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kaycee/jennifer did you notice 70% of that VW was out of hold with Pixie doing balet stuff and nothing said
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Did Simon do a Fleckerl in his waltz?
I thought that was a VW "move" or is it flexible? |
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Did Simon do a Fleckerl in his waltz?
I thought that was a VW "move" or is it flexible? The nearest thing that you can dance in (English) Waltz is a standing spin. This is a stationery figure where the man rotates at speed, several times and the lady runs around. |
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I know this is not really on topic but can I just say this is absolutely my favourite thread to read. So nice to have be able to ask questions and have them answered by such knowledgeable people. Also very nice to have a thread where people actually discuss their points in a sensible way when they disagree
I just love reading this thread.So now I've got the sappy bit out the way- I was wondering if anyone could explain what makes a good rumba? On strictly it seems to be a lot about the hips but I've heard people talking about rumba walks and being "earthy" and I'm very intrigued as it's the dance I know the least about. |
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I know this is not really on topic but can I just say this is absolutely my favourite thread to read. So nice to have be able to ask questions and have them answered by such knowledgeable people. Also very nice to have a thread where people actually discuss their points in a sensible way when they disagree
I just love reading this thread.So now I've got the sappy bit out the way- I was wondering if anyone could explain what makes a good rumba? On strictly it seems to be a lot about the hips but I've heard people talking about rumba walks and being "earthy" and I'm very intrigued as it's the dance I know the least about. Kaycee and Bendy will be best to answer. If they can't come back and answer, I will. Its just that they will put into a few sentences what I would wafffle on about for ages. |
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The fleckerl is strictly a VW variation, so Simon did not dance one in his English Waltz.
The nearest thing that you can dance in (English) Waltz is a standing spin. This is a stationery figure where the man rotates at speed, several times and the lady runs around. To a non-dancer they look similar, but I appreciate that the foot work is different |
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Thank you.
To a non-dancer they look similar, but I appreciate that the foot work is different In the standing spin, the man is in the centre and the lady runs around the man, as he rotates at speed. In the fleckerl, ( yes different footwork) the man and lady both rotate around each other. Sounds complicated and it is. They never dance it properly on SCD and certainly never dance a full fleckerl,. |
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Thank you.
To a non-dancer they look similar, but I appreciate that the foot work is different |
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I know this is not really on topic but can I just say this is absolutely my favourite thread to read. So nice to have be able to ask questions and have them answered by such knowledgeable people. Also very nice to have a thread where people actually discuss their points in a sensible way when they disagree
I just love reading this thread.So now I've got the sappy bit out the way- I was wondering if anyone could explain what makes a good rumba? On strictly it seems to be a lot about the hips but I've heard people talking about rumba walks and being "earthy" and I'm very intrigued as it's the dance I know the least about. As for rumba as often said if you use your legs and feet correctly hips naturally follow by the leg placement - I hate to see added hips but prefer a natural movement. Rumba comes from cuba developed from a dance done years ago by slaves they mimicked the actions of walking through the fields in the dance and to get through the wet mud they pushed through so an 'earthy' foot action with the feet into the floor is needed with bending and straightening of the knees in the right places doing that produces goods hips and a good dance. What Jake didnt do in his rumba - janette put no rumba walks in and faked the hip movement - and it showed even to untrained eyes
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Hi Bendy, are you able - or Kaycee - to answer question re Rumba from Jdarcy above?
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Hi Bendy, are you able - or Kaycee - to answer question re Rumba from Jdarcy above?
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thanks for the comments this is my haven
As for rumba as often said if you use your legs and feet correctly hips naturally follow by the leg placement - I hate to see added hips but prefer a natural movement. Rumba comes from cuba developed from a dance done years ago by slaves they mimicked the actions of walking through the fields in the dance and to get through the wet mud they pushed through so an 'earthy' foot action with the feet into the floor is needed with bending and straightening of the knees in the right places doing that produces goods hips and a good dance. What Jake didnt do in his rumba - janette put no rumba walks in and faked the hip movement - and it showed even to untrained eyes |
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just done it but you and kaycee better at explaining than me
I was always taught that it was the bending and straightening of legs, whilst pushing into the floor, allowing the weight to settle into the hips, that created the natural hip action. Correct technique will produce the correct action. I can remember spending hours in the studio on rumba walks just walking up and down. Incidentally the hips will perform a figure of 8 movement, rather than a faked side to side movement, often seen. |
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I don't know about me, but Kaycee knows her onions.
I was always taught that it was the bending and straightening of legs, whilst pushing into the floor, allowing the weight to settle into the hips, that created the natural hip action. Correct technique will produce the correct action. I can remember spending hours in the studio on rumba walks just walking up and down. Incidentally the hips will perform a figure of 8 movement, rather than a faked side to side movement, often seen. )yes and we always find ballet dancers when they swap to latin have problems with getting into the floor especially in rumba |
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yes which is what I was trying to explain and threw in a bit of history too
)yes and we always find ballet dancers when they swap to latin have problems with getting into the floor especially in rumba |
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That is what I had a huge problem with Natalie and her salsa last year. Yes it had all the bells and whistles on it but i didn't think she was generating much hip action through the floor
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That is what I had a huge problem with Natalie and her salsa last year. Yes it had all the bells and whistles on it but i didn't think she was generating much hip action through the floor
Nathan you may find this video interesting from the 2009 world salsa and obviously where janette got her salsa and some samba moves from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXiUkUUnrI |
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Thank you for the fab explanations guys
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good latin couples tend to be smaller (not always the case but normally) and Natalies strength is ballroom but she is fairly good at latin too - with Salsa it is a dance the pros (wth the exception of the pros who come from the SYTYCD root (janette andKaren) are not formally trained in and whilst yes they can pick one up and teach it I dont think any of them do a wow one.
Nathan you may find this video interesting from the 2009 world salsa and obviously where janette got her salsa and some samba moves from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXiUkUUnrI |
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[quote=thengp12;75840583]Holy s**tballs that is fast OMG Was that vid sped up a tad[/QUOTE
nope that is the speed they do it at |
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[quote=bendymixer;75840761] Quote:
Holy s**tballs that is fast OMG Was that vid sped up a tad[/QUOTE
nope that is the speed they do it at |
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That really was amazing!
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thanks for the comments this is my haven
As for rumba as often said if you use your legs and feet correctly hips naturally follow by the leg placement - I hate to see added hips but prefer a natural movement. Rumba comes from cuba developed from a dance done years ago by slaves they mimicked the actions of walking through the fields in the dance and to get through the wet mud they pushed through so an 'earthy' foot action with the feet into the floor is needed with bending and straightening of the knees in the right places doing that produces goods hips and a good dance. What Jake didnt do in his rumba - janette put no rumba walks in and faked the hip movement - and it showed even to untrained eyes Thanks so much to everyone who's answered my many previous questions!I'd be interested to hear if you all - Jennifer, Bendy, Kaycee and everyone else - have a personal favourite routine from Strictly over the years? |
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I have been missing this thread, yet to watch the show tonight as I was out dancing but love hearing the thoughts about technique and tips and analysis!
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I have been missing this thread, yet to watch the show tonight as I was out dancing but love hearing the thoughts about technique and tips and analysis!
Hopefully a few more DS members will contribute to this thread before the end of the series, but in the meantime, I always think that for a dancer, knowledge is key. To improve, you have to accept that you have to change. |
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