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Old 15-11-2015, 22:09
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While ballroom dancers should have their weight slightly forward, it is emphasised that the backside must be tucked under at all times. (Have a try - It's very easy to do - until you start to move!!!) The majority of ballroom steps for male dancers lead with the heel, (heel drag for the lady), and their feet should brush softly across the floor. [Jennifer - as a ballroom expert, if you disagree, please correct!]

Latin dancers have their weight further forward and dance using the ball of the foot, with a lot of pressure going into the floor. This alters the posture completely, and makes the backside look larger than a ballroom dancers.

So you are right about the different postures, but neither of those postures are wrong; just different for the 2 different styles of dance.! And the fact is, someone who has specialised for years as a Latin dancer, is unlikely to be able to develop a ballroom posture at the drop of a hat - oh that it was that easy!
Yes Kaycee you are quite right re your Ballroom points. Although it amounts to exactly the same thing, I prefer to think of releasing the toes ( whilst bringing the heel through).
Agree with your comments re adopting both styles of dance, I so admire good 10 dancers, so difficult to swap from one discipline to the other and dance to a high standard
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Old 15-11-2015, 22:57
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Could someone please help identify the following steps in Kellie's samba, assuming they are recognisable samba steps? Thanks in advance. Link is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ase...ature=youtu.be

The steps are at the following times in the video:
1) 0:48
2) 0:50
3) 1:02 to 1:06
4) 1:11 to 1:14
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Old 17-11-2015, 12:55
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Could someone please help identify the following steps in Kellie's samba, assuming they are recognisable samba steps? Thanks in advance. Link is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ase...ature=youtu.be

The steps are at the following times in the video:
1) 0:48
2) 0:50
3) 1:02 to 1:06
4) 1:11 to 1:14
Sorry no-one has come back to you Josh - I can't really help I'm afraid, although I do recognise the steps I don't know the names. Just bumping this up in the hope that one of our lovely Latin ladies can help.
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Old 19-11-2015, 11:59
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not ballroom and latin but if you have a few mins well worth a watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1F0lBnsnkE
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Old 19-11-2015, 13:03
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not ballroom and latin but if you have a few mins well worth a watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1F0lBnsnkE
Absolutely brilliant - what a genius video. And oh those movie scenes - those were the days.

Thanks for posting that.
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Old 19-11-2015, 20:54
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Could someone please help identify the following steps in Kellie's samba, assuming they are recognisable samba steps? Thanks in advance. Link is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ase...ature=youtu.be
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The steps are at the following times in the video:
1) 0:48
2) 0:50
3) 1:02 to 1:06
4) 1:11 to 1:14
Hi josh. I really don't know what these steps are. Sorry, I can't help.

(1) seems to be some kind of turning closed rock perhaps, but really not sure.
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Old 19-11-2015, 23:48
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hi josh not sure either my bro is the step expert

but karen mentioned them on ITT
1.02 to 1.06 are Batucadas
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Old 20-11-2015, 12:28
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hi josh not sure either my bro is the step expert

but karen mentioned them on ITT
1.02 to 1.06 are Batucadas
I did wonder about the batucadas bendymixer but thought they didn't look quite right. But agree, that's what the step looks like.
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Old 20-11-2015, 12:42
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I did wonder about the batucadas bendymixer but thought they didn't look quite right. But agree, that's what the step looks like.
also thought the last one could almost be a boto fogo done backwards if that makes sense
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Old 20-11-2015, 12:54
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also thought the last one could almost be a boto fogo done backwards if that makes sense
Yeah it does. Followed by a forward one.

I wish youtube had a slow motion player.

I used to be in a group dance which had batucadas and forward and backward botafogos. I've come to the conclusion I didn't really visualise how it should look to someone in the audience. Instead I thought about applying technique and how it felt as I did it! Visualising steps (third party view) as you learn them is actually something lots of people probably don't do.
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Old 20-11-2015, 13:23
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Yeah it does. Followed by a forward one.

I wish youtube had a slow motion player.

I used to be in a group dance which had batucadas and forward and backward botafogos. I've come to the conclusion I didn't really visualise how it should look to someone in the audience. Instead I thought about applying technique and how it felt as I did it! Visualising steps (third party view) as you learn them is actually something lots of people probably don't do.
BIB it does. Click on the cog icon (first one bottom right) select Speed and then you can choose 0.5 or 0.25 (ie half the speed or a quarter of the speed).

One of the many things I have learnt from this forum.
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Old 20-11-2015, 13:29
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BIB it does. Click on the cog icon (first one bottom right) select Speed and then you can choose 0.5 or 0.25 (ie half the speed or a quarter of the speed).

One of the many things I have learnt from this forum.
Wow if that works I am sending you my first born!
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Old 20-11-2015, 13:42
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Wow if that works I am sending you my first born!
It does work on a computer, not on the app for the phones and not sure about ipads.


Shall I pm my address?
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Old 20-11-2015, 13:53
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What I am interested in is how the positioning of the lady's head and upper body has originated in ballroom dances. Was it just about overall appearance of the couple or was there some subtle socio-political stuff about dominance and submission to go along with "man as leader of the dance" going on as well?
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Old 20-11-2015, 13:56
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It worked like a charm. Although I tried it first on a clip of Camilla and Jame's Tango to Mein Herr. But instead of re-checking your post for the actual instructions I went from memory. I remembered 2 so selected 2.0 instead of what you suggested .25. The result is very comical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_oRCckVzeI

No rush for the address I have to produce a first born yet. I will get onto it this weekend. Delivery in say 10 months OK?
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Old 20-11-2015, 13:57
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not sure about ipads
No, not on the ipad
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Old 20-11-2015, 14:27
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No, not on the ipad
Try this www.technipages.com/play-video-in-slow-motion-on-iphone-ipad
I don't have an iPad, so I can't test to see if it works.
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Old 20-11-2015, 14:30
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It worked like a charm. Although I tried it first on a clip of Camilla and Jame's Tango to Mein Herr. But instead of re-checking your post for the actual instructions I went from memory. I remembered 2 so selected 2.0 instead of what you suggested .25. The result is very comical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_oRCckVzeI

No rush for the address I have to produce a first born yet. I will get onto it this weekend. Delivery in say 10 months OK?


I have to try the high speed too!

Actually you should thank the Jay appreciation forum as it was there that I learnt this trick. And then they say that appreciation forums are useless gushing...
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Old 20-11-2015, 15:03
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Try this www.technipages.com/play-video-in-slow-motion-on-iphone-ipad
I don't have an iPad, so I can't test to see if it works.
Aw, thanks for trying . Unfortunately there's no fast forward option either! (there might be in the desktop version, but I can't seem to force mine to show that and it defaults to the YT app). Grr.
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Old 20-11-2015, 16:44
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Marinamau's suggestion works on ipad if you use puffin browser rather than safari.

What I am interested in is how the positioning of the lady's head and upper body has originated in ballroom dances. Was it just about overall appearance of the couple or was there some subtle socio-political stuff about dominance and submission to go along with "man as leader of the dance" going on as well?
Well maybe, in that the man has had to be looking forward as they find their way round the floor, whereas the woman can concentrate more on shaping. However the woman's positioning has become more extreme over time. So in this earlier 60s clip it is really more subtle
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xn_0HTJaWjc

And if you go back earlier still it is much more hunched together.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pgv_9RZ0ETE

So I suspect it has evolved as women have become more athletic and flexible, the idea being to accentuate the vase shape. Past ballroom dancers who were particularly flexible, such as Anne Lewis, were probably influential
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Old 20-11-2015, 16:54
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Marinamau's suggestion works on ipad if you use puffin browser rather than safari.
Yay! It works. Thank you so much.
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Old 20-11-2015, 16:59
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Yay! It works. Thank you so much.
Well thanks to marinamau too!
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Old 20-11-2015, 17:00
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Marinamau's suggestion works on ipad if you use puffin browser rather than safari.
Awesome! I will check Puffin then!
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Old 21-11-2015, 22:26
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Just about every thread on the front page tonight is an outburst about how wrong the judges got their marking. According to these 'armchair experts', just about everyone was either horrendously undermarked or overmarked.

I'd be interested to hear an assessment of tonight's performances from the regulars in this thread, who actually know what they are talking about.
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Old 21-11-2015, 23:12
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Yes Kaycee you are quite right re your Ballroom points. Although it amounts to exactly the same thing, I prefer to think of releasing the toes ( whilst bringing the heel through).
Agree with your comments re adopting both styles of dance, I so admire good 10 dancers, so difficult to swap from one discipline to the other and dance to a high standard
Yes, that is much better description.
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