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Obviously my comments are in their very basic sense, no point in going into too much detail here as most would not understand. My teachers for example teach 15 points of connection between the couples, pick up and projection is of paramount importance as is the volume between the couples heads and the volume and fullness of movement they create. Dancers have to have very strong back muscles to hold the backline and frame in place. There is a very precise way in which you connect the connecting hands and thumb placing. It is very involved as you are aware of course.
As you dance, you will be aware that all teachers methods of training will differ slightly and as such, opinions and views will slightly differ as it seems, ours do. Does allow greater floor coverage but also needs greater care to avoid gaping The original face to face did determine the essential need for stronger diaphragm contact and shaping to allow floor coverage We do not disagree just.me being an old retiree |
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One of the major changes since we competed is the movement away from face to face moving the female nearer to opposite the male right hip
Does allow greater floor coverage but also needs greater care to avoid gaping The original face to face did determine the essential need for stronger diaphragm contact and shaping to allow floor coverage We do not disagree just.me being an old retiree ![]() Merry Christmas, by the way, and all the best for 2016. |
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Yes, dancing is constantly evolving. We notice when we have had lessons with older coaches, how things are different from what the younger pro's concentrate on, and teach. More emphasis on the dynamics, movement and volume now, hopefully not at the expense of artistry
![]() Merry Christmas, by the way, and all the best for 2016. |
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Well I thought at times on Strictly, the ladies had their bodies too far right, even by modern day standards (taking Arunas and Katusha as the Gold standard).
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Well I thought at times on Strictly, the ladies had their bodies too far right, even by modern day standards (taking Arunas and Katusha as the Gold standard).
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Well I thought at times on Strictly, the ladies had their bodies too far right, even by modern day standards (taking Arunas and Katusha as the Gold standard).
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Oh yes, sorry! 😳
That was a bit misleading (I've been going through the guidance for the man's hold a lot recently and so my perspective has changed on right and left! )
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Oh yes, sorry! 😳
That was a bit misleading (I've been going through the guidance for the man's hold a lot recently and so my perspective has changed on right and left! )![]() Strange as it may seem, I often think in terms of the man. When I have a particular problem in practice, I'll often dance it as man and work it back from there ! I'll have to have a look back at some of the clips of the series,. but yes it is difficult for a beginner, either too much in front of the man or too much outside, under the armpit. |
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If I'm asked to dance an amalgamation I have to walk it through as a lead now.
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If I'm asked to dance an amalgamation I have to walk it through as a lead now.
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I've just looked at some clips and can't see the problem. I thought the issue was particularly with Katie and Anton, but I think it is just a lack of contact occuring sometimes (particularly when Anton is stepping outside partner) rather than a deliberate positioning.
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I've just looked at some clips and can't see the problem. I thought the issue was particularly with Katie and Anton, but I think it is just a lack of contact occuring sometimes (particularly when Anton is stepping outside partner) rather than a deliberate positioning.
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I'll have to have a look later, I suspect you are right as Katie would not be well practised in CBM and would not know ( or forgot) how to shape her body to get the relevant shoulder lead, and therefore keep contact.
The shoulder lead was automatic when the/a major contact influence was diaphragm to diaphragm |
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I could also be wrong but dancing old style diaphragm to diaphragm CBM body shaping was /is led by the man
The shoulder lead was automatic when the/a major contact influence was diaphragm to diaphragm |
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I may have to relocate due to work and was wondering if any of you know of any good Latin and ballroom teachers in Bristol? I'd really like to carry on doing medallist competitions if I have to move...
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I may have to relocate due to work and was wondering if any of you know of any good Latin and ballroom teachers in Bristol? I'd really like to carry on doing medallist competitions if I have to move...
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I may have to relocate due to work and was wondering if any of you know of any good Latin and ballroom teachers in Bristol? I'd really like to carry on doing medallist competitions if I have to move...
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Thank you, dancers.
there seems to be a few places in the area judging by Google but it's hard to know which one I'd choose if it came to it. I have such a great relationship with my current teachers i get quite emotional thinking about leaving :'(. They're amazing teachers - really know their stuff about ballroom dancing and really inspirational, great people. The main thing (really the only thing) that's the downside of relocating is not dancing with them anymore... I dont think I'll have teachers like them again tbh.
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Thank you, dancers.
there seems to be a few places in the area judging by Google but it's hard to know which one I'd choose if it came to it. I have such a great relationship with my current teachers i get quite emotional thinking about leaving :'(. They're amazing teachers - really know their stuff about ballroom dancing and really inspirational, great people. The main thing (really the only thing) that's the downside of relocating is not dancing with them anymore... I dont think I'll have teachers like them again tbh.I have fond memories of my very first teacher - he gave me so much confidence from the very first lesson, but years later and many teachers/coaches later, I can say that there are many lovely and knowledgeable teachers out there, and all have something a little different to offer. |
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It may seem like that now, but I'm sure you'll find other great teachers in time. There are many fabulous teachers about and perhaps if you mention this to your current teachers, they may recommend someone to try ?
I have fond memories of my very first teacher - he gave me so much confidence from the very first lesson, but years later and many teachers/coaches later, I can say that there are many lovely and knowledgeable teachers out there, and all have something a little different to offer. |
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Thank you, dancers.
there seems to be a few places in the area judging by Google but it's hard to know which one I'd choose if it came to it. I have such a great relationship with my current teachers i get quite emotional thinking about leaving :'(. They're amazing teachers - really know their stuff about ballroom dancing and really inspirational, great people. The main thing (really the only thing) that's the downside of relocating is not dancing with them anymore... I dont think I'll have teachers like them again tbh. |
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Thank you, dancers.
there seems to be a few places in the area judging by Google but it's hard to know which one I'd choose if it came to it. I have such a great relationship with my current teachers i get quite emotional thinking about leaving :'(. They're amazing teachers - really know their stuff about ballroom dancing and really inspirational, great people. The main thing (really the only thing) that's the downside of relocating is not dancing with them anymore... I dont think I'll have teachers like them again tbh.When one of my teachers, who I was particularly attached to, died, I was so devastated I could only think in terms of giving up dancing altogether. But I persevered, and gradually found other teachers, who I eventually realised were, if anything, even better, and a friendship developed that has lasted many years. So keep positive. |
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Thank you so much... I feel slightly more positive about it. I did end up having to tell them a lot sooner than I was planning to and feel a bit emotional about it again but also hopeful for the future. Maybe I'll move away and find a dance partner finally? It's another step in the journey not the end of it.
![]() I am having enormous trouble finding a school that's as good as my current one though. I found one place in bath that seemed pretty good but they only take couples for private lessons and generally seem not great for a partnerless dancer. Somewhere else is idta rather than istd so not sure how different it would be (and don't seem to have the same level of experience and accolades my current teachers have.) It's all so far in the future that i guess it's silly to worry too much about it now, I guess - but i like to have everything planned out! |
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Eliie - from your previous post I gather you are looking for an ISTD school? If so, your best bet might be to write to the ISTD direct, and tell them exactly what you are looking for, and in what are (including how far you are willing to travel if necessary). They will almost undoubtedly be able to give you suggestions. I'll PM you the address if that is any help.
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Just to add, IDTA is not very different to ISTD. I took my medal exams under ISTD but am taking my teaching exams with IDTA. There are differences but not anything to worry about. Easy to transfer either way.
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That was a bit misleading (I've been going through the guidance for the man's hold a lot recently and so my perspective has changed on right and left!
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