Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I want neither of these on my TV.”
“I want neither of these on my TV.”
Thats what the off switch is for.
The Ratings Thread (Part 62)
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Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“In an ideal world ITV would replace the football with some marvellous new male-orientated format that nobody else has thought of yet - but of course that's far, far easier said than done. If they don't come up with a male-skewing format to sell to the same advertisers who pay the hefty sums to be showing during the Champions League coverage, and just fall into a never-ending cycle of daytime tat or female-skewing repetitivness, it's hard to see that their pockets wouldn't suffer, even without having to pay for the football.”
“In an ideal world ITV would replace the football with some marvellous new male-orientated format that nobody else has thought of yet - but of course that's far, far easier said than done. If they don't come up with a male-skewing format to sell to the same advertisers who pay the hefty sums to be showing during the Champions League coverage, and just fall into a never-ending cycle of daytime tat or female-skewing repetitivness, it's hard to see that their pockets wouldn't suffer, even without having to pay for the football.”
ITV need something to rate well there full stop! They should be doing much better between 8-10pm.
Official explanation for the BBC's change of schedule on Saturday just gone:
Make of that what you will.
Quote:
“Hi Neil,
Many thanks for your enquiry regarding the Saturday evening scheduling on BBC One.
Strictly Come Dancing's live show was expanded slightly on the 11th October because of the inclusion of an extra judge (Donny Osmond) for that particular show. There are contractual reasons why we can't alter the time of the National Lottery Draw programme, so our schedulers had to move things around so that Casualty was shown later than usual, after the National Lottery programme.”
“Hi Neil,
Many thanks for your enquiry regarding the Saturday evening scheduling on BBC One.
Strictly Come Dancing's live show was expanded slightly on the 11th October because of the inclusion of an extra judge (Donny Osmond) for that particular show. There are contractual reasons why we can't alter the time of the National Lottery Draw programme, so our schedulers had to move things around so that Casualty was shown later than usual, after the National Lottery programme.”
Make of that what you will.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Official explanation for the BBC's change of schedule on Saturday just gone:
Make of that what you will.”
“Official explanation for the BBC's change of schedule on Saturday just gone:
Make of that what you will.”
I'm very grateful to them that they didn't managed to get my lottery ticket with 5 minutes to spare.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Official explanation for the BBC's change of schedule on Saturday just gone:
Make of that what you will.”
“Official explanation for the BBC's change of schedule on Saturday just gone:
Make of that what you will.”
Probably means what we suspected that the lottery has to be shown before a certain time.
Originally Posted by NeilVW:
“Official explanation for the BBC's change of schedule on Saturday just gone:
Make of that what you will.”
“Official explanation for the BBC's change of schedule on Saturday just gone:
Make of that what you will.”
Thanks Neil, I thought that might be the reason. Presumably the Lottery can not be shown after 10.15 then? I'm a bit surpised they didn't carry on with the original schedule with just a few minutes over run and hope Camelot didn't notice.
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“No one is suggesting the BBC shouldn't be offering a varied line-up on Saturday night (although oddly this doesn't seem to concern them on Sunday nights) but rather asking whether Doctor Who is the best choice for a Strictly lead-in at this point.”
“No one is suggesting the BBC shouldn't be offering a varied line-up on Saturday night (although oddly this doesn't seem to concern them on Sunday nights) but rather asking whether Doctor Who is the best choice for a Strictly lead-in at this point.”
I don't know where this idea comes from. On Sunday nights at the moment BBC1 are showing factual (x2), light entertainment and drama. ITV are showing light entertainment (x2) and drama. What's the difference?
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Well who thought that Spandau Ballet was going to be an interesting program? I am amazed sometimes at the daftness of schedulers.”
“Well who thought that Spandau Ballet was going to be an interesting program? I am amazed sometimes at the daftness of schedulers.”
Well, Spandau Ballet have quite an interesting story and they're a popular well-known band, but probably not in this format. It might have worked a bit better if they'd done it as An Audience With Spandau Ballet (a format they appear to have abandoned). Same old problem, too many one-offs.
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“In an ideal world ITV would replace the football with some marvellous new male-orientated format that nobody else has thought of yet - but of course that's far, far easier said than done. If they don't come up with a male-skewing format to sell to the same advertisers who pay the hefty sums to be showing during the Champions League coverage, and just fall into a never-ending cycle of daytime tat or female-skewing repetitivness, it's hard to see that their pockets wouldn't suffer, even without having to pay for the football.”
“In an ideal world ITV would replace the football with some marvellous new male-orientated format that nobody else has thought of yet - but of course that's far, far easier said than done. If they don't come up with a male-skewing format to sell to the same advertisers who pay the hefty sums to be showing during the Champions League coverage, and just fall into a never-ending cycle of daytime tat or female-skewing repetitivness, it's hard to see that their pockets wouldn't suffer, even without having to pay for the football.”
And of course it wouldn't work if they put the male-skewing programming on Tuesdays because men will still be watching the football, just on another channel. The Observer pointed out the last episode of Ray Mears' show before last night was on 9th September.
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Thanks Neil, I thought that might be the reason. Presumably the Lottery can not be shown after 10.15 then? I'm a bit surpised they didn't carry on with the original schedule with just a few minutes over run and hope Camelot didn't notice.”
“Thanks Neil, I thought that might be the reason. Presumably the Lottery can not be shown after 10.15 then? I'm a bit surpised they didn't carry on with the original schedule with just a few minutes over run and hope Camelot didn't notice.”
Doesn't explain why it always used to be at 10.35 on Wednesday, does it?
Looking at The Apprentice rating for last night it confirms for me that in The Club and especially The Driver underperformed. Not everything can be massive obviously but I do think if it's a mainstream show at 9pm that it should be getting 5m in overnights when there's minimal competition.
To say 4m is good is settling for average ratings.
To say 4m is good is settling for average ratings.
Originally Posted by H of De Vil:
“Actually they had someone on the radio this morning saying they are not going to be watching TA again, since it manipulates people and makes them look stupid on TV for entertainment. I would say that's not far wrong.
So what's the difference with this and TXF? Both manipulate people for entetainment and yet we hear no complaining from anyone on here. Is that because TXF is up against perfect Strictly?
And both have two ego maniacs in charge.”
“Actually they had someone on the radio this morning saying they are not going to be watching TA again, since it manipulates people and makes them look stupid on TV for entertainment. I would say that's not far wrong.
So what's the difference with this and TXF? Both manipulate people for entetainment and yet we hear no complaining from anyone on here. Is that because TXF is up against perfect Strictly?
And both have two ego maniacs in charge.”
Not sure I would agree with the first sentence they are not manipulated to look stupid they do that all by themselves.
Last night there was not an ounce of common sense between the lot of them.
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Thanks Neil, I thought that might be the reason. Presumably the Lottery can not be shown after 10.15 then? I'm a bit surpised they didn't carry on with the original schedule with just a few minutes over run and hope Camelot didn't notice.”
“Thanks Neil, I thought that might be the reason. Presumably the Lottery can not be shown after 10.15 then? I'm a bit surpised they didn't carry on with the original schedule with just a few minutes over run and hope Camelot didn't notice.”
Plus the inclusion of Donny Osmond was known when the listings mags were printed (he was billed, was he not?), so it's odd they didn't think about the impact on the lottery earlier.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“Doesn't explain why it always used to be at 10.35 on Wednesday, does it?”
“Doesn't explain why it always used to be at 10.35 on Wednesday, does it?”
Might have been a later deadline for the Wednesday draw; it played (and continues to play) second fiddle to the Saturday draw in terms of ticket sales.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Looking at The Apprentice rating for last night it confirms for me that in The Club and especially The Driver underperformed. Not everything can be massive obviously but I do think if it's a mainstream show at 9pm that it should be getting 5m in overnights when there's minimal competition.
To say 4m is good is settling for average ratings.”
“Looking at The Apprentice rating for last night it confirms for me that in The Club and especially The Driver underperformed. Not everything can be massive obviously but I do think if it's a mainstream show at 9pm that it should be getting 5m in overnights when there's minimal competition.
To say 4m is good is settling for average ratings.”
The Driver was rubbish to be fair, In The Club started in the Summer holidays, and after a low start grew to nearly 5m in overnights. Not many dramas grow nowadays.
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“In an ideal world ITV would replace the football with some marvellous new male-orientated format that nobody else has thought of yet - but of course that's far, far easier said than done. If they don't come up with a male-skewing format to sell to the same advertisers who pay the hefty sums to be showing during the Champions League coverage, and just fall into a never-ending cycle of daytime tat or female-skewing repetitivness, it's hard to see that their pockets wouldn't suffer, even without having to pay for the football.”
“In an ideal world ITV would replace the football with some marvellous new male-orientated format that nobody else has thought of yet - but of course that's far, far easier said than done. If they don't come up with a male-skewing format to sell to the same advertisers who pay the hefty sums to be showing during the Champions League coverage, and just fall into a never-ending cycle of daytime tat or female-skewing repetitivness, it's hard to see that their pockets wouldn't suffer, even without having to pay for the football.”
I still think the obvious (short term) solution to ITV's Tuesday night woes is probably imports or an import. Its a cheap way to get some returnable scripted content on the night and if they're buying in from the US its potentially 20+ weeks of content which adds a huge amount of stability to Tuesday night which has been all over the place in recent times. If (and that's still a sizable if I suppose) they're going to take a stab at rebuilding Tuesday night then it isn't going to happen overnight. The chances of them just launching something there and it taking off are remote to say the least and the risks of moving an established player there are likely too big. This is going to be a process and imported drama, comedy or content in general seems like the most cost effective way of helping to rebuild the night.
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“I don't know where this idea comes from. On Sunday nights at the moment BBC1 are showing factual (x2), light entertainment and drama. ITV are showing light entertainment (x2) and drama. What's the difference?”
“I don't know where this idea comes from. On Sunday nights at the moment BBC1 are showing factual (x2), light entertainment and drama. ITV are showing light entertainment (x2) and drama. What's the difference?”
It wasn't a comparison with ITV.
Originally Posted by newkid30:
“The Driver was rubbish to be fair, In The Club started in the Summer holidays, and after a low start grew to nearly 5m in overnights. Not many dramas grow nowadays.”
“The Driver was rubbish to be fair, In The Club started in the Summer holidays, and after a low start grew to nearly 5m in overnights. Not many dramas grow nowadays.
”
I liked In The Club but still think it should have had higher overnights. The Driver was disappointing and didn't hold my interest. I have a feeling that The Missing could do very well.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I liked In The Club but still think it should have had higher overnights. The Driver was disappointing and didn't hold my interest. I have a feeling that The Missing could do very well.”
“I liked In The Club but still think it should have had higher overnights. The Driver was disappointing and didn't hold my interest. I have a feeling that The Missing could do very well.”
Have there been any reviews of The Missing?
Originally Posted by AnthonyC:
“Lord Sugar perhaps? Has he infiltrated ITV towers?”
“Lord Sugar perhaps? Has he infiltrated ITV towers?
”
I like the format but really detest that disgusting barrowboy Alan Sugar.
It's not as popular as it once was.
Originally Posted by Sweaty Job Rot:
“I like the format but really detest that disgusting barrowboy Alan Sugar.
It's not as popular as it once was.”
“I like the format but really detest that disgusting barrowboy Alan Sugar.
It's not as popular as it once was.”
I am sure he speaks highly of you too !!
Almost nothing is as popular as it once was these days.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“ITV need something to rate well there full stop! They should be doing much better between 8-10pm.”
“ITV need something to rate well there full stop! They should be doing much better between 8-10pm.”
But if it's just more middle-of-the-road female-skewing content then it'll just interest the same advertisers who take slots on ITV the rest of the time, stretching those advertisers' budgets and hampering the amount the ITV can hope for from their existing content in the process. If they want to continue to take the megabucks from the beer companies of this world in the same way the football allows them to then they need to make programming which the demographics that those companies want to reach will want to watch.
Sorry if I'm stating the obvious here but ITV just don't need any more middle-class female-skewing content
Originally Posted by Steve Williams:
“And of course it wouldn't work if they put the male-skewing programming on Tuesdays because men will still be watching the football, just on another channel.”
“And of course it wouldn't work if they put the male-skewing programming on Tuesdays because men will still be watching the football, just on another channel.”
Not in anything like the same numbers though. And besides there are other male viewers outside the ≥5m who'd typically watch Champions League football. This is ITV's chance to hunt them down.
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Looking at The Apprentice rating for last night it confirms for me that in The Club and especially The Driver underperformed. Not everything can be massive obviously but I do think if it's a mainstream show at 9pm that it should be getting 5m in overnights when there's minimal competition.
To say 4m is good is settling for average ratings.”
“Looking at The Apprentice rating for last night it confirms for me that in The Club and especially The Driver underperformed. Not everything can be massive obviously but I do think if it's a mainstream show at 9pm that it should be getting 5m in overnights when there's minimal competition.
To say 4m is good is settling for average ratings.”
In The Club only underperformed when you compare it to Call The Midwife - but Call The Midwife was probably inflated by being a star vehicle, as well as being a period piece in the period piece slot, let's not pretend that dramas about giving birth are suddenly mainstream shebangs that everyone can relate to
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I still think the obvious (short term) solution to ITV's Tuesday night woes is probably imports or an import. Its a cheap way to get some returnable scripted content on the night and if they're buying in from the US its potentially 20+ weeks of content which adds a huge amount of stability to Tuesday night which has been all over the place in recent times. If (and that's still a sizable if I suppose) they're going to take a stab at rebuilding Tuesday night then it isn't going to happen overnight. The chances of them just launching something there and it taking off are remote to say the least and the risks of moving an established player there are likely too big. This is going to be a process and imported drama, comedy or content in general seems like the most cost effective way of helping to rebuild the night.”
“I still think the obvious (short term) solution to ITV's Tuesday night woes is probably imports or an import. Its a cheap way to get some returnable scripted content on the night and if they're buying in from the US its potentially 20+ weeks of content which adds a huge amount of stability to Tuesday night which has been all over the place in recent times. If (and that's still a sizable if I suppose) they're going to take a stab at rebuilding Tuesday night then it isn't going to happen overnight. The chances of them just launching something there and it taking off are remote to say the least and the risks of moving an established player there are likely too big. This is going to be a process and imported drama, comedy or content in general seems like the most cost effective way of helping to rebuild the night.”
Terrestrial runs of Netflix original content could be an option?? although probably not a cheap one
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“But if it's just more middle-of-the-road female-skewing content then it'll just interest the same advertisers who take slots on ITV the rest of the time, stretching those advertisers' budgets and hampering the amount the ITV can hope for from their existing content in the process. If they want to continue to take the megabucks from the beer companies of this world in the same way the football allows them to then they need to make programming which the demographics want those companies to reach will want to watch.
Not in anything like the same numbers though. And besides there are other male viewers outside the ≥5m who'd typically watch Champions League football. This is ITV's chance to hunt them down.”
“But if it's just more middle-of-the-road female-skewing content then it'll just interest the same advertisers who take slots on ITV the rest of the time, stretching those advertisers' budgets and hampering the amount the ITV can hope for from their existing content in the process. If they want to continue to take the megabucks from the beer companies of this world in the same way the football allows them to then they need to make programming which the demographics want those companies to reach will want to watch.
Not in anything like the same numbers though. And besides there are other male viewers outside the ≥5m who'd typically watch Champions League football. This is ITV's chance to hunt them down.”
There aren't many shows that are male skewing outside of football apart from Top Gear. I think finding programmes that get more than 2m on a Tuesday is the main thing for now.
Quote:
“In The Club only underperformed when you compare it to Call The Midwife - but Call The Midwife was probably inflated by being a star vehicle, as well as being a period piece in the period piece slot, let's not pretend that dramas about giving birth are suddenly mainstream shebangs that everyone can relate to”
“In The Club only underperformed when you compare it to Call The Midwife - but Call The Midwife was probably inflated by being a star vehicle, as well as being a period piece in the period piece slot, let's not pretend that dramas about giving birth are suddenly mainstream shebangs that everyone can relate to”
That would be an unfair comparison for In The Club. I compare it to successful Tuesday dramas on BBC1. 5m is where it needs to be.
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Have there been any reviews of The Missing?”
“Have there been any reviews of The Missing?”
None yet. I think the trailers for The Missing are more compelling and intriguing than those for The Driver.
Originally Posted by Sweaty Job Rot:
“I like the format but really detest that disgusting barrowboy Alan Sugar.
It's not as popular as it once was.”
“I like the format but really detest that disgusting barrowboy Alan Sugar.
It's not as popular as it once was.”
But more popular than last year's opening so far. Alan is a tossed though. That much is true.
Originally Posted by Zac Quinn:
“Terrestrial runs of Netflix original content could be an option?? although probably not a cheap one”
“Terrestrial runs of Netflix original content could be an option?? although probably not a cheap one”
Do Netfilix do that though?
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“I have often thought this about Tuesday night on ITV. Once Champions League football is gone they will be able to schedule long-term. BBC1 could see stiffer competition. But when the Champions League season has been over in previous years the schedule still hasn't been particularly strong.”
“I have often thought this about Tuesday night on ITV. Once Champions League football is gone they will be able to schedule long-term. BBC1 could see stiffer competition. But when the Champions League season has been over in previous years the schedule still hasn't been particularly strong.”
It wouldn't surprise me if they drop the extra Thursday Emmerdale and have an hour long episode on Tuesdays( it seems to get 5.5 million against EE), which would lead nicely into a two hour episode of Lewis or Midsomer Murders. Also some of the recent matches in the CL haven't exactly set the ratings alight, 3.2 million for Man City, and the decline in the fortune of English clubs in the last two seasons may have decided ITV against renewing the contract( and also the cost).
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“None yet. I think the trailers for The Missing are more compelling and intriguing than those for The Driver.”
“None yet. I think the trailers for The Missing are more compelling and intriguing than those for The Driver.”
I have concerns about The Missing. I think its an interesting concept but the idea that this narrative is going to sustain itself for 8 episodes seems like a lot to ask.
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Do Netfilix do that though?”
“Do Netfilix do that though?”
Yeah I can't imagine Netflix would license their original content in that way. It seems an odd move for them.
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