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We have no actual experience from using one, and I feel it would be of no use to an experienced dancer. However for a beginner, it seems to be a great tool to use to get the feel of where the arms should be and to obtain a reasonable posture to start with.
I think I'll probably not bother with it.
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In real competitions, do dancers always tend to dance facing in the judge direction like gymnasts or do they share it around the room a bit?
Are VIP seats just the ones with the tables and booze or all of the front row? I hate it when the couples dance obviously in the face of the judges. By all accounts so do they! You usually see the judges peering over their shoulder at some distant couple.
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In real competitions, do dancers always tend to dance facing in the judge direction like gymnasts or do they share it around the room a bit?
Are VIP seats just the ones with the tables and booze or all of the front row? |
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Just wondering what those of you who actually know what they are talking about think of the scoring last night. What jumps to mind for me is that Peter and Kellie (among others) scored the same but to me Kellies technique looked far better?
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you generally would dance into the space vacated by them and its not so difficult once you advance and use floorcraft to great effect.
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Just wondering what those of you who actually know what they are talking about think of the scoring last night. What jumps to mind for me is that Peter and Kellie (among others) scored the same but to me Kellies technique looked far better?
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'floorcraft' is not dancespeak for using your elbows like grannies at jumble sales is it?
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'floorcraft' is not dancespeak for using your elbows like grannies at jumble sales is it?
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Just wondering what those of you who actually know what they are talking about think of the scoring last night. What jumps to mind for me is that Peter and Kellie (among others) scored the same but to me Kellies technique looked far better?
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These are always difficult questions,but for me I was disappointed with the lack of content in the foxtrot and as such I would have expected it to be danced better. The footwork was not as good as it could be, but she is a beginner of course. For example in the steps where she is going backwards, she should release the toes and pull the heels back. Essential for good foxtrot. Overall I thought the marking was about right.My opinion of course
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Thank you! I am trying to learn as much as I can and I'm getting better at spotting things like frame and hand-placement but I'm still learning a lot about footwork so this is exactly the sort of answer I was looking for
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Pretty basic question, but I'd be really interested in the answer - what is the rumba supposed to look like? Can anyone give me the links to any good examples? Someone on the thread about the training footage said there wasn't much rumba in Peter's clip and I realised that I have no idea what this means, even after all these years watching the show.
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Pretty basic question, but I'd be really interested in the answer - what is the rumba supposed to look like? Can anyone give me the links to any good examples? Someone on the thread about the training footage said there wasn't much rumba in Peter's clip and I realised that I have no idea what this means, even after all these years watching the show.
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lovely clip
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Thank you very much, that's just what I was asking.
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In the rumba is the hip action meant to come from the shifting of the weight? From the videos of it being done by professionals that's what it looks like to me, whereas the strictly celebs usually look like they are trying to force hip action where it should come naturally (if that makes sense?) which would explain to me why they often look awkward.
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I like this clip, though if I'm honest I always feel Yulia takes too large a back step, but it's a good demonstration of a simple rumba routine.
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I like this clip, though if I'm honest I always feel Yulia takes too large a back step, but it's a good demonstration of a simple rumba routine.
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In the rumba is the hip action meant to come from the shifting of the weight? From the videos of it being done by professionals that's what it looks like to me, whereas the strictly celebs usually look like they are trying to force hip action where it should come naturally (if that makes sense?) which would explain to me why they often look awkward.
In rumba there should be a lot of pressure into the floor by the ball of the foot; and it is the correct use of the feet and ankles that creates the hip action, which should be in a sort of figure 8 action. [A pro or serious Amateur Latin dancer will wear holes in the bottom of their shoes from the inside, due to this pressure in about a month of practice]. An experienced dancer will never deliberately move their hips, but the celebs don't have the time to learn this technique properly, so do have a tendency to force their hip movement - which is known as "popping". |
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That was lovely. I never really rate the rumbas on strictly tbh. I think because it is quite a hard and exposing dance so I think the pros decide to choreograph that has about three basic rumba moves then a lot of angsty posing and fallen onto partners that looks like a bad imitation of contemporary dance. And the ouftits often seem to obscure the movement of the hips which I don't like. Sophie's dress and Pixie's dress spring to mind. |
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What you say certainly make sense.
In rumba there should be a lot of pressure into the floor by the ball of the foot; this pressure and correct use of the foot and ankle, is what creates the hip action, which should be in a sort of figure 8 action. [A pro or serious Amateur Latin dancer will wear holes in the bottom of their shoes from the inside, due to this pressure in about a month of practice]. An experienced dancer will never deliberately move their hips. But the celebs don't have the time to learn this technique properly, so do have a tendency to force their hip movement - what is known as "popping".
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In real competitions, do dancers always tend to dance facing in the judge direction like gymnasts or do they share it around the room a bit?
Are VIP seats just the ones with the tables and booze or all of the front row? It really is tough for judges in early rounds with very limited time to mark their cards in later rounds judges have the opportunity to judge on performance alone |
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I like this clip, though if I'm honest I always feel Yulia takes too large a back step, but it's a good demonstration of a simple rumba routine.
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In real competitions, do dancers always tend to dance facing in the judge direction like gymnasts or do they share it around the room a bit?
Are VIP seats just the ones with the tables and booze or all of the front row? Ballroom dancers generally move around the floor following the line of dance (i.e.anti-clockwise), regardless of where the judges are standing. Latin dance is different in that a lot of choreography can be more "on the spot", but most judges hate it if a couple dance right in front of them as if to say "here we are mark us!!!!" Usually its a sure way NOT to get marked. Mostly judges will look out onto the floor (not just at the dancers closest to them) and will always make a point of seeing the numbers of the couples they want to mark in the next round. As for your second point : some overseas competitions - The Kremlin Cup springs to mind, among others - there are tables, and spectators can have drinks, but most prestigious British comps (Bournemouth, The International, Blackpool) there are no tables. In most cases though, VIPs - normally those who a "big names" in the dance world, do get the front rows, but if there's any over, it's first come first served! Does that answer your questions? |
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What you say certainly make sense.
In rumba there should be a lot of pressure into the floor by the ball of the foot; and it is the correct use of the feet and ankles that creates the hip action, which should be in a sort of figure 8 action. [A pro or serious Amateur Latin dancer will wear holes in the bottom of their shoes from the inside, due to this pressure in about a month of practice]. An experienced dancer will never deliberately move their hips, but the celebs don't have the time to learn this technique properly, so do have a tendency to force their hip movement - which is known as "popping". |
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You usually see the judges peering over their shoulder at some distant couple.
