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Old 30-11-2014, 19:33
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kaycee/jennifer did you notice 70% of that VW was out of hold with Pixie doing balet stuff and nothing said
Yes I did but it does't seem to matter. There was barely any VW content. The sad thing is that Pixie would have been able to cope with a proper VW and full Fleckerl.
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:05
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Did Simon do a Fleckerl in his waltz?
I thought that was a VW "move" or is it flexible?
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:11
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Did Simon do a Fleckerl in his waltz?
I thought that was a VW "move" or is it flexible?
The fleckerl is strictly a VW variation, so Simon did not dance one in his English Waltz.
The nearest thing that you can dance in (English) Waltz is a standing spin. This is a stationery figure where the man rotates at speed, several times and the lady runs around.
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:19
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I know this is not really on topic but can I just say this is absolutely my favourite thread to read. So nice to have be able to ask questions and have them answered by such knowledgeable people. Also very nice to have a thread where people actually discuss their points in a sensible way when they disagree I just love reading this thread.

So now I've got the sappy bit out the way- I was wondering if anyone could explain what makes a good rumba? On strictly it seems to be a lot about the hips but I've heard people talking about rumba walks and being "earthy" and I'm very intrigued as it's the dance I know the least about.
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:26
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I know this is not really on topic but can I just say this is absolutely my favourite thread to read. So nice to have be able to ask questions and have them answered by such knowledgeable people. Also very nice to have a thread where people actually discuss their points in a sensible way when they disagree I just love reading this thread.

So now I've got the sappy bit out the way- I was wondering if anyone could explain what makes a good rumba? On strictly it seems to be a lot about the hips but I've heard people talking about rumba walks and being "earthy" and I'm very intrigued as it's the dance I know the least about.
Thanks for your lovely comments. I'm glad that some SCD fans do find it interesting and perhaps useful if they are dancers. That was always the intention.
Kaycee and Bendy will be best to answer. If they can't come back and answer, I will. Its just that they will put into a few sentences what I would wafffle on about for ages.
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:28
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The fleckerl is strictly a VW variation, so Simon did not dance one in his English Waltz.
The nearest thing that you can dance in (English) Waltz is a standing spin. This is a stationery figure where the man rotates at speed, several times and the lady runs around.
Thank you.
To a non-dancer they look similar, but I appreciate that the foot work is different
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:34
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Thank you.
To a non-dancer they look similar, but I appreciate that the foot work is different
I understand what you mean, thats partly because they never dance either properly on SCD.
In the standing spin, the man is in the centre and the lady runs around the man, as he rotates at speed.
In the fleckerl, ( yes different footwork) the man and lady both rotate around each other.
Sounds complicated and it is. They never dance it properly on SCD and certainly never dance a full fleckerl,.
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:35
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Thank you.
To a non-dancer they look similar, but I appreciate that the foot work is different
IN a way you are right too - Simon in his VW did what I call a fake fleckrel and just turned on his toes Frankie is the only one who has done a full fleckrel with the correct feet for years - Pixie just did half a one
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:38
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I know this is not really on topic but can I just say this is absolutely my favourite thread to read. So nice to have be able to ask questions and have them answered by such knowledgeable people. Also very nice to have a thread where people actually discuss their points in a sensible way when they disagree I just love reading this thread.

So now I've got the sappy bit out the way- I was wondering if anyone could explain what makes a good rumba? On strictly it seems to be a lot about the hips but I've heard people talking about rumba walks and being "earthy" and I'm very intrigued as it's the dance I know the least about.
thanks for the comments this is my haven As for rumba as often said if you use your legs and feet correctly hips naturally follow by the leg placement - I hate to see added hips but prefer a natural movement. Rumba comes from cuba developed from a dance done years ago by slaves they mimicked the actions of walking through the fields in the dance and to get through the wet mud they pushed through so an 'earthy' foot action with the feet into the floor is needed with bending and straightening of the knees in the right places doing that produces goods hips and a good dance. What Jake didnt do in his rumba - janette put no rumba walks in and faked the hip movement - and it showed even to untrained eyes
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:39
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Hi Bendy, are you able - or Kaycee - to answer question re Rumba from Jdarcy above?
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:42
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Hi Bendy, are you able - or Kaycee - to answer question re Rumba from Jdarcy above?
just done it but you and kaycee better at explaining than me
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:48
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thanks for the comments this is my haven As for rumba as often said if you use your legs and feet correctly hips naturally follow by the leg placement - I hate to see added hips but prefer a natural movement. Rumba comes from cuba developed from a dance done years ago by slaves they mimicked the actions of walking through the fields in the dance and to get through the wet mud they pushed through so an 'earthy' foot action with the feet into the floor is needed with bending and straightening of the knees in the right places doing that produces goods hips and a good dance. What Jake didnt do in his rumba - janette put no rumba walks in and faked the hip movement - and it showed even to untrained eyes
That's really interesting Bendymixer, I never knew about the rumba's history.
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Old 30-11-2014, 20:51
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just done it but you and kaycee better at explaining than me
I don't know about me, but Kaycee knows her onions.
I was always taught that it was the bending and straightening of legs, whilst pushing into the floor, allowing the weight to settle into the hips, that created the natural hip action. Correct technique will produce the correct action. I can remember spending hours in the studio on rumba walks just walking up and down. Incidentally the hips will perform a figure of 8 movement, rather than a faked side to side movement, often seen.
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Old 30-11-2014, 21:07
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I don't know about me, but Kaycee knows her onions.
I was always taught that it was the bending and straightening of legs, whilst pushing into the floor, allowing the weight to settle into the hips, that created the natural hip action. Correct technique will produce the correct action. I can remember spending hours in the studio on rumba walks just walking up and down. Incidentally the hips will perform a figure of 8 movement, rather than a faked side to side movement, often seen.
yes which is what I was trying to explain and threw in a bit of history too )
yes and we always find ballet dancers when they swap to latin have problems with getting into the floor especially in rumba
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Old 30-11-2014, 21:12
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yes which is what I was trying to explain and threw in a bit of history too )
yes and we always find ballet dancers when they swap to latin have problems with getting into the floor especially in rumba
That is what I had a huge problem with Natalie and her salsa last year. Yes it had all the bells and whistles on it but i didn't think she was generating much hip action through the floor
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Old 30-11-2014, 21:16
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That is what I had a huge problem with Natalie and her salsa last year. Yes it had all the bells and whistles on it but i didn't think she was generating much hip action through the floor
Yes, this takes some getting used to as you still have to keep your posture at the same time, difficult and needs loads of practice. The viewers mostly don;t understand or appreciate how hard it is to acheive this action with the correct technique. It is vital in BOTH ballroom and latin dances to use the floor.
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Old 30-11-2014, 21:23
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That is what I had a huge problem with Natalie and her salsa last year. Yes it had all the bells and whistles on it but i didn't think she was generating much hip action through the floor
good latin couples tend to be smaller (not always the case but normally) and Natalies strength is ballroom but she is fairly good at latin too - with Salsa it is a dance the pros (wth the exception of the pros who come from the SYTYCD root (janette andKaren) are not formally trained in and whilst yes they can pick one up and teach it I dont think any of them do a wow one.

Nathan you may find this video interesting from the 2009 world salsa and obviously where janette got her salsa and some samba moves from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXiUkUUnrI
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Old 30-11-2014, 21:31
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Thank you for the fab explanations guys
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Old 30-11-2014, 21:31
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good latin couples tend to be smaller (not always the case but normally) and Natalies strength is ballroom but she is fairly good at latin too - with Salsa it is a dance the pros (wth the exception of the pros who come from the SYTYCD root (janette andKaren) are not formally trained in and whilst yes they can pick one up and teach it I dont think any of them do a wow one.

Nathan you may find this video interesting from the 2009 world salsa and obviously where janette got her salsa and some samba moves from

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXiUkUUnrI
Holy s**tballs that is fast OMG Was that vid sped up a tad
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Old 30-11-2014, 21:39
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[quote=thengp12;75840583]Holy s**tballs that is fast OMG Was that vid sped up a tad[/QUOTE


nope that is the speed they do it at
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Old 30-11-2014, 21:42
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[quote=bendymixer;75840761]
Holy s**tballs that is fast OMG Was that vid sped up a tad[/QUOTE


nope that is the speed they do it at
Thats amazing, what speedy feet !
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Old 30-11-2014, 22:21
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That really was amazing!
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Old 06-12-2014, 23:21
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thanks for the comments this is my haven As for rumba as often said if you use your legs and feet correctly hips naturally follow by the leg placement - I hate to see added hips but prefer a natural movement. Rumba comes from cuba developed from a dance done years ago by slaves they mimicked the actions of walking through the fields in the dance and to get through the wet mud they pushed through so an 'earthy' foot action with the feet into the floor is needed with bending and straightening of the knees in the right places doing that produces goods hips and a good dance. What Jake didnt do in his rumba - janette put no rumba walks in and faked the hip movement - and it showed even to untrained eyes
This is fascinating! This thread is my favourite thing on this forum so I keep coming back to it Thanks so much to everyone who's answered my many previous questions!

I'd be interested to hear if you all - Jennifer, Bendy, Kaycee and everyone else - have a personal favourite routine from Strictly over the years?
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Old 07-12-2014, 00:13
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I have been missing this thread, yet to watch the show tonight as I was out dancing but love hearing the thoughts about technique and tips and analysis!
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Old 07-12-2014, 06:01
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I have been missing this thread, yet to watch the show tonight as I was out dancing but love hearing the thoughts about technique and tips and analysis!
Hope you had a great night out !
Hopefully a few more DS members will contribute to this thread before the end of the series, but in the meantime, I always think that for a dancer, knowledge is key.
To improve, you have to accept that you have to change.
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