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The Ratings Thread (Part 62)
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wizzywick
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“A recurring cast of players perform sketches satirising topical events, along with a different 'personality' each week who not only joins in with the sketches but performs an opening monologue and then acts as a 'host'. There is also a 'special guest musician' who performs whatever they're promoting - like X Factor but in multiple blocks. There is also a house band, and often the sketches include cameo appearances by other celebrities. It's possibly a bit adult for 8pm but after 9pm it'd be great if they did it right.”

So, Mock The Week with Russell Howard with frills? I'm not sure that would actually work in the UK on Saturday nights. If a TV channel wants 5m on a Saturday night, stick on a decent Movie Premiere. Warhorse proved that if the film is good enough, people will watch it.
Zac Quinn
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“So, Mock The Week with Russell Howard with frills?.”

Not really. Maybe I didn't explain it very well. It's difficult to compare it to anything on UK TV but if The Graham Norton Show had a different host each week, a longer opening speech, parody sketches instead of a sofa of guests, the musicians performing twice and a more classy studio. With a live house band playing in and out of the ad breaks. Ish.
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“If a TV channel wants 5m on a Saturday night, stick on a decent Movie Premiere. Warhorse proved that if the film is good enough, people will watch it.”

They'd find it very difficult (and expensive) to get a premiere every Saturday night from August through to mid-December. If ITV went down the movies route you know full well they'd just end up showing the Harry Potter series in full even more times a year than they do already and nobody wants that
JordyD
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by wizzywick:
“If a TV channel wants 5m on a Saturday night, stick on a decent Movie Premiere.”

I wish ITV would do this. I'd be a lot more likely to watch than endless repeats of YBF and would save them to bother of being creative

The trouble is, with ITV they put any films on around tea time and it's always kids orientated films like Harry Potter and Scooby Doo.
Glenn A
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“I'll go 8.5m. More interesting will be the peak - could it be set for a decline of 10m in just four years?”

2009 and 2010 were helped by the terrible weather, most of the country was snowbound. Tomorrow night it's cold but reasonably dry with no snow. Again this will tempt people out with Christmas parties and the like. However, a more likely explanation for TXF's decline of the last four years is probably it's stale and overkilled. Even the redtops have been less favourable this time.
wizzywick
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“Not really. Maybe I didn't explain it very well. It's difficult to compare it to anything on UK TV but if The Graham Norton Show had a different host each week, a longer opening speech, parody sketches instead of a sofa of guests, the musicians performing twice and a more classy studio. With a live house band playing in and out of the ad breaks. Ish.
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What difference does having a "classy studio" make? I don't ever notice what the appearance of a studio is like unless it's really garish! I always thought Graham Norton's studio was pretty nice. It befits the style of the show very well.
davey_wavey
12-12-2014
Not surprised that Question Time was up last night, I watched and it was quite dramatic at times!
Glenn A
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by davey_wavey:
“Not surprised thar Question Time was up last night, I watched and it was quite dramatic at times!”

Well Russell Brand and Nigel Farage are hardly spin doctor creations. Also the presence of parties like UKIP and the SNP has sharpened up the debate.
C14E
12-12-2014
Massive sigh of relief for ITV and the BRITS then - after a dismal year for the BRIT awards ratings the BBC couldn't have timed it better to launch a competitor. But less than 4m after all the promotion looks weak (and it's not cheap to do these big events either). On the other hand, they've put so much into it that they'll no doubt stick with it for next year. As for the young audience argument, it wouldn't surprise me if Strictly had more 16-34's than the music awards this week. The total is so low and the profile will never be that young on BBC1.

They obviously called in all their favours using BBC Radio but having all these acts there doesn't mean much if they're just rehashing (or doing poorer versions of) performances from X Factor or Royal Variety in recent weeks. The whole thing was just a bit uneventful.

The BRITS now has a chance to turn it around. Ant & Dec are a good start for that. But after last years poor show they need to knock it out the park and get back above 5m.
dan2008
12-12-2014
EastEnders Christmas Trailer

Could give the show a boost. It's Dramatic but short and sweet.
seansnotmyname@
12-12-2014
SNL is only around because it's tradition in the states, and it genuinely get A list stars. Over here it would get Cheryl Cole and McBusted on.

That's a bit flippant, but has it ever really worked in another country? In the end it works in the states because they have a tradition of very late-time shows, their chat shows and SNL go out really late. It can be risque because it starts at 11.30, make it earlier and it's pointless.
seansnotmyname@
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Glenn A:
“Well Russell Brand and Nigel Farage are hardly spin doctor creations. Also the presence of parties like UKIP and the SNP has sharpened up the debate.”

Or dulled it down to the point of blunt idiocy......
Zac Quinn
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Massive sigh of relief for ITV and the BRITS then”

I hadn't thought about it from the perspective of the BRITs. The BBC Music Awards figure looks a bit better when you realise it's more than the BRITs, the 'established' version, got this year!
Glenn A
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“I hadn't thought about it from the perspective of the BRITs. The BBC Music Awards figure looks a bit better when you realise it's more than the BRITs, the 'established' version, got this year!”

Still poor when you consider the BPI awards, the forerunner to the Brits, used to attract a combined audience of 100 million across Europe, and 10 million of those in Britain. Of course, Sam Fox and Mick Fleetwood came close to killing the awards in 1989.
Score
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“I hadn't thought about it from the perspective of the BRITs. The BBC Music Awards figure looks a bit better when you realise it's more than the BRITs, the 'established' version, got this year!”

The Brits got 4.6m this year, the BBC show got 3.9m. This was a really bad year for The Brits too. In 2013 The Brits got 6.5m, in 2012 it was 6.2m. With Ant & Dec helming I'd expect The Brits to be over 5m at least this time.
NeilVW
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“I hadn't thought about it from the perspective of the BRITs. The BBC Music Awards figure looks a bit better when you realise it's more than the BRITs, the 'established' version, got this year!”

Not quite; the BRITs achieved an average of 4.20m (18.4%) / 4.56m (20.0%) (exc/inc +1).

The BBC Music Awards' average of 3.94m (18.3%) almost matched the BRITs in share excluding +1 though.
Zac Quinn
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Score:
“The Brits got 4.6m this year, the BBC show got 3.9m. This was a really bad year for The Brits too. In 2013 The Brits got 6.5m, in 2012 it was 6.2m. With Ant & Dec helming I'd expect The Brits to be over 5m at least this time.”

Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Not quite; the BRITs achieved an average of 4.20m (18.4%) / 4.56m (20.0%) (exc/inc +1).

The BBC Music Awards' average of 3.94m (18.3%) almost matched the BRITs in share excluding +1 though.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_Aw...iewing_figures

That's the last time I go on wikipedia for archive ratings!
dan2008
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Score:
“The Brits got 4.6m this year, the BBC show got 3.9m. This was a really bad year for The Brits too. In 2013 The Brits got 6.5m, in 2012 it was 6.2m. With Ant & Dec helming I'd expect The Brits to be over 5m at least this time.”

I watched the Brits every year since the the early-mid 90's but I've not watched the last couple as James Corden really was a terrible host. Ant & Dec will bring me and other viewers back I reckon.
cylon6
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by C14E:
“Massive sigh of relief for ITV and the BRITS then - after a dismal year for the BRIT awards ratings the BBC couldn't have timed it better to launch a competitor. But less than 4m after all the promotion looks weak (and it's not cheap to do these big events either). On the other hand, they've put so much into it that they'll no doubt stick with it for next year. As for the young audience argument, it wouldn't surprise me if Strictly had more 16-34's than the music awards this week. The total is so low and the profile will never be that young on BBC1.

They obviously called in all their favours using BBC Radio but having all these acts there doesn't mean much if they're just rehashing (or doing poorer versions of) performances from X Factor or Royal Variety in recent weeks. The whole thing was just a bit uneventful.

The BRITS now has a chance to turn it around. Ant & Dec are a good start for that. But after last years poor show they need to knock it out the park and get back above 5m.”

The timing of the BBC Music Awards is all wrong.

Thursday is a dead day of TV most weeks, it clashed with Emmerdale and worst of all it's in the same week as The X Factor final. All of that worked against is.
Tindie_Bais
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“EastEnders Christmas Trailer

Could give the show a boost. It's Dramatic but short and sweet.”

Looks really good Acton packed !
Hope bbc advertise it like crazy , should air after tonight's .ep

I hope Eastenders version of Google box , I in bbc 3 instead of i player
Aurora13
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by seansnotmyname@:
“Or dulled it down to the point of blunt idiocy......”

Dangerous times.
dan2008
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Tindie_Bais:
“Looks really good Acton packed !
Hope bbc advertise it like crazy , should air after tonight's .ep

I hope Eastenders version of Google box , I in bbc 3 instead of i player”

The Stunt was a shock which no-one knew of until They saw the trailer and i'm hearing there's supposed to be a shock death too.

I like the EastEnders 30th Birthday plans already.
yorkie100
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Not quite; the BRITs achieved an average of 4.20m (18.4%) / 4.56m (20.0%) (exc/inc +1).

The BBC Music Awards' average of 3.94m (18.3%) almost matched the BRITs in share excluding +1 though.”

Once again you give us some facts. Compared to The Brits thats not bad for the BBC Awards but both are frankly low for what they aspire to.
cylon6
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“A recurring cast of players perform sketches satirising topical events, along with a different 'personality' each week who not only joins in with the sketches but performs an opening monologue and then acts as a 'host'. There is also a 'special guest musician' who performs whatever they're promoting - like X Factor but in multiple blocks. There is also a house band, and often the sketches include cameo appearances by other celebrities. It's possibly a bit adult for 8pm but after 9pm it'd be great if they did it right.”

That was the Friday Night Project sort of.
Glenn A
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“The timing of the BBC Music Awards is all wrong.

Thursday is a dead day of TV most weeks, it clashed with Emmerdale and worst of all it's in the same week as The X Factor final. All of that worked against is.”

Emmerdale is hardly an all conquering show these days, with ratings below 6 million. I'm sure some really strong competition on BBC One could dent it badly and also most younger viewers would much rather watch music awards than an old skewing soap.
H of De Vil
12-12-2014
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“The Stunt was a shock which no-one knew of until They saw the trailer and i'm hearing there's supposed to be a shock death too.

I like the EastEnders 30th Birthday plans already.”

Well that's ruined the 'shock' element now.
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