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Old 11-10-2014, 18:25
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ITV moved their omnibuses to graveyard slots on ITV 2 as so few people were watching and the Hollyoaks omnibus has been axed by Channel 4. With the I Player and repeats during the week, soap omnibuses are irrelevant now. However, the famous 30 million EE achieved in 1986 included 9 million who watched the omnibus.
No, it moved to E4.

Omnibuses serve their purpose. As someone who repeatedly blasts shows with no repeat value, I'd expect you to be in favour if anything.

Couldn't be that you simply don't like soap operas and want to see less of them, could it?
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:25
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Agreed. It may be horrible but if it does something to prevent this happening further, I'm not against it. There is a fine line though and I think the producers need to be careful not to scare people away from the show.

Was there a warning before the programme it contained distressing imagery I wonder.
The did mention before that it contained 'somes very distressing scenes some viewers may find upsetting'.

Which is stupid because it's something EVERY viewer should have found upsetting.
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:26
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BARB's system cannot know which showing is being played back on PVR, if the audio matches. Such playback goes back to the most recent linear showing that matches. That has long been the case and the BBC will be aware of it.
Apologies for dragging this up again, but I remember reading previously that catch-up was distributed proportionally between the showings (so if the live figures were 9m for original and 1m for omnibus then each viewer watching after the second showing would add 0.9 viewers to the original and 0.1 to the omnibus).

Was this just a DS theory that's incorrect? And if so, I wonder why BARB don't implement it - cost shouldn't be too big, it's just a software change rather than changing audio codes etc.
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:28
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I have to admit that I do wonder if all audience figures are actually higher than displayed by BARB. There are 64m people in this country - is it fair to say that 52m did not watch Bake Off on Wednesday? That only a sixth of the population tune in to Strictly and The X Factor? Shows seem undersold now but on the flip side it's fair across the board on that score.
I kind of tend to agree.

They are, and only ever will be, a representative guess IMO. I wish there was a way to know more exact numbers. It's sad to think some shows have been axed/given up on by networks because of ratings that mightn't have been so accurate.
We'll never know true ratings unless we are all given BARB boxes. But much like opinion polls, if you get the sample right you get a good idea of what people like.

I think the problem now is tablet/smartphone/PC viewing of television. BARB should be working quicker to find a method that works and most importantly getting it included as part of weekly ratings. Some programmes would see huge boosts.
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:29
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I have to admit that I do wonder if all audience figures are actually higher than displayed by BARB. There are 64m people in this country - is it fair to say that 52m did not watch Bake Off on Wednesday? That only a sixth of the population tune in to Strictly and The X Factor? Shows seem undersold now but on the flip side it's fair across the board on that score.
The BARB 'universe' is 58.55m individuals, as it excludes the under-4s and also (I think) anyone living in a prison or nursing home, for instance.
http://www.barb.co.uk/trendspotting/data/universes?_s=4

12.3m on average watched Bake Off, but the total reach will be higher. When 7-day timeshift is added the average might be around 14m (if you add in the anomalous part of today's repeat rating!), and the reach will be higher still. And the reach across the whole series would be even higher again. Probably almost a third of the BARB universe have seen some Bake Off this year.

With all the many different options available today, on-screen and off, I think it's more remarkable that it's still possible to get figures that high.
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:29
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The did mention before that it contained 'somes very distressing scenes some viewers may find upsetting'.

Which is stupid because it's something EVERY viewer should have found upsetting.
There was no need to cover a show like this on Gogglebox. It's not why 3 million are tuning in, frankly.

If it wasn't a C4 show would it have been featured? Probably not I'd guess.
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:32
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What if some of the BARB users are, forgive me, biased... and TV savvy?

"Oh I hate this Bake Off shit, I'm not registering that I'm watching it."

I don't know how the system works though so it might not be possible for them to do that.

And obviously even if it was the case I'm sure it wouldn't make a difference out of the thousands of people. It's just a thought.
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:38
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Apologies for dragging this up again, but I remember reading previously that catch-up was distributed proportionally between the showings (so if the live figures were 9m for original and 1m for omnibus then each viewer watching after the second showing would add 0.9 viewers to the original and 0.1 to the omnibus).

Was this just a DS theory that's incorrect? And if so, I wonder why BARB don't implement it - cost shouldn't be too big, it's just a software change rather than changing audio codes etc.
This does ring a bell actually, although I'm not sure who stated that. I wonder if you could find the relevant post? If it ever was the case, it's not now, as BARB have confirmed that it's done by allocating playback to the most recent linear showing.

It's an interesting idea certainly.
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:39
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What if some of the BARB users are, forgive me, biased... and TV savvy?

"Oh I hate this Bake Off shit, I'm not registering that I'm watching it."

I don't know how the system works though so it might not be possible for them to do that.

And obviously even if it was the case I'm sure it wouldn't make a difference out of the thousands of people. It's just a thought.
"What procedures are there to ensure that the data collected from panel households is correct?
Quality control procedures are carried out on a continuous basis to ensure that the panel members are following the correct procedures. Telephone checks are made to panel homes to verify that excessive viewing to one particular channel or nil viewing is genuine viewing behaviour, for example."
Source: http://www.barb.co.uk/resources/barb-facts/faq
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:43
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"What procedures are there to ensure that the data collected from panel households is correct?
Quality control procedures are carried out on a continuous basis to ensure that the panel members are following the correct procedures. Telephone checks are made to panel homes to verify that excessive viewing to one particular channel or nil viewing is genuine viewing behaviour, for example."
Source: http://www.barb.co.uk/resources/barb-facts/faq
Wouldn't stop some of the people on this thread if they had a BARB box....

"Oh yes, I do like to watch Super Casino and the Sunday afternoon film on Itv but I've never seen an episode of The X Factor or Coro in my life!"

In all seriousness I really don't see how a phone call can help them ascertain "genuine viewing behaviour" to be honest. What do they say? "We notice you never watch Channel 4, why is this?" "I just don't" "Okay"
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:50
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XF could end up getting its worst live show rating in years for tonight's episode. A full hour clash against SCD, it will get battered during the overlap!
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:54
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Does anybody on here think ITV should be using the comedy they have and be commission Xmas specials?
There is actually a conspiracy theory doing the rounds that Itv will air Birds Of A Feather on Christmas Day. Here is why this theory has materialised:

Insider information from Itv says that there will be a Christmas SPECIAL: http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/355957

Birds of a Feather Christmas Special

Man-eating Dorien, and comical sisters Tracey and Sharon are reunited after 15 years for this brand new hilarious series.

The show follows two sisters, Linda Robson and Pauline Quirke, and their man-eating neighbour, Lesley Joseph, as they share a home in the posh Essex town of Chigwell after their husbands are sent to prison.

The show was first launched 24 years ago and is now being revived and has been written by the original creators Laurence Marks and Maurice Gran.

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Itv are trying to attack the BBC's programming this Chrismas Day, putting this spanner into the works.
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:55
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There is actually a conspiracy theory doing the rounds that Itv will air Birds Of A Feather on Christmas Day.
How is that a conspiracy theory, for goodness sake. It's on the ITV Media website which undoubtedly you have been sifting through for whatever purpose you've set your mind to today.

if it were up to you ITV would air a testcard on Christmas Day, in fact every day. Have you ever wondered what you'd do with your life if it just stopped broadcasting? Would you feel a sense of emptiness?


As for your X Factor comments above you brazenly predicted Lewis would get its worst ever rating last night. it didn't. You need to brush up your psychic abilities.
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Old 11-10-2014, 18:59
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In further news, look at how Itv are airing All Star Family Fortunes next year:

•5 x 60 min episodes
•5 x 45 min episodes
•Weekend Peak on ITV

Quite strange that half the series is 45min episodes and half is 60mins. In previous years, they've been 45mins wrapped around Dancing on Ice. My theory is it will air at 18:45/19:00 on Sunday nights and following it at 19:30 or 20:00 will be that awful sounding new show called Get Your Act Together [some episodes longer than other due to number of contestants reducing]. Call The Midwife will absolutely thrash it in the ratings and we are potentially looking at a massive turnaround from Itv's glory days of dominating Sunday night ratings.
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:02
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As for your X Factor comments above you brazenly predicted Lewis would get its worst ever rating last night. it didn't. You need to brush up your psychic abilities.
The only worse rating run previously were episodes on a Wednesdays night in June. I'd forgotten it'd aired in the depths of summer previously. Still, it was close to a record low rating for the show and will probably dip below 5m soon.
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:03
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1DWBKk5xHQ

I dedicate this song to you Samuel.

Thank you for your average of 8 posts a day since 2012, brightening up the forum with your tireless agenda.

Re: Birds above, you have a problem with ITV trying to 'attack' the BBC whereas it's supposedly clever for the BBC to do so? As you've said outright? 'yay that should help the BBC decimate Itv'


In other news, hope ratings across the board are high tonight. Would be nice for some high ratings for everyone tonight. Of course wanting everything to do well makes me a boring forum member because I don't set out to attack one network and have the gall to defend anything from unwarranted relentless waffle cakes.

Also big episodes of both Emmerdale and Corrie next week which are both being trailed with decent trailers. Hopefully should be a good week for the soaps on ITV and thus help EastEnders up as well, which deserves to be over 7m regularly for being truly excellent lately.
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:05
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1DWBKk5xHQ


In other news, hope ratings across the board are high tonight. Would be nice for some high ratings for everyone tonight.
I think they are all bound to be up, surely? Especially would like to see DW get a bit of a boost as I really think it deserves it.
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:07
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I think they are all bound to be up, surely? Especially would like to see DW get a bit of a boost as I really think it deserves it.
Same here.
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:07
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Poor old David Tennant. He's gone to America twice as the main actor of a show and both times he's flopped. Rex is NotYour Lawyer a few years ago didnt even get picked up. And Gracepoint has become one of the biggest drama flops in broadcast history, falling to a 0.9 rating for its second episode. Not good news for Tennant.
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:09
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^ Remove that MAJOR Broadchurch 2 spoiler, you selfish, selfish person.

Edit: You've removed it, but my eyes still saw it. Ugh, you never cease to amaze me.
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:10
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There is actually a conspiracy theory doing the rounds that Itv will air Birds Of A Feather on Christmas Day. Here is why this theory has materialised:

Insider information from Itv says that there will be a Christmas SPECIAL: http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/355957

Birds of a Feather Christmas Special

Man-eating Dorien, and comical sisters Tracey and Sharon are reunited after 15 years for this brand new hilarious series.

The show follows two sisters, Linda Robson and Pauline Quirke, and their man-eating neighbour, Lesley Joseph, as they share a home in the posh Essex town of Chigwell after their husbands are sent to prison.

The show was first launched 24 years ago and is now being revived and has been written by the original creators Laurence Marks and Maurice Gran.

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Itv are trying to attack the BBC's programming this Chrismas Day, putting this spanner into the works.
Where in that article does it say that ITV will show Birds on Christmas Day?
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:10
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Where in that article does it say that ITV will show Birds on Christmas Day?
Nowhere. That's the "conspiracy theory doing the rounds" ... in his head.
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:11
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^ Remove that MAJOR Broadchurch 2 spoiler, you selfish, selfish person.
CHILLAX! Nothing's been confirmed or reported. Tennant speculated in an interview himself, that would possibly happen.
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:11
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There is actually a conspiracy theory doing the rounds that Itv will air Birds Of A Feather on Christmas Day. Here is why this theory has materialised:

Insider information from Itv says that there will be a Christmas SPECIAL: http://www.itvmedia.co.uk/355957

Birds of a Feather Christmas Special

Man-eating Dorien, and comical sisters Tracey and Sharon are reunited after 15 years for this brand new hilarious series.

The show follows two sisters, Linda Robson and Pauline Quirke, and their man-eating neighbour, Lesley Joseph, as they share a home in the posh Essex town of Chigwell after their husbands are sent to prison.

The show was first launched 24 years ago and is now being revived and has been written by the original creators Laurence Marks and Maurice Gran.

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Itv are trying to attack the BBC's programming this Chrismas Day, putting this spanner into the works.
I don't think BOAF would be much of a threat on Christmas Day tbh, I think its already peaked and I don't think the second series will fly as high.
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Old 11-10-2014, 19:13
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Wouldn't stop some of the people on this thread if they had a BARB box....

"Oh yes, I do like to watch Super Casino and the Sunday afternoon film on Itv but I've never seen an episode of The X Factor or Coro in my life!"

In all seriousness I really don't see how a phone call can help them ascertain "genuine viewing behaviour" to be honest. What do they say? "We notice you never watch Channel 4, why is this?" "I just don't" "Okay"
A friend of a relative's had a BARB box many years ago. She once accidentally forgot to press the button when she left the room, so it appeared that she had been watching a channel right through the night for 14 hours or something. She got a phone call from BARB asking if this was correct. Shamefully she lied and said it was correct, fearing they might take her off the panel if she admitted her mistake (and lose the ongoing £).
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