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Old 13-10-2014, 21:12
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It's only been a week of smashing pictures, shouting the odds, burning your hands, throwing away flowers, running away, lying in your trackies, not brushing your hair, having Dean mention a blonde...

Nope nothing's wrong with Linda!
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:14
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to be fair mick asked her outright tonight and she could of told him
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:14
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to be fair mick asked her outright tonight and she could of told him
Perhaps she just couldn't face the fact that he'd interrupt her again
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:16
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If the Carters still dont question why Linda is acting this way then they are the worst family in the world to not notice their loved one has been through a very dramatic event
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:23
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to be fair mick asked her outright tonight and she could of told him
Mick also asked her at the end of Thursdays and looked very unsure when she said she was fine. It wasn't the first time he'd commented on her looking unwell either. Likewise Babe, Jonny, Nancy - even Jay but if somebody keeps saying they are okay when you ask them you tread gently and don't force the issue.

Obviously now any doubts they've had (they might have thought they were imagining her reactions) will have gone but they still can't force her to tell them what is wrong. All they can do is be gentle and try and help in other ways, which we know Mick is going to do by contacting her Mum.

Most of the incidents you've cited (like her being sick on smelling the flowers and smashing the picture have happened when she was alone.

Even if you do think somebody is acting out of character, is upset over something, them having been raped by a close relative really isn't the first reason that springs to mind.
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:30
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The writing so far has been appalling. Hopefully now they will actually show genuine concern and worry for Linda, rather than just asking, "You okay L?".
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:31
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Na its probably cos shes still unwell from the hangover (roll eyes)
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:40
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Ironically the only person so far who has noticed something is wrong with Linda is Pam - a woman she barely knows. Rather than pick up on her strange behaviour and ask her what is wrong her beloved family seem to just be dismissing it as a hangover despite Linda herself never once stating she was hungover they all just assumed.
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:42
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to be fair mick asked her outright tonight and she could of told him
He has but he seems easily put off. Initially it appeared she was going to tell him but he kept interrupting her and was seemingly blind to how she was acting. Now he has noticed something is wrong but he doesn't seem to want to push it which is unfortunate as it feels like she's just on the verge of saying it.

My problem is the lack of realism. If that was real life and it was your partner or family member acting like Linda you simply would not let things slip like they are in the Carter family. You would make sure you had an answer. I cannot comprehend with someone acting so out of character like Linda is that a family or partner would not
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:44
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In the preview for tomorrow's episode, it looks as though Mick knows that Linda's lying when she gives him an excuse about Dexter. Mick has tears in his eyes so he must know that something is seriously wrong.
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:49
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He has but he seems easily put off. Initially it appeared she was going to tell him but he kept interrupting her and was seemingly blind to how she was acting. Now he has noticed something is wrong but he doesn't seem to want to push it which is unfortunate as it feels like she's just on the verge of saying it.

My problem is the lack of realism. If that was real life and it was your partner or family member acting like Linda you simply would not let things slip like they are in the Carter family. You would make sure you had an answer. I cannot comprehend with someone acting so out of character like Linda is that a family or partner would not
I'm really nit sure that you would. I've been in situations where a family member or close friend was acting 'oddly' - quiet, subdued, clear that something was bothering them but I haven't kept pushing at it because I didn't want to upset them more, risk them closing off completely or even pushing them over the edge. I've figured softly, softly catchee monkey and they would come to me in time if I just made it clear I was there for them. But then there is a history of depression and suicide attemps in my family (indeed i've been in that place and hated it when people kept pressing me to tell them what was wrong) so perhaps view it in a different way - perhaps the wrong way.

To me it seems clear that Mcik in particular is concerned but puzzled and doesn't know how to handle it.
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:51
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He has but he seems easily put off. Initially it appeared she was going to tell him but he kept interrupting her and was seemingly blind to how she was acting. Now he has noticed something is wrong but he doesn't seem to want to push it which is unfortunate as it feels like she's just on the verge of saying it.

My problem is the lack of realism. If that was real life and it was your partner or family member acting like Linda you simply would not let things slip like they are in the Carter family. You would make sure you had an answer. I cannot comprehend with someone acting so out of character like Linda is that a family or partner would not

the realism is that it does happen. yes it is very hard to watch and we can all say if it was a family member you would make sure you had the answer but I'm not sure it is so easy.
i mean we know now mick and her are the only ones for each other have been together since teens and 3 kids but you can see she doesnt want to tell him. I
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:52
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Mick also asked her at the end of Thursdays and looked very unsure when she said she was fine. It wasn't the first time he'd commented on her looking unwell either. Likewise Babe, Jonny, Nancy - even Jay but if somebody keeps saying they are okay when you ask them you tread gently and don't force the issue.

Obviously now any doubts they've had (they might have thought they were imagining her reactions) will have gone but they still can't force her to tell them what is wrong. All they can do is be gentle and try and help in other ways, which we know Mick is going to do by contacting her Mum.

Most of the incidents you've cited (like her being sick on smelling the flowers and smashing the picture have happened when she was alone.

Even if you do think somebody is acting out of character, is upset over something, them having been raped by a close relative really isn't the first reason that springs to mind.
I agree.
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Old 13-10-2014, 21:55
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Ironically the only person so far who has noticed something is wrong with Linda is Pam - a woman she barely knows. Rather than pick up on her strange behaviour and ask her what is wrong her beloved family seem to just be dismissing it as a hangover despite Linda herself never once stating she was hungover they all just assumed.
They only assumed it was a hangover the first day. Nancy made her lunch and watched a film with her the second day. Johnny commented that she hadn't brushed her hair in two days. Mick looked very concerned today and noticed at once that something was wrong when Linda kissed him on Thursday/Friday.
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Old 13-10-2014, 22:17
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I'm really nit sure that you would. I've been in situations where a family member or close friend was acting 'oddly' - quiet, subdued, clear that something was bothering them but I haven't kept pushing at it because I didn't want to upset them more, risk them closing off completely or even pushing them over the edge. I've figured softly, softly catchee monkey and they would come to me in time if I just made it clear I was there for them. But then there is a history of depression and suicide attemps in my family (indeed i've been in that place and hated it when people kept pressing me to tell them what was wrong) so perhaps view it in a different way - perhaps the wrong way.

To me it seems clear that Mcik in particular is concerned but puzzled and doesn't know how to handle it.
What you're saying you would do isn't what Mick is doing. It appeared Linda wanted to tell Mick initially and he actually prevented her by interrupting and making assumptions. I believe now he really wouldn't have to push too hard for her to speak. The trouble with this set up is it's just clearly in the plot that Mick mustn't find out yet and that has interfered with the realism and possible naturalism of it and that is unfortunate.

the realism is that it does happen. yes it is very hard to watch and we can all say if it was a family member you would make sure you had the answer but I'm not sure it is so easy.
i mean we know now mick and her are the only ones for each other have been together since teens and 3 kids but you can see she doesnt want to tell him. I
I don't agree. I think she is actually on the verge of telling him, she just needs a little push. Like I said in my post, she tried to tell him initially but he kept interrupting her and telling her why she was out of sorts. If he hadn't done that she would most likely have told him by now but his attitude and actions have sort of frightened her off telling him.
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Old 13-10-2014, 22:30
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I don't agree. I think she is actually on the verge of telling him, she just needs a little push. Like I said in my post, she tried to tell him initially but he kept interrupting her and telling her why she was out of sorts. If he hadn't done that she would most likely have told him by now but his attitude and actions have sort of frightened her off telling him.
the morning after she seemed to want to tell him but couldnt. I agree him trying to help in a way is not helping as its making it harder to tell him.
I think now he mentioned them being the only lovers for each other. sorry can't remember his exact wording! that she will be more frightened of telling him.

thats if frightened is the right word.
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Old 13-10-2014, 22:49
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I think it would be totally shocking in a family with an always well turned out Mum always well made up and presentable hadn't dressed for days or put any make up on even in the pub and no one in the family noticed.....and the person who really noticed was a lady selling flowers on the market
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Old 13-10-2014, 22:57
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What you're saying you would do isn't what Mick is doing. It appeared Linda wanted to tell Mick initially and he actually prevented her by interrupting and making assumptions. I believe now he really wouldn't have to push too hard for her to speak. The trouble with this set up is it's just clearly in the plot that Mick mustn't find out yet and that has interfered with the realism and possible naturalism of it and that is unfortunate.



I don't agree. I think she is actually on the verge of telling him, she just needs a little push. Like I said in my post, she tried to tell him initially but he kept interrupting her and telling her why she was out of sorts. If he hadn't done that she would most likely have told him by now but his attitude and actions have sort of frightened her off telling him.
I do agree that there has been some clumsy writing to stop Linda speaking out shen she clearly was on the verge of it - with Mick in their bedroom the morning after (I think) the attack, with sharon when she asked about people coming on to strong and most jarringly Mick again when he started rabbitting on about them only having 'known' each other. I haven't actually seen the first 10 mins of today's btw so apologies if it happened again there.

But I don't think that nobody in the family has noticed there is something wrong which was the point asserted in the OP. I think they do know something is up (Mick especially) - they're just being really rubbish at dealing with it.

In short, they are being incompetent rather than unaware.
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Old 13-10-2014, 23:06
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It's only been a week of smashing pictures, shouting the odds, burning your hands, throwing away flowers, running away, lying in your trackies, not brushing your hair, having Dean mention a blonde...

Nope nothing's wrong with Linda!
As far as the story goes - it's only been two days since the rape.
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Old 13-10-2014, 23:20
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Rape can tend to become slightly trivialised if it's used as a too obviously drawn out storyline, purely for the purpose of a big Christmas reveal. Or when Judy Finnegan appears on the Loose Women panel.
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Old 13-10-2014, 23:27
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Rape can tend to become slightly trivialised if it's used as a too obviously drawn out storyline, purely for the purpose of a big Christmas reveal. Or when Judy Finnegan appears on the Loose Women panel.
I have to say that what Judy said came across badly. but in that case one was found not guilty and one guilty. Not to really get into the ins and outs of it but he did appear to be innocent the same as the other one. that being said there were a few high profile cases at the time and I think the girl involved in this one actually sold her story.

just goes to show how you can have a thought or reaction to something on the surface but its not necessarily the way it is
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Old 13-10-2014, 23:42
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Mick knows something's wrong. I just think he's scared of asking. It wasn't that long ago she left him to stay with her mum after the trouble with Ian. I think he's hoping to say nothing and hope for the best.
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Old 13-10-2014, 23:55
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What you're saying you would do isn't what Mick is doing. It appeared Linda wanted to tell Mick initially and he actually prevented her by interrupting and making assumptions. I believe now he really wouldn't have to push too hard for her to speak. The trouble with this set up is it's just clearly in the plot that Mick mustn't find out yet and that has interfered with the realism and possible naturalism of it and that is unfortunate.



I don't agree. I think she is actually on the verge of telling him, she just needs a little push. Like I said in my post, she tried to tell him initially but he kept interrupting her and telling her why she was out of sorts. If he hadn't done that she would most likely have told him by now but his attitude and actions have sort of frightened her off telling him.

I agree.


Also, could someone fill me in re what Judy Finnegan said, please?
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Old 14-10-2014, 00:02
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I agree.


Also, could someone fill me in re what Judy Finnegan said, please?
they were talking about whether the footballer should be allowed to play for his club again when he is released shortly.

judy said something along the lines of it was ok cost was violent and she wasnt physically hurt and that it had been in the hotel and the girl was drunk. so it came across as if she was justifying it. I don't think thats how she was meant to be coming across.

I never saw the show just what was in the paper so someone else might know better who saw it

edit to add judys comments

Finnigan said: 'He's served his time. The rape and I am not, please, by any means minimising any kind of rape - but the rape was not violent. He didn't cause any bodily harm to the person.'

'It was unpleasant, in a hotel room, I believe, and she was – she had far too much to drink.
'And you know, that is reprehensible, but he has been convicted and he has served his time.
'Now when he comes out, what are we supposed to do? Just actually refuse to let him do his job? Again, even though he has already been punished?'
Asked if he should be allowed back to play football, she said: 'Well I think everything depends basically on, of course, whether the club wants him back but more importantly perhaps whether the fans want him back.

'And I think he would have to brave, if he does go back, he would have to brave an awful lot of comments obviously from the fans who were there.'
She added: 'Supposing it wasn't rape which is so emotional, sort of complicated. We all have huge feelings about it. Women have huge feelings about it.
'Supposing he was in for, I don't know, breaking and entering or something like that and he had served his time, what would you think then?

'It's worth thinking, isn't it, that he actually still, having been convicted, he still denies his guilt.
'You can look at that from two ways. You could look at that and think, right well, he's not sorry, he's not admitted any remorse. Why should he come back and be a football player?
'Or you could think he feels he didn't do it so he wants to become rehabilitated in his own way.
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Old 14-10-2014, 00:10
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Thanks
That really does seem a pretty misguided thing to say on national tv.
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