Whats wrong with GMB trails? Not that I have seen any but what are they doing thats so bad?

With regards to Grantchester maybe its the source material. Somebody did post on here that they didnt think the books were much to write home about especially the plots.

Wow! Look at those figures for Gotham!
And I missed it.
I hope they repeat first episode so i can catch up.

Surely its on Demand 5 if you want to catch up.

I looked for it about an hour ago on Demand 5 cos I wanted to catch up, but it hasn't been uploaded yet

It has I watched it last night.

Oh and look, with a decent lead in The Chase is only 140k behind Pointless

Flog It 1.9m
Pointless 3.36m

Tipping Point 1.5m
The Chase 3.22m

A rise of 600k for the 4pm programme has given TC a decent lead in and a boost. Tipping Point should rise, with TC following suite.

The Goldbergs I imagine will be something for Comedy Central but it seems to be doing well.

It's funny that drama is fast tracked but not comedy, Big Bang Theory and 2 Broke Girls air a month after the US airing but not a day or week after. I wonder if it's because comedy doesn't have the same buzz that a drama like Walking Dead or Game of Thrones have.

Comedy does seem to be succeeding somewhat on broadcast whether cable hasn't had a huge hit since Sex and the City and Entourage. Girls,Veep, Episodes, House of Lies etc are critically acclaimed but they barely crack a 1m

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7sdBRuU397Y

Its just cringe fest. Nobody is seriously going to tune into a breakfast show running trails.

They are literally in a hole they can't get out of.

No point changing again. If I were them. I would take away the desk and go back to a sofa. The hardness of the desk makes it less viewer friendly.

Oops found it now. Thanks H

I'm not sure what this tells us. Doctor Who has a core audience but following Strictly and being in the Autumn hasn't boosted the programme significantly. Does it even help BBC1 that much? Should a programme that can hold onto Strictly's audience better and have a bigger live audience be looked for to go there? Would 2016 be better for it sitting alongside The Voice?

I have no answers but they're interesting questions.

I watched it last night on Demand 5 through my Sky+ box. The episode was already up after around 10 minutes of the broadcast on Channel 5.

And they say lead-ins aren't important! Flog It was certainly boosting Pointless compared to Taste Of Britain too.

Logistically how would that work? This is always my problem when people point at services like Netflix and wonder if they're the future. I just don't see how that model works on a mass scale. Would all non-BBC content end up behind a pay wall? And wouldn't that in fact be multiple pay walls with each broadcaster having their own subscription service? Or perhaps it would be a subscription service through production companies instead because why wouldn't they just sell their content directly to the consumer in that scenario? Or are we thinking it would effectively be Netflix with ads? Is Netflix with ads viable? I just don't get how all these parts fit together.

The bigger concern still though would be content issues. I suspect if we moved to a Netflix like situation (whatever form that might take) there would be a dramatic reduction in original content and a dramatic reduction in the types of shows being made. Without the entire day to fill and the entire year to schedule we're going to see a lot less content produced. Plus if its all on demand services how do entertainment shows like The X Factor or Strictly function? How do entertainment formats more generally do in that kind of model? Netflix have the Chelsea Handler talk show coming up which might give us a better indication on that I suppose. Also worthy of mention is how utterly dependent on other people's content a service like Netflix is. Its hard to imagine a situation with that kind of content sharing happening if we move away from traditional broadcasters to some kind of Netflix system. Surely ITV would want to keep all of their content to themselves in that scenario? And surely they'd need to otherwise it would be a pretty poor line-up of on demand viewing.

Indeed

A Taste Of Britain wasn't leading into Pointless. It started at 3:45pm and was on until 4:30pm. Antiques shows have always led into Pointless.

Given that Big Bang Theory repeats on E4 are capable of pulling over a million its fairly easy to see why no one is rushing to fast track it or indeed comedy in general. Comedy just tends to be infinitely more repeatable than drama (particularly successful comedies) so chances are even if the audience has already seen the new episodes of Big Bang Theory and the like they won't entirely mind watching them for a second time a month or two later on E4. Even just look at domestic comedy this basic principle holds true. Its hard to imagine a BBC1 drama repeating as well as Mrs Brown's Boys and Miranda have done (and still do) for BBC1.

The problem comedy has on cable in the US is that the strategy that worked so well for these networks in establishing a drama foothold doesn't really work for comedy. Successful comedies all tend to be pretty broad so the more nuanced and risky stuff that works so well for cable drama just doesn't catch on for cable comedy. Although at the same time you've got the likes of TBS and ABC Family that are making the much broader more network friendly stuff and finding some degree of success with it. And Curb Your Enthusiasm does fairly well for HBO if I remember rightly.


Doctor Who continues to be a conundrum with no obvious answers. Not that its obviously a problem either. Its just a very tricky show.

The stories in the books are very light, I don't think there was a murder in the story that was the source of last night's episode but they added one in, but they have charm which makes you overlook that, and the series has failed to capture that. The series is trying too hard to prove it's not your average ITV mystery, like how they've added snippets of sex scenes and close ups on dead bodies to try and create an edge that just isn't there. I think this is why Father Brown works so well in daytime, it's gives it the freedom to just be what it wants without needing to prove itself worthy of a post-9pm slot.

Saturday 4th October 2014 - 'Live' Ratings
BBC One
17:30 - Pointless Celebrities: 3.90m (26.7%)
18:25 - Strictly Come Dancing: 7.38m (40.2%)
20:30 - Doctor Who: 3.67m (19.2%)
21:15 - Casualty: 4.17m (22.6%)

ITV
20:00 - The X Factor: 5.37m (27.6%) / 5.70m (29.4%)
21:20 - Through the Keyhole: 3.22m (17.6%) / 3.48m (19.1%)

Monday 6th October 2014 - Consolidated Ratings
Grantchester - 6.95m (27.0%) / 7.69m (29.9%)
New Tricks - 5.21m (20.6%)

A hefty timeshift of 1.92m for Grantchester from overnight to consolidated!

I knew Grantchester would do something like that - I wonder what it will be next week?
I am assuming another low timeshift for NT again dont understand it.

That's a pretty big consolidated rating for Grantchester. Perhaps if the rest f the series stays of 4.5m and consolidated over 6m, ITV might give it another shot.

You can see from those ratings New Tricks has ensured Grantchester was DOA............

A timeshift of only 410k for New Tricks. That is poor.

A very low timeshift for New Tricks. Was there a regional opt out last week or something? Great rating for Grantchester. Knock a million off that for next week.

What even if its no good?

Tbh What else have they got? I bet they were banking on Grantchester to be a new hit drama.

Well I suppose it has been for the first week at least.
Alo true they have nothing else but I fear the ratings will eventually take their toll.

Well that is the first question because if there was a regional opt out in Scotland then the timeshift will be about double that and the final rating will be shorn of around 400-500k.
ftv usually keeps us up to date with the opt outs.