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Old 14-10-2014, 00:47
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Vile Dean continues his twisted ways by telling Linda that their relationship should end! I seriously hope I don't have to watch another two months of this. He's making me feel quite sick!
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Old 14-10-2014, 00:49
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Old 14-10-2014, 00:53
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It's a quote. It's not a spoiler.
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Old 14-10-2014, 00:55
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It's a quote. It's not a spoiler.
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Old 14-10-2014, 01:20
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Poor Linda
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Old 14-10-2014, 01:25
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He's such a freak!
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Old 14-10-2014, 01:33
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Matt's playing him brilliantly. I'm so intrigued by where this is going for Dean...I assume being sectioned?
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Old 14-10-2014, 06:53
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Matt's playing him brilliantly. I'm so intrigued by where this is going for Dean...I assume being sectioned?
I hope so. He's definitely in need of psychiatric help.
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Old 14-10-2014, 07:28
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Dean is just showing classic traits of an abuser. They always make the victim feel its their fault. Similar to the Tony/Whitney storyline in fact. Tony also made Whitney believe they were in love. Its how many rapists mask their guilt.

This storyline is very well done and equally as complex.
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Old 14-10-2014, 07:33
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Ugh, Dean is scum. I hope he doesn't end up being portrayed as a misunderstood victim.
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Old 14-10-2014, 07:41
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This storyline is being acted really well but in getting fed up of it being at the forefront every episode. Honestly I feel like it's become "the linda carter" show and not many of the other Sls are developing and the masoods, donna, carol, Fowlers and cokers have nothing happening at all.
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Old 14-10-2014, 07:59
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This storyline is being acted really well but in getting fed up of it being at the forefront every episode. Honestly I feel like it's become "the linda carter" show and not many of the other Sls are developing and the masoods, donna, carol, Fowlers and cokers have nothing happening at all.
I tentatively agree. I know 'rape' is a serious topic to cover but if we have to have one more doof doof focused on Linda crying, then I think I might just cry in frustration.
The last week or so has basically been Linda 95% of the ep and nothing else really going on, I am actually looking at the clock when the episodes are on. I know they are half an hour long but they really feel like half and hour long at the moment. I'm not saying that the story isn't well acted but sometimes you need other stuff going on in the background. The scenes with Ronnie and Charlie were such a welcome relief yesterday.

Although Phil and Sharon's wedding day went on for a loooong time, at least there was a lot going on and prior to that with Kat and Alfie, there were other things happening, the last 6 eps just feel like we have been watching Linda, which is fair enough due to the nature of the s/l but it doesn't need to fill up 95% of the episode.
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Old 14-10-2014, 08:10
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I tentatively agree. I know 'rape' is a serious topic to cover but if we have to have one more doof doof focused on Linda crying, then I think I might just cry in frustration.
The last week or so has basically been Linda 95% of the ep and nothing else really going on, I am actually looking at the clock when the episodes are on. I know they are half an hour long but they really feel like half and hour long at the moment. I'm not saying that the story isn't well acted but sometimes you need other stuff going on in the background. The scenes with Ronnie and Charlie were such a welcome relief yesterday.

Although Phil and Sharon's wedding day went on for a loooong time, at least there was a lot going on and prior to that with Kat and Alfie, there were other things happening, the last 6 eps just feel like we have been watching Linda, which is fair enough due to the nature of the s/l but it doesn't need to fill up 95% of the episode.
Exactly! I don't even like the character of linda so I don't want to watch her 95% of all the episodes. A lot was going on during the wedding with jay/abi, Lauren/dean/peter and so on but where are the ben/Ian? It can't just be a hug and a short 2 lines to each other.
Storylines can't be on hold while linda takes
All the screen time. Hope she leaves on for
A few weeks and is just a background upon return
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Old 14-10-2014, 08:35
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Dean is just showing classic traits of an abuser. They always make the victim feel its their fault. Similar to the Tony/Whitney storyline in fact. Tony also made Whitney believe they were in love. Its how many rapists mask their guilt.

This storyline is very well done and equally as complex.
This exactly! Dean knows full well what he has done.
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Old 14-10-2014, 08:35
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Dean is just showing classic traits of an abuser. They always make the victim feel its their fault. Similar to the Tony/Whitney storyline in fact. Tony also made Whitney believe they were in love. Its how many rapists mask their guilt.

This storyline is very well done and equally as complex.
Ugh, Dean is scum. I hope he doesn't end up being portrayed as a misunderstood victim.
I agree about Tony but I don't get that vibe from Dean. Tony groomed Whitney and manipulated her into believing that they were in a relationship, whereas I think Dean is delusional and really thinks they are having an affair when they are not. According to Matt, the rape wasn't premeditated as Dean didn't go there to do that. Of course, it was still a barbaric thing to do but Dean was obsessed/infatuated with Linda for ages and he's clearly mentally unstable. Both Finn O Connor and Frank Foster blamed JP and Carla for their rapes, saying they asked for it and that it was their fault. The only two times Dean spoke to Linda, he said things that were clearly delusional and then kept away. He's only there next week because Mick invited him and then he moves on to Stacey quite quickly. I don't think he's being intentionally cruel but I can't imagine how awful the situation is for poor Linda.
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Old 14-10-2014, 08:46
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I agree about Tony but I don't get that vibe from Dean. Tony groomed Whitney and manipulated her into believing that they were in a relationship, whereas I think Dean is delusional and really thinks they are having an affair when they are not. According to Matt, the rape wasn't premeditated as Dean didn't go there to do that. Of course, it was still a barbaric thing to do but Dean was obsessed/infatuated with Linda for ages and he's clearly mentally unstable. Both Finn O Connor and Frank Foster blamed JP and Carla for their rapes, saying they asked for it and that it was their fault. The only two times Dean spoke to Linda, he said things that were clearly delusional and then kept away. He's only there next week because Mick invited him and then he moves on to Stacey quite quickly. I don't think he's being intentionally cruel but I can't imagine how awful the situation is for poor Linda.
You are missing the point. Dean is trying to mask his guilt. As soon as Linda confesses she was raped and it becomes public knowledge that is when Dean will start blaming Linda. Its the m.o of rapists.

I also think the big Stacey storyline that is coming up will be Dean attempting to rape her as well. Rapists never stop.
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Old 14-10-2014, 08:54
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I thought DTC said Dean wasn't going to turn into a stereotypical baddie? If he does then it will be really annoying. We've had quite enough of those. If Dean feels guilty, then that at least shows he is not evil but it would have been far more interesting to have someone who lost control in a particular situation and then became delusional. It would have made a nice change from those stereotypical power/control rapists like Finn O Connor who do strike again.
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Old 14-10-2014, 09:10
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You are missing the point. Dean is trying to mask his guilt. As soon as Linda confesses she was raped and it becomes public knowledge that is when Dean will start blaming Linda. Its the m.o of rapists.

I also think the big Stacey storyline that is coming up will be Dean attempting to rape her as well. Rapists never stop.
I agree with this comment! Rapists blame their victims as do people who commit domestic violence. Their attitude is "look what you've made me do".
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Old 14-10-2014, 09:20
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Whether Dean is genuinely delusional or in denial over his horrific actions, at least we can all agree that he is not right in the head. I don't know exactly what will happen when Linda speaks out but I'll wait until that airs before making any assumptions. I do find the delusional aspect of Dean's behaviour really interesting to watch though. It makes a nice change from him being evil like Frank Foster or Finn O Connor. In both those cases, they committed other serious crimes and didn't give a damn about anyone but themselves - I don't really get this impression with Dean. The only other thing Dean did wrong was to pervert the course of justice as a teenager which he was punished for at the time, and his edginess suggests that he's not evil.
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Old 14-10-2014, 09:24
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Whether Dean is genuinely delusional or in denial over his horrific actions, at least we can all agree that he is not right in the head. I don't know exactly what will happen when Linda speaks out but I'll wait until that airs before making any assumptions. I do find the delusional aspect of Dean's behaviour really interesting to watch though. It makes a nice change from him being evil like Frank Foster or Finn O Connor. In both those cases, they committed other serious crimes and didn't give a damn about anyone but themselves - I don't really get this impression with Dean. The only other thing Dean did wrong was to pervert the course of justice as a teenager which he was punished for at the time, and his edginess suggests that he's not evil.
Sorry lizzie but I don;t see it as delusional at all. Dean knows exactly what he has done. Frank raped Carla and only turned on her because she reported it to the police. Had she not have done that he would have acted like nothing ever happened. He actually went out to buy them both a takeaway after he raped her. So comparing Frank to Dean is pointless. Frank turned nasty to save himself. Just like Dean will once exposed.
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Old 14-10-2014, 09:43
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Dean's reaction in all this is going to be very interesting. Once it's revealed to everyone, I can see him either going defensive and angry, or he could easily revert into the little boy he was when he realised he was going to prison, and also like how he was in the salon when Linda first comforted him.
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Old 14-10-2014, 09:57
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Sorry lizzie but I don;t see it as delusional at all. Dean knows exactly what he has done. Frank raped Carla and only turned on her because she reported it to the police. Had she not have done that he would have acted like nothing ever happened. He actually went out to buy them both a takeaway after he raped her. So comparing Frank to Dean is pointless. Frank turned nasty to save himself. Just like Dean will once exposed.
The difference is that Frank knew Carla reported the crime. He saw Maria go there. He bought the take away and went there to cover his tracks plus Frank was completely sane - nothing mentally wrong with him at all. He was very controlling with Carla while they were in a relationship, worked himself up into a rage for no reason before the attack and had form because he previously tried to rape Maria and that was only because Maria refused to sleep with him. He allowed his own dad to die rather than admit the truth and didn't love anyone or feel any guilt or remorse.

You are free to disagree but I think Dean does have mental health issues. He also feels guilt/unease - we saw this when he knocked over the orange juice and was edgy/uneasy around the family. Also, on thinking it over, victim blaming happens with all criminals to some extent - not just rapists. John Stape for all that he felt guilt and remorse and suffered from insomnia and mental breakdowns said that Joy and Charlotte "made" him kill them. Tony Gordon felt guilt and remorse and genuinely fell in love with Maria but ultimately blamed Carla and Roy for destroying his life. Victim blaming is par for the course with criminals - even Rob blamed Tina to some extent for the murder.

The differences between all these criminals is the level of guilt/remorse shown, whether or not they are capable of love, their behaviour before and after the crime, the situation in which the crime happened, if they continue doing bad things after the crime, whether they committed serious crimes before - As for Dean, we do not know yet how he will behave when the truth comes out - we just have to wait and see.
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Old 14-10-2014, 09:59
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Dean's reaction in all this is going to be very interesting. Once it's revealed to everyone, I can see him either going defensive and angry, or he could easily revert into the little boy he was when he realised he was going to prison, and also like how he was in the salon when Linda first comforted him.
I agree Sez Babe. They usually only show complexity with soap killers so if they do it with a soap rapist it would make a nice change (though I am by no means condoning the crime.)
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Old 14-10-2014, 10:13
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I agree Sez Babe. They usually only show complexity with soap killers so if they do it with a soap rapist it would make a nice change (though I am by no means condoning the crime.)
Yeh, Dean is throwing out the rule book when it comes to how rapists are portrayed in soaps.
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Old 14-10-2014, 10:26
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Yeh, Dean is throwing out the rule book when it comes to how rapists are portrayed in soaps.
I agree. It's a shame more people don't see it the way you and I do.
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