It looks like from that first show that the BBC have jumped on the lets go for arguments as entertainment thing that has infested programmes like Big Brother, X Factor and now this?!

If they carry on arguing like that, trying to save their own backsides from begining to end while trying to sell in pathetic ways from one extreme to another (either too high or too low) then I might just bow out of this series and I've watched from series 1, though I missed the first few of that one.

I personally watch it more to see candidates I like than candidates I love to hate, but I haven't seen that there is anything wrong with this series as far as that goes. In previous series I have found it hard to support anyone (Series 4 springs to mind) but it varies a little each year.

I agree, many shows seem to become caricatures of themselves as the years go by. But the A is still unmissable good fun! Just wish the follow-up prog was better - all about Dara and friends, so little about the fired candidate.

The girls all shouting/arguing and undermining the PM didn't bother you? I know they've done that in other series but this was the worst or I'm just getting tired/fed up with it if it wasn't.

Who on earth would volunteer to be the PM and especially in the first week when they keep on acting like that?

Not me.

Frankly, apart from maybe series 1 and 2, The Apprentice really boils down to ego of the weak, and how funny it is when these bunch of over confident numpties screw up.

And as to why anyone would want to be PM?. I think it really is down to trying to impress LS, even though they know that so many times it backfires big time.

I'm not sure what you want the BBC to do about it if that's how the candidates were behaving at those key points in the episode?

The first few episodes of each series are usually like that, though I thought it was especially bad this year. The last argument with the ginger guy in the blue suit vs the other two was pretty bad in the Boardroom. They were basically shouting at each other trying to be heard over the top of each other. If was LordAlan I would have fired 'em.

It's mainly due to them not knowing how to put their point across without raising their voice. In the first few episodes they are the most inexperienced of these inexperienced muppets.

If anyone acted like that in my company that would get fired pretty quickly. Occasionally we have fresh-faced graduates who think it's how to act in an office. They get taken down several pegs pretty quickly.

I think the girls argued so much because they had an absolutely crap PM!

She wouldn't listen to them, refused to do any real work, and was totally stupid about her "dress code" - and when she proposed the toast in the VIP capsule, you could see the rest of them hesitated before she added we are a team! That said, the sub team didn't really argue, just got on with it.

The lads lost because of Chiles' stupidity. He refused to listen to the (correct) advice he was being given by Steven, had they just sold the fruit and veg locally, and got the TShirts, and sold even a few of them, the lads would have wiped the floor with the girls.

The thing is, it's a competition, and none of them wants to be accused of 'not doing anything'. This means that in the early weeks you have to make yourself stand out, and often that results in arguing. This year it's likely to be even worse than normal because there are more candidates to stand out from. But as the series goes on, I think it's likely to soften up a bit, it generally does.

Ironically the girls team in series 1 were terrible for arguing and backstabbing in the early episodes. In the end Siralun had to point out to them that if they worked together and won the task, then they need not worry about the blame game in the boardroom, as they would have, erm, won!

LS is looking for well-rounded candidates and seems to have an expectation that a successful candidate will be PM at least once in the process.

Being PM can backfire; until the last series it seemed the losing PM on the first task was always fired.

The show has always been about arguments, so Im not really sure what you're on about.

They crammed the entire introduction and task into 30 minutes pretty much and the rest was post task and boardroom stuff. They could have cut out the girls going off on one like a band of banshees so much unless they were doing it throughout the task.


True, I hope they calm it down otherwise if it says like that, my intitial thoughts are that it will be a waste of time watching.


They were going at it right from the first meeting, not listening to her and were playing for position and already thinking about saving their own hides if necessary and wouldn't let up. I agree she should have helped making the coffees. It was completely out of order taking the money up front from people and then not helping to get them their drinks as quickly as possible afterwards.



Errr how about the actual tasks and how well they do individually and as a team? That is what I liked about the programme. If you think that winnng or doing well is about how well they can argue during the task just in case they lose and might end up in the last 3, then that is certainly not what I tune on for.

For most of the previous series, the arguments mainly came in the boardroom if they lost, not during the tasks so much or as much as we saw last night.

Shrugs - you cant please everyone,.

If you rewatch it - she started getting their backs up in the car on the way back to the house when she started on about short skirts. heels etc the other two sitting next to her let her know they weren't going to do that (one said she hadn't brought a short skirt and the other said "we're serious businesswomen" She didn't take the hint then and started on about it again (ad nauseam!) the next morning.

She again didn't listen when the others said no to her daft idea of cutting up the lemons (on which karren obviously agreed with the rest of the girls!) and refused to listen again when splitting the team in not finding out who was good at whatever.

All round - she showed that she was incapable of listening to anyone else's point of view - and as the lady on You're Fired said - if you have to keep saying you are the PM you're not doing the job properly!

It does feel less like they're a team working together nowadays, instead they're more focussed on playing the 'Apprentice game' and spend the whole task preparing for the boardroom. Working out what they're going to say if they lose and who they can put the blame on. It gets a bit tedious.