Can I ask what a crude timeshift is? 
The Ratings Thread (Part 62)
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Originally Posted by James J:
“Can I ask what a crude timeshift is?”
“Can I ask what a crude timeshift is?
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With the breaks still included I think!
Originally Posted by rammie96:
“Great to see the upward trend here - funniest show on TV by a mile and looks promising for another series.”
“Great to see the upward trend here - funniest show on TV by a mile and looks promising for another series.”
It's got to be dirt cheap to make, surely? I'd say its future is secure, as they carried on making it when nearly all of the last series was sub-3m.
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“Great to see it continuing to improve week-on-week. Pity it's about to be replaced by the dire Citizen Khan which will probably get the same overnights as Big School.”
“Great to see it continuing to improve week-on-week. Pity it's about to be replaced by the dire Citizen Khan which will probably get the same overnights as Big School.”
I hope the Digiguide scheduling is just a mistake and WILTY is allowed to finish its run in the normal timeslot.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Being assisted by a very weak Corrie. You can see the reduced shares for the 7th series, but now that Corrie is posting 30% shares for the 8:30pm slot (35% last year) WILTY shares have risen.”
“Being assisted by a very weak Corrie. You can see the reduced shares for the 7th series, but now that Corrie is posting 30% shares for the 8:30pm slot (35% last year) WILTY shares have risen.”
Series 7 also suffered in that it started being filmed very shortly before broadcast, meaning there were no preview tapes available or footage to use in promotion, whereas this one has been in the can for a while and has been able to be promoted much better.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I think had the Bake Off final averaged 13m then a 14m consolidated rating would have been certain. A 1.7m timeshift might be unlikely for the final. But we've been surprised so much by the ratings that anything can happen!”
“I think had the Bake Off final averaged 13m then a 14m consolidated rating would have been certain. A 1.7m timeshift might be unlikely for the final. But we've been surprised so much by the ratings that anything can happen!”
Any consolidation of the original showing will be cut short by the repeat showing that's about to start...
K
Originally Posted by James J:
“Can I ask what a crude timeshift is?”
“Can I ask what a crude timeshift is?
”
Originally Posted by Rob1985:
“With the breaks still included I think!”
“With the breaks still included I think!
”
Yes, crude timeshift = simple increase from overnight to official. The final tape-checking adjustments which happen between overnights and officials are (1) on a commercial channel only (obviously), breaks being stripped out, and (2) timings corrected to the nearest minute, as compared with the nearest five minutes in the tape-checked overnights.
An example of (2) - usually a much smaller effect than (1) - is that on Sunday 28th X Factor ran from 19:59-20:58. The overnight would be for 20:00-21:00 (full-slot and tape-checked would be the same in that case), but the official would be for the exact slot of 19:59-20:58 (and with breaks removed).
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“Any consolidation of the original showing will be cut short by the repeat showing that's about to start...
K”
“Any consolidation of the original showing will be cut short by the repeat showing that's about to start...
K”
This is true, but I think there's been a weekend repeat all series and so the timeshift shouldn't be any more affected than it has been in previous weeks.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“BARB's system cannot know which showing is being played back on PVR, if the audio matches. Such playback goes back to the most recent linear showing that matches. That has long been the case and the BBC will be aware of it.
It was presumably the case when the omnibus was on a Sunday afternoon, but it was less of a problem then, as more of the catch-up had happened by that point, as compared with now when the omnibus is on Friday night. The BBC did (and probably still do) put a distinguishing inaudible code into BBC Three, so that recordings from the main BBC One editions (and iPlayer catch-up viewing via the TV) don't go back to the 22:30 showing, but it looks like this is only done on a channel basis, not a programme basis.
More info here: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=3257”
“BARB's system cannot know which showing is being played back on PVR, if the audio matches. Such playback goes back to the most recent linear showing that matches. That has long been the case and the BBC will be aware of it.
It was presumably the case when the omnibus was on a Sunday afternoon, but it was less of a problem then, as more of the catch-up had happened by that point, as compared with now when the omnibus is on Friday night. The BBC did (and probably still do) put a distinguishing inaudible code into BBC Three, so that recordings from the main BBC One editions (and iPlayer catch-up viewing via the TV) don't go back to the 22:30 showing, but it looks like this is only done on a channel basis, not a programme basis.
More info here: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=3257”
I don't know why they altered the old system of adding the first and second BBC One showings. May as well combine them if they can't distinguish between them.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
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BARB's system cannot know which showing is being played back on PVR, if the audio matches. Such playback goes back to the most recent linear showing that matches. That has long been the case and the BBC will be aware of it.
It was presumably the case when the omnibus was on a Sunday afternoon, but it was less of a problem then, as more of the catch-up had happened by that point, as compared with now when the omnibus is on Friday night. The BBC did (and probably still do) put a distinguishing inaudible code into BBC Three, so that recordings from the main BBC One editions (and iPlayer catch-up viewing via the TV) don't go back to the 22:30 showing, but it looks like this is only done on a channel basis, not a programme basis.
More info here: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=3257”
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BARB's system cannot know which showing is being played back on PVR, if the audio matches. Such playback goes back to the most recent linear showing that matches. That has long been the case and the BBC will be aware of it.
It was presumably the case when the omnibus was on a Sunday afternoon, but it was less of a problem then, as more of the catch-up had happened by that point, as compared with now when the omnibus is on Friday night. The BBC did (and probably still do) put a distinguishing inaudible code into BBC Three, so that recordings from the main BBC One editions (and iPlayer catch-up viewing via the TV) don't go back to the 22:30 showing, but it looks like this is only done on a channel basis, not a programme basis.
More info here: http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...postcount=3257”
I know nothing about the technicalities but my point is that they now acknowledge that what happens is not correct so they should do something about it.
Originally Posted by KennyT:
“Any consolidation of the original showing will be cut short by the repeat showing that's about to start...
K”
“Any consolidation of the original showing will be cut short by the repeat showing that's about to start...
K”
True. But Bake Off has had a same week repeat all series.
Out of interest, is the Eastenders omnibus still around, as last I heard, it was in a graveyard slot on BBC Two. Except on grounds of cheapness and the fact these fill graveyard slots on minor channels, soap omnibuses aren't really needed now and were moved from the two main channels as ratings were so low.
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Out of interest, is the Eastenders omnibus still around, as last I heard, it was in a graveyard slot on BBC Two. Except on grounds of cheapness and the fact these fill graveyard slots on minor channels, soap omnibuses aren't really needed now and were moved from the two main channels as ratings were so low.”
“Out of interest, is the Eastenders omnibus still around, as last I heard, it was in a graveyard slot on BBC Two. Except on grounds of cheapness and the fact these fill graveyard slots on minor channels, soap omnibuses aren't really needed now and were moved from the two main channels as ratings were so low.”
If it were on BBC2 there wouldnt be an issue with BARB. It is in a graveyard slot but on BBC1 although its going to be dropped next year.
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“If it were on BBC2 there wouldnt be an issue with BARB. It is in a graveyard slot but on BBC1 although its going to be dropped next year.”
“If it were on BBC2 there wouldnt be an issue with BARB. It is in a graveyard slot but on BBC1 although its going to be dropped next year.”
I think Family Guy or a film could rate better on BBC One in that slot then EastEnders omnibus.
Does anybody on here think ITV should be using the comedy they have and be commission Xmas specials?
I would love a Benidorm, Birds of a Feather and another Vicious Xmas specials. Viewers want comedy at Christmas and while ITV has two of the biggest, why not use them and mix up their Xmas schedule a bit.
Vicious at 10pm on Chistmas Eve
Birds of a Feather at 8:30pm on Christmas Day
Benidorm 9pm on Boxing Day
Depending on where the BBC put theirs. Move clear from MBB, Miranda and OAH.
I would love a Benidorm, Birds of a Feather and another Vicious Xmas specials. Viewers want comedy at Christmas and while ITV has two of the biggest, why not use them and mix up their Xmas schedule a bit.
Vicious at 10pm on Chistmas Eve
Birds of a Feather at 8:30pm on Christmas Day
Benidorm 9pm on Boxing Day
Depending on where the BBC put theirs. Move clear from MBB, Miranda and OAH.
Bake Off weekend repeat timings on BBC One, and true timeshift (from Broadcast) for the Wednesday episode that preceded each
Sat 9/8 - 11:30 (not shown on Sunday afternoon or Saturday afternoon due to sport)
* true timeshift for Wed 6/8: +1.27m
Sun 17/8 - 16:30
* true timeshift for Wed 13/8: +1.84m
Sun 24/8 - 16:30
* true timeshift for Wed 20/8: +1.76m
Sun 31/8- 16:30
* true timeshift for Wed 27/8: +2.05m
Sun 7/9 - 16:30
* true timeshift for Wed 3/9: +1.63m
Sun 14/9 - 16:30
* true timeshift for Wed 10/9: +1.75m
Sun 21/9 - 15:00
* true timeshift for Wed 17/9: +1.88m
Sun 28/9 - 15:15
* true timeshift for Wed 24/9: +1.49m
* crude timeshift for Wed 24/9: +1.07m
* opt-out on BBC One Scotland on Wed 24/9 (Celtic match)
* overnight dipped -0.4m on previous week
* stripping out Scotland deducted a further -0.4m going by the above
* D.M.N.'s official: Sportscene - BBC One Scotland [19:00 to 21:30]: 442k (22.8%)
* this suggests (all else being equal) that the football rated c. 0.4m in the 20:00 hour, down from c. 0.8m overnight that Bake Off would have got
Sun 5/10 - 16:15
* crude timeshift for Wed 1/10: +1.85m (using official from D.M.N.)
Sat 11/10 - 15:50
* KennyT was right in that showing the repeat today (not tomorrow) will clip back the timeshift further. As mentioned a while back, Class of 2013 plays tomorrow at 16:50 up against the England match. Purely in terms of boosting the Wednesday timeshift, it would have better to throw the repeat against the match tomorrow.
Early in the series D.M.N. was alerting us to big timeshifts for the weekend repeat, and it looks like that first one, on a Saturday morning rather than Sunday afternoon, scooped up several hundred thousand more from the Wednesday timeshift than the later ones. Just shows what must have happened when they moved the EastEnders omnibus from Sundays to Fridays - it swallowed up a lot more timeshift from the main episodes (particularly Friday's main episode).
Sat 9/8 - 11:30 (not shown on Sunday afternoon or Saturday afternoon due to sport)
* true timeshift for Wed 6/8: +1.27m
Sun 17/8 - 16:30
* true timeshift for Wed 13/8: +1.84m
Sun 24/8 - 16:30
* true timeshift for Wed 20/8: +1.76m
Sun 31/8- 16:30
* true timeshift for Wed 27/8: +2.05m
Sun 7/9 - 16:30
* true timeshift for Wed 3/9: +1.63m
Sun 14/9 - 16:30
* true timeshift for Wed 10/9: +1.75m
Sun 21/9 - 15:00
* true timeshift for Wed 17/9: +1.88m
Sun 28/9 - 15:15
* true timeshift for Wed 24/9: +1.49m
* crude timeshift for Wed 24/9: +1.07m
* opt-out on BBC One Scotland on Wed 24/9 (Celtic match)
* overnight dipped -0.4m on previous week
* stripping out Scotland deducted a further -0.4m going by the above
* D.M.N.'s official: Sportscene - BBC One Scotland [19:00 to 21:30]: 442k (22.8%)
* this suggests (all else being equal) that the football rated c. 0.4m in the 20:00 hour, down from c. 0.8m overnight that Bake Off would have got
Sun 5/10 - 16:15
* crude timeshift for Wed 1/10: +1.85m (using official from D.M.N.)
Sat 11/10 - 15:50
* KennyT was right in that showing the repeat today (not tomorrow) will clip back the timeshift further. As mentioned a while back, Class of 2013 plays tomorrow at 16:50 up against the England match. Purely in terms of boosting the Wednesday timeshift, it would have better to throw the repeat against the match tomorrow.
Early in the series D.M.N. was alerting us to big timeshifts for the weekend repeat, and it looks like that first one, on a Saturday morning rather than Sunday afternoon, scooped up several hundred thousand more from the Wednesday timeshift than the later ones. Just shows what must have happened when they moved the EastEnders omnibus from Sundays to Fridays - it swallowed up a lot more timeshift from the main episodes (particularly Friday's main episode).
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“I know nothing about the technicalities but my point is that they now acknowledge that what happens is not correct so they should do something about it.”
“I know nothing about the technicalities but my point is that they now acknowledge that what happens is not correct so they should do something about it.”
I and others have done our best to explain the technicalities. BARB have not acknowledged that what happens is "not correct" - they have simply confirmed an oddity of the audio-matching procedure which has always been the case but which has become more obvious since the omnibus moved days.
The BBC could look into spending money distinguishing the audio of showings on the same channel (as well as showings on different channels, which they already do - e.g. BBC One v BBC Three) but there probably isn't much incentive. They use Live + 7 stats internally which means that all repeats and all timeshift, plus ALL of iPlayer are collated in-house to produce one figure per episode. Those are the figures that will matter most to them.
For me, X Factor is too long tonight, I really like the early live shows but 16 is just too many!
There's a lot of hype around The Apprentice so hopefully that does well
HIGNFY does really well on iPlayer so a lower rating won't worry too much
Does anyone have any ratings on ITV Be last night?
Also, will the 30 day catch up increase iPlayer watches for things like EastEnders much?
There's a lot of hype around The Apprentice so hopefully that does well
HIGNFY does really well on iPlayer so a lower rating won't worry too much
Does anyone have any ratings on ITV Be last night?
Also, will the 30 day catch up increase iPlayer watches for things like EastEnders much?
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“I and others have done our best to explain the technicalities. BARB have not acknowledged that what happens is "not correct" - they have simply confirmed an oddity of the audio-matching procedure which has always been the case but which has become more obvious since the omnibus moved days.
The BBC could look into spending money distinguishing the audio of showings on the same channel (as well as showings on different channels, which they already do - e.g. BBC One v BBC Three) but there probably isn't much incentive. They use Live + 7 stats internally which means that all repeats and all timeshift, plus ALL of iPlayer are collated in-house to produce one figure per episode. Those are the figures that will matter most to them.”
“I and others have done our best to explain the technicalities. BARB have not acknowledged that what happens is "not correct" - they have simply confirmed an oddity of the audio-matching procedure which has always been the case but which has become more obvious since the omnibus moved days.
The BBC could look into spending money distinguishing the audio of showings on the same channel (as well as showings on different channels, which they already do - e.g. BBC One v BBC Three) but there probably isn't much incentive. They use Live + 7 stats internally which means that all repeats and all timeshift, plus ALL of iPlayer are collated in-house to produce one figure per episode. Those are the figures that will matter most to them.”
I know its nothing to do with you Neil but I dont really care what BARB actually admit to or not we know that the result is the ratings for some programs in certain circumstance are not actually correct. This just doesnt affect EE we know XF and now GBBO should be getting higher/slightly higher figures.
It is obvious that the broadcasters dont seem to care much either.
All we can do is keep our eye on the situation and see what happens. Thanks for your input though as without it we probably would never have got as far as we have in this matter.
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“I know its nothing to do with you Neil but I dont really care what BARB actually admit to or not we know that the result is the ratings for some programs in certain circumstance are not actually correct. This just doesnt affect EE we know XF and now GBBO should be getting higher/slightly higher figures.
It is obvious that the broadcasters dont seem to care much either.
All we can do is keep our eye on the situation and see what happens. Thanks for your input though as without it we probably would never have got as far as we have in this matter.”
“I know its nothing to do with you Neil but I dont really care what BARB actually admit to or not we know that the result is the ratings for some programs in certain circumstance are not actually correct. This just doesnt affect EE we know XF and now GBBO should be getting higher/slightly higher figures.
It is obvious that the broadcasters dont seem to care much either.
All we can do is keep our eye on the situation and see what happens. Thanks for your input though as without it we probably would never have got as far as we have in this matter.”
I have to admit that I do wonder if all audience figures are actually higher than displayed by BARB. There are 64m people in this country - is it fair to say that 52m did not watch Bake Off on Wednesday? That only a sixth of the population tune in to Strictly and The X Factor? Shows seem undersold now but on the flip side it's fair across the board on that score.
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“I know its nothing to do with you Neil but I dont really care what BARB actually admit to or not we know that the result is the ratings for some programs in certain circumstance are not actually correct. This just doesnt affect EE we know XF and now GBBO should be getting higher/slightly higher figures.
It is obvious that the broadcasters dont seem to care much either.
All we can do is keep our eye on the situation and see what happens. Thanks for your input though as without it we probably would never have got as far as we have in this matter.”
“I know its nothing to do with you Neil but I dont really care what BARB actually admit to or not we know that the result is the ratings for some programs in certain circumstance are not actually correct. This just doesnt affect EE we know XF and now GBBO should be getting higher/slightly higher figures.
It is obvious that the broadcasters dont seem to care much either.
All we can do is keep our eye on the situation and see what happens. Thanks for your input though as without it we probably would never have got as far as we have in this matter.”
As I posted the other day, BARB's reply to me implicitly confirmed that X Factor, and by logical extension almost every other programme on commercial TV, CANNOT be affected by this anomaly, because they carry adverts.
I've explained just now why the BBC wouldn't care much. And commercial broadcasters won't care because it doesn't affect them.
In order to rectify the program at BARB (which the broadcasters and advertisers own, by the way) you'd need to scrap the whole audio-matching procedure and come up with something else. I'm not sure what that could be. Visual matching wouldn't be any better as there would still be a full match.
In order to rectify it at the BBC end, they'd need to distinguish individual repeat showings of episodes on the same channel with inaudible codes, which sounds like a big and expensive undertaking. I can see why they don't, when they've got Live +7 stats which include repeats anyway.
Anyway, you're welcome - at least we know what to look out for now.
Originally Posted by tobi:
“Appealing to OAP's seems to be the way to go! Look at Strictly, the GBBO and the One Show!”
“Appealing to OAP's seems to be the way to go! Look at Strictly, the GBBO and the One Show!”
Not this again. GBBO had a widespread appeal across all generations, that's one of the reasons it's become so remarkable.
Originally Posted by ronant:
“A scheduling change for BBC1 tonight, print listings show -
8.35 Doctor Who
9.20 Casualty
10.10 Lottery
It is now -
8.35 Doctor Who
9.25 Lottery
9.35 Casualty
Then the rest of the schedule 5 minutes later than originally billed.”
“A scheduling change for BBC1 tonight, print listings show -
8.35 Doctor Who
9.20 Casualty
10.10 Lottery
It is now -
8.35 Doctor Who
9.25 Lottery
9.35 Casualty
Then the rest of the schedule 5 minutes later than originally billed.”
Wonder what happened to suddenly make DW five minutes longer? Another Missy scene?
Originally Posted by hyperstarsponge:
“I think Family Guy or a film could rate better on BBC One in that slot then EastEnders omnibus.”
“I think Family Guy or a film could rate better on BBC One in that slot then EastEnders omnibus.”
There are rules around imported content which I think might prohibit that??
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“If it were on BBC2 there wouldnt be an issue with BARB. It is in a graveyard slot but on BBC1 although its going to be dropped next year.”
“If it were on BBC2 there wouldnt be an issue with BARB. It is in a graveyard slot but on BBC1 although its going to be dropped next year.”
ITV moved their omnibuses to graveyard slots on ITV 2 as so few people were watching and the Hollyoaks omnibus has been axed by Channel 4. With the I Player and repeats during the week, soap omnibuses are irrelevant now. However, the famous 30 million EE achieved in 1986 included 9 million who watched the omnibus.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“As I posted the other day, BARB's reply to me implicitly confirmed that X Factor, and by logical extension almost every other programme on commercial TV, CANNOT be affected by this anomaly, because they carry adverts.
I've explained just now why the BBC wouldn't care much. And commercial broadcasters won't care because it doesn't affect them.
In order to rectify the program at BARB (which the broadcasters and advertisers own, by the way) you'd need to scrap the whole audio-matching procedure and come up with something else. I'm not sure what that could be. Visual matching wouldn't be any better as there would still be a full match.
In order to rectify it at the BBC end, they'd need to distinguish individual showings of episodes on the same channel with inaudible codes, which sounds like a big and expensive undertaking. I can see why they don't, when they've got Live +7 stats which include repeats anyway.”
“As I posted the other day, BARB's reply to me implicitly confirmed that X Factor, and by logical extension almost every other programme on commercial TV, CANNOT be affected by this anomaly, because they carry adverts.
I've explained just now why the BBC wouldn't care much. And commercial broadcasters won't care because it doesn't affect them.
In order to rectify the program at BARB (which the broadcasters and advertisers own, by the way) you'd need to scrap the whole audio-matching procedure and come up with something else. I'm not sure what that could be. Visual matching wouldn't be any better as there would still be a full match.
In order to rectify it at the BBC end, they'd need to distinguish individual showings of episodes on the same channel with inaudible codes, which sounds like a big and expensive undertaking. I can see why they don't, when they've got Live +7 stats which include repeats anyway.”
I must have missed your post about ITV the other day so that has at least cleared that up. Just one question though if its all audio matching is there no day/time information conveyed to BARB ever. I mean every time I record something the date/time is recorded by my humble box so dont BARB boxes do the same?
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Would I Lie to You? - overnight ratings update
Series 7
3/5/13 - 2.83m (12.8%)
10/5/13 - 2.88m (12.2%)
17/5/13 - 2.85m (12.9%)
24/5/13 - 2.64m (12.0%)
31/5/13 - 2.63m (11.7%)
14/6/13 - 2.55m (11.7%)
21/6/13 - 2.93m (13.8%)
28/6/13 - 3.17m (14.7%)
Series 8
12/9/14 - 2.79m (13.6%)
19/9/14 - 3.12m (14.7%)
26/9/14 - 3.33m (15.4%)
3/10/14 - 3.18m (15.4%)
10/10/14 - 3.35m (15.6%) ”
“Would I Lie to You? - overnight ratings update
Series 7
3/5/13 - 2.83m (12.8%)
10/5/13 - 2.88m (12.2%)
17/5/13 - 2.85m (12.9%)
24/5/13 - 2.64m (12.0%)
31/5/13 - 2.63m (11.7%)
14/6/13 - 2.55m (11.7%)
21/6/13 - 2.93m (13.8%)
28/6/13 - 3.17m (14.7%)
Series 8
12/9/14 - 2.79m (13.6%)
19/9/14 - 3.12m (14.7%)
26/9/14 - 3.33m (15.4%)
3/10/14 - 3.18m (15.4%)
10/10/14 - 3.35m (15.6%) ”
Really good to see this going well, I remember the christmas special did pretty well last year on monday.
It's a definite keeper. Room 101 did brilliantly earlier in the year as well.
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“I must have missed your post about ITV the other day so that has at least cleared that up. Just one question though if its all audio matching is there no day/time information conveyed to BARB ever. I mean every time I record something the date/time is recorded by my humble box so dont BARB boxes do the same?”
“I must have missed your post about ITV the other day so that has at least cleared that up. Just one question though if its all audio matching is there no day/time information conveyed to BARB ever. I mean every time I record something the date/time is recorded by my humble box so dont BARB boxes do the same?”
Originally I assumed it worked like that, and then I learned that it was done by audio-matching. I imagine it must be too difficult/expensive to create gadgets that interface with all the million and one different recording devices there are, to detect the time of recording. From BARB's email it sounds like they can't distinguish between iPlayer-via-the-TV and PVR playback either. (The BBC can see the number of iPlayer requests at their end of course, and usually know the platform it's come from, but that wouldn't be Gold Standard data.)
Originally Posted by Fudd:
“I have to admit that I do wonder if all audience figures are actually higher than displayed by BARB. There are 64m people in this country - is it fair to say that 52m did not watch Bake Off on Wednesday? That only a sixth of the population tune in to Strictly and The X Factor? Show seem undersold now but on the flip side it's fair across the board on that score.”
“I have to admit that I do wonder if all audience figures are actually higher than displayed by BARB. There are 64m people in this country - is it fair to say that 52m did not watch Bake Off on Wednesday? That only a sixth of the population tune in to Strictly and The X Factor? Show seem undersold now but on the flip side it's fair across the board on that score.”
I kind of tend to agree.
They are, and only ever will be, a representative guess IMO. I wish there was a way to know more exact numbers. It's sad to think some shows have been axed/given up on by networks because of ratings that mightn't have been so accurate.
Originally Posted by James J:
“I kind of tend to agree.
They are, and only ever will be, a representative guess IMO. I wish there was a way to know more exact numbers. It's sad to think some shows have been axed/given up on by networks because of ratings that mightn't have been so accurate.”
“I kind of tend to agree.
They are, and only ever will be, a representative guess IMO. I wish there was a way to know more exact numbers. It's sad to think some shows have been axed/given up on by networks because of ratings that mightn't have been so accurate.”
I'm not so sure about that as it'd be the same for every show. I think BARB's figures are pretty accurate in terms of a representation (i.e. Bake Off was watched by more people than any other show this week/Strictly pulls in more viewers than The X Factor) if not in actual figures. If every show saw an increase then the broadcasters would still look to drop the lower rating programming.
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