in Australia as the Great Australian Bake Off and flopped. It aired in USA as Great American Baking Challenge and flopped. It's pretty much flopped everywhere internationally. But maybe because it is such a quintessentially British show? Although, Downright Shabby's very British-esque show and that's done well abroad.

I watched GBBO last night once again as a casual viewer. Nice enough show, but nothing to get too excited by personally. A very female oriented program, with a nice atmosphere and some compelling-ish tv and nice looking food. But not really something I'd watch regularly.

It's being recorded next Tuesday, tickets are still available

No, I was wondering that myself, but there are in fact eight proper episodes, PLUS the clip show, PLUS a Christmas special. So it'll still be there on the 31st, presumably.

We don't know for certain Bake Off will get 13.5m. Could be less. Should be 13m at least. I still can't believe that I am writing this about Bake Off!

Altogether now...

Sweet Caroline na na na na - good times never seemed so good...

You'd think the BBC Media Centre would check its facts before printing things.

If Khan replaced WILTY on the 7th November, there would be 7 Fridays up to 19th December (the week before Boing Day, enough for 6 episodes of Khan and one night of Children In Need. Although CIN is 14th November so that would mean Khan would only be on for 1 week before it would have to take a week off.

I'm glad Under The Dome is being renewed. But will Channel 5 buy it? I hope so.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/liv...ewed-at-724677

The Interceptor is still being made. It'll be broadcast next year.

I wouldn't have thought so, no.

It will be another stick for people to beat C5 with. People will argue its another example of a badly treated US show by them but the numbers simply haven't been good enough and that's a fact.

It might pick up slightly with a Gotham lead-in, but whether it does or it doesn't I do hope they keep it at 10PM for the remainder of this second season as repeated slot changes damage the brand.

Based on that I doubt ''The Queen'' will be given a series.....

Speaking of Gotham, do you think it will hit the 3million target mark against the likes of New Tricks/Grantchester/24 Hours in Jail? In the USA, it has disappointed in the ratings so far. All signs suggest another Agents of SHIELD type of flop.

1. No such target exists.
2. It has not disappointed in the US, it has been highly successful for Fox. Still early days but I'd put my house on a second season happening already.
3. It has every chance in that Monday 9PM slot as there's normally a lot of viewers available and at least initially BBC One and ITV are not competing directly in the target demo.
4. If UK viewers like it as much as IMDB voters where it is currently averaging an excellent 8.4/10, it will be a hit. Otherwise they'll have to think again.

I appreciate that for reasons unbeknownst to me you are desperate beyond words for it to fail, but it's not going to make or break Channel 5. This is a very exciting time for the channel and the new owners are committed to growing share one way or another. It could be that if this doesn't work they spend less on US drama in the future, but I for one hope that doesn't happen as it will inevitably mean more content like this behind a paywall. If not Sky then Netflix or even Amazon Instant Video.

Is Itv Be a success? Well, here are the calculations...

The Only Way is Essex launched with 674k, which is down a massive 27pct from its previous series launch of 920k. In fact, it was TOWIE's worst ever series premiere rating.

Another perspective to look at is that at 9pm yesterday, Itv2 had a 2.4pct share and ItvBe had a 3.1pct share. So combined Itv2 and ItvBe share was 5.5pct, which is far higher than what Itv2 alone would've got (perhaps about 3pct).

So is it an initial success or not? Depends on how you look at it.

The real surprise there is that they've renewed Extant as well. Not sure many people expected that although I'm relatively happy about it. It got going toward the end of the run.


Because it isn't just a Christmas special is it? There's the full series, the Comic Relief/Children in Need series, Extra Slice, the master classes and various other spin-offs trading off on the popularity of Bake Off and a Christmas special not to mention what I'm sure will be a tidal wave of merchandising, books and magazines. And on that note after giving it some actual thought I take back my earlier suggestion regarding a Christmas Bakes run.


Baking isn't really a part of Christmas Day though is it. On Christmas day you eat all those things but you tend to bake it all before the day itself and I honestly don't think there is a huge amount of appetite for watching people bake on Christmas day either and that's a pretty inescapable part of the format really. Let me also just ask who really cares about an 'all-star' edition of Bake Off? Is there really that much appeal to bringing back contestants from previous years when far fewer people watched? This isn't a Strictly situation where its former contestants that the entire audience is going to remember.


Why? If the final had just pulled 5 million viewers would people be suggesting its perfect for Christmas? Again I can't help but feel people are seeing the numbers its pulled and thinking those numbers would look great on Christmas Day rather than looking at the show and thinking that would play well on Christmas Day.


And this is what I'm talking about on the over exposure front.


It absolutely hasn't disappointed in the ratings in the US. Its been one of the best performing new shows of the season and not just Fox's best performing new show but their best performing show period. The drops certainly haven't been great but its far from a flop at this point.

What is the target for C5 then? Surely given they are spending on it almost as much as what BBC One/Itv do for an original British drama, they must be hoping for 3million? Otherwise the show will be completely unprofitable for C5.

In the US, it launched to an underwhelming 3.2 rating. And then fell over 20pct to just a 2.5 for its 2nd episode. And the only way it will be trending from now on is down, so expect sub 2.0 figures soon. Quite underhwelming for such a hyped project. Its ratings only look good compared to FOX's other dire ratings but when you look at the numbers properly, 2.5 for episode 2 is a disappointment.

Its also on a completely different channel. I really don't think there's a particularly convincing way to spin this as a bad number. Or indeed a particularly convincing way to suggest that ITVBe hasn't gotten off to a good if not very good start.

If you divide the second percentage figure (the TVR, the % of all people regardless of whether they were watching TV, who watched Bake Off on average) by the share, then you get the % of people in each demo who were watching any TV in the slot (including timeshift of that slot*), which I've put above. Kind of reinforces Samuel's point about the importance of the grey vote.

Some 2.65m, one-quarter of all those aged 65+, watched Bake Off on average over the hour (inc timeshift of the period) - while 4.0m watched something else shown at the same time, and another 4.0m on average did not watch TV broadcast in that period.

Oh, and the total TV audience was 25.1m in the 20:00 slot (again including timeshift of the slot, yada yada), up from 22.8m last week.

* This means that if you watched both Bake Off and Celebrity Squares last night via live TV/PVR, for instance, you would be counted twice in terms of these 'watching any TV' figures, and indeed 'total TV audience' figures.


Thanks Lewie. I've added in the official ratings for those shows that made the BBC One top 30, and done the same for ITV1 (as was).


Would be really nice to see Bake Off overtake I'm a Celeb there. Will definitely do so in share, may even be third in share among programmes in that list, depending on how much it timeshifts relative to other shows in the timeslot.

In the pre-Attentional era, the first part of the series 1 Pop Idol final on Saturday 9/2/02 (Gareth Gates/Will Young) scored 13.34m officially, so Bake Off will probably be above that too. However, that one-hour performance show for Pop Idol from 19:10 got a 57% share in the full-slot overnights (rating of 13.1m) according to MediaGuardian. which is just enormous and only surpassed in the (official) shares above by the BGT final results in late May at the height of SuBo-mania (a stunning 68.1%). The Pop Idol results show, at the bonkers time of 22:10, rated 11.7m/50% overnight (not tape-checked) and 12.52m officially.

Here's the full ITV1 schedule for that Pop Idol final night, with official ratings where available:


http://tvlistings.thetvroomplus.com/listing-4164.html

Perhaps because it was excellent TV? I loved it anyway

Quite clear to me that ITV will be deliriously happy with the start it has made. I'd like to see examples of channels that have launched better recently, if indeed there are any. ITV Be even managed to score higher ratings on launch night than ITV3 in 2004 which launched deeper in the autumn at a time when there were less channels on Freeview so it was a bigger deal.

*sighs*

If you can't even be bothered to get basic information right, there's little point discussing this with you.

That 'disappointing' 3.2 is tied for the second best drama launch of the season. Second only to How To Get Away With Murder which had a phenomenal debut. Its easily Fox's best debut of the season. And once again Gotham currently stands not just as Fox's best performing new show but its best performing show period. Last week it out rated everything on Fox and will likely do so again this week that includes The Simpsons, Family Guy and its lead out Sleepy Hollow. Also just for the record by my count only 6 shows so far this week have gone above a 2.5 and two of those only by a tenth and you'll probably only be able to add another 3 or maybe 4 to that list come the end of the week as well (excluding Thursday Night Football). Also Gotham's second episode actually had a 2.8 which is a 12.5% drop from the first episode. It should however also be added that a 20% drop isn't unusual for new shows at all.

Can I add this to your post Neil to fill in the gaps? I posted this a year ago on here. It was also the same day that Princess Margaret died, I remember that day really well for some reason.



The missing figures come from Broadcast.

And the 2002 Christmas episode of Emmerdale was 65 minutes. It was a pretty big episode from what I remember.