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Tess is Hopeless
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Mrs Spratt
16-10-2014
Yes - having been brought up in Yorkshire, studied in the Midlands and lived in London with a Londoner for several years, my accent moves around when I do - much to my annoyance most people think I'm from Birmingham. My Yorkshire accent is still there and I imagine if I went back to live in the North it would return. There are probably bits of all sorts in my accent but it's not "put on" - just reflects the fact that I tend to start sounding like the people I'm with the most after a while.

I don't think elocution lessons necessarily iron out your regional accent, just help you speak more clearly.
Doghouse Riley
16-10-2014
Originally Posted by waz101:
“The inconsistency in her accent probably stems from her being married to a guy from Bolton and living in Buckinghamshire!

Accents can be really weird, whilst I can understand and be understood pretty clearly in Southern Ireland I have huge problems with the Glaswegian accent?

The main problem with my Salford accent (which incidentally Salford people regard as posh!) is that we speak too quickly. I spend half my year in Malta (where English is as widely spoken as Maltese) with my partner, and if we don't want to be understood by the locals we just increase the speed of our speech to what we regard as 'normal' and they don't understand anything we say?

I'd also like to add that personally I find west-country accents dreary (Somerset, Wiltshire etc) I can have a whole conversation in my head waiting for a reply from a question!

The London RP - Chloe-Jasmin from The X-Factor accent is just odd”

Hopefully not to be considered argumentative (that'd be a first for some) on our first move up from London to Manchester, we found that the locals spoke much slower than did we.
BuddyBontheNet
16-10-2014
I'm a Scot living in England and speak with an English accent most of the time.

The more worked up I get about something, the more my Scots accent shows. I speak to my family in a Scots accent and a muddled mixture when I meet a Scottish stranger (except when I'm in Scotland and speaking in a full blown Scots accent). My friends can tell when I've just been on the phone to my Mum and being in the same room in England as family & friends is fun! It's not something I can control because it not natural and my brain makes it uncomfortable if I try!

PS I do say 'och' in any accent!
Cally's mum
16-10-2014
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“I'm a Scot living in England and speak with an English accent most of the time.

The more worked up I get about something, the more my Scots accent shows. I speak to my family in a Scots accent and a muddled mixture when I meet a Scottish stranger (except when I'm in Scotland and speaking in a full blown Scots accent). My friends can tell when I've just been on the phone to my Mum and being in the same room in England as family & friends is fun! It's not something I can control because it not natural and my brain makes it uncomfortable if I try!

PS I do say 'och' in any accent! ”

BIB Bet it sounds better in Scots though, Buddy!

I try to adopt a 'posher' accent when I am at work as it sounds better on the telephone. Doesn't always work, though as I sometimes forget when I'm carrying on a conversation and my natural Yorkshire 'tongue' emerges!

To be honest, i don't care much for the broad Yorkshire. I'm from the West Yorkshire area and although it's pretty broadish, it's nothing compared to say, the Barnsley accent, which is really full-on!

There's lots of local idioms too - which people from other counties (and particularly the South) just don't understand. I expect that's the same in any area, though; each has its own local idiosyncracies.
BuddyBontheNet
16-10-2014
Och aye!
wazzyboy
16-10-2014
Originally Posted by waz101:
“The inconsistency in her accent probably stems from her being married to a guy from Bolton and living in Buckinghamshire!”

I'm a native of a town not far from where she grew up. Remembering some of the previous annual DS conferences on the subject () I think some folk didn't do their research before passing judgement (pronounced as Tess would in my house), read a bit too much into her marrying a Boltonian, in Bolton, and the rest is history.

Thus it was assumed it would be natural for her to pronounce the "o" in "vote" in an elongated way, as Boltonians do, so as to rhyme with the "o" in "more". Or that the "o" she actually uses must have been an attempt to emulate Southerners, whereas it is pretty much stock pronunciation where she grew up. You do get variations, but they are usually from people who've moved in from bordering areas where things are a bit different.

As I say, an old chestnut of a debate, but at least this year it hasn't descended too far into tribalism
waz101
16-10-2014
Originally Posted by Doghouse Riley:
“Hopefully not to be considered argumentative (that'd be a first for some) on our first move up from London to Manchester, we found that the locals spoke much slower than did we.”

I suppose it depends what part of Manchester you moved to? (or whether people realised you were Southerners and slowed their speech pattern so that you would understand them )

Mancunian varies quite a lot across the city, if you were raised in Manchester/Salford you can identify accents down to small districts, for example people from Swinton in Salford say 'Buzz' instead of Bus.

Most regional accents aren't as distinct since the advent of television though.
abigail1234
16-10-2014
Originally Posted by Cally's mum:
“Unfortunately the 'dumbing down' of TV is something that we all have to get used to. But are we really seeing a 'dumbing down' or are we looking at TV through rose-tinted glasses? I recall when there used to be brilliant documentaries and excellent comedy programmes, but the shows at the London Palladium and other entertainment shows of that ilk on both BBC and ITV were not exactly highbrow. And for every good drama or comedy there was equal 'dross' that did not appeal to everyone.

There are still things on TV that are excellent (I happen to think SCD is one of these and, to be fair, it is a reality show - so setting our expectations massively high means we are always going to be disappointed), but they are divided between the BBC (1, 2, 3 and 4) and all the satellite channels.

And audience tastes change. What was excellent for people in the 50s, 60s, 70s etc would not appeal to everyone now. For instance, I loved Morecambe and Wise but I can appreciate that today's more cynical audiences might not get their brand of humour, just as I really don't understand nor like people like Frankie Boyle etc.

There is a bigger audience these days (because the population has grown) and more expectation of being entertained and maybe a little less money for the kind of programming that used to be made because everything has become more expensive. And the BBC has to compete in a bigger marketplace.

I think we are quite well served by the Beeb considering. Of course the rise in reality shows has dumbed down TV to an extent and perhaps forced channels to work with smaller budgets as a result.

And Claud is just different and kooky and I love her brand of humour. It is a bit slapstick - which actually harks back to the 'olden days'! ”

You're right - and there were some pretty dreadful programmes in decades past, though far fewer reality ones. Luckily, I can ignore all the endless cooking /Jeremy Kyle / Judge Judy-type dross (my opinion only) by watching Netflix and suchlike, so it's not a problem for me. We're lucky to live in a world that gives us such a lot of viewing choices. I'm happy to watch certain reality progs like SCD and X Factor though!

As for Tess and Claudia - I love them and am very happy with their presentation of the show. I also really like Donny as an additional judge
Doghouse Riley
16-10-2014
Originally Posted by waz101:
“I suppose it depends what part of Manchester you moved to? (or whether people realised you were Southerners and slowed their speech pattern so that you would understand them )

Mancunian varies quite a lot across the city, if you were raised in Manchester/Salford you can identify accents down to small districts, for example people from Swinton in Salford say 'Buzz' instead of Bus.

Most regional accents aren't as distinct since the advent of television though.”

We live on the edge of North Cheshire, "more Londoners live around here than locals!" It was even like that before the, "BBC invasion."
The dialects are stronger North of the Mersey.
I had no difficulty understanding them, no they weren't slowing down their speech. That's how I've found people in Oldham, Bolton, Blackburn, etc., speak.
Londoners usually have more rapid speech delivery than in many areas and we've lived in many parts of the country.

Areas of London have or did have distinctive local accents. Many years ago I was working in Worcester and I was recognised as a Londoner by my accent by a "ex-Londoner" lady who'd lived in Worcester for some years, but she couldn't place from what part of London I came.
I said I knew exactly where she was brought up by her accent and said "Peckham" and I was correct, which astonished her.
Since the importation of Australian soaps, it's very evident the number of kids who watch them, by their upwards inflection of the last word in sentences. That's one of the way speech can be influenced by what people hear on the TV.
My favourite is "faux" West Indian accents amongst some black teenagers, who've been no further West than Brixton.
henrywilliams58
16-10-2014
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“ I'm a Scot living in England and speak with an English accent most of the time.

The more worked up I get about something, the more my Scots accent shows. I speak to my family in a Scots accent and a muddled mixture when I meet a Scottish stranger (except when I'm in Scotland and speaking in a full blown Scots accent). My friends can tell when I've just been on the phone to my Mum and being in the same room in England as family & friends is fun! It's not something I can control because it not natural and my brain makes it uncomfortable if I try!

PS I do say 'och' in any accent! ”

I bet you can roll your Rs. Especially doing the Rumba ...
wazzyboy
16-10-2014
Maybe one day Tess will make those who think they have her sussed happy by declaring that she is off to see ur urdresser cuz she as ditched that Vernon feller an as got a new blooork called Uric ooze rart narse.
BuddyBontheNet
17-10-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“I bet you can roll your Rs. Especially doing the Rumba ... ”

I'm brrrrilliant at rolling my Rs!
TerryM22
21-10-2014
Originally Posted by inothernews:
“IT'S NOT THE ACCENT.

It is the mis-pronunciation of certain words.

I hadn't realised her first career was a clothes horse.

Makes sense.”



The mis-pronunciation of words is very noticeable, who even is 'Claud' anyway?
Doghouse Riley
21-10-2014
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“Maybe one day Tess will make those who think they have her sussed happy by declaring that she is off to see ur urdresser cuz she as ditched that Vernon feller an as got a new blooork called Uric ooze rart narse.”

Well they could, with carefully selected words, send her up like they did Chris Eubank, on TOTP.

"At Thicks, Thuggs, with Thecilia."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmhk7B1hdfY
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