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Hi Alex!
Are you going to start sneaking some pivots in so he has to teach us?!Jennifer, how does this differ from the lead into a natural spin turn? Thanks. |
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This thread is a godsend! Thank you so much for setting it up - it's really interesting but also so helpful.
I have a question about ballroom topline - I'm told the correct way to do this is to contract your stomach muscles and tuck in your bottom - is this right? Should I try to lean back at all? (I'm a girl btw). |
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Hi Alex!
Are you going to start sneaking some pivots in so he has to teach us?!![]() Jennifer, thanks for all the clarification. Now I don't want to hijack the thread, but will just have to work out how to exit, or it'll be a rather tedious (and tiring) 3 minute dance for us both.
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This thread is a godsend! Thank you so much for setting it up - it's really interesting but also so helpful.
I have a question about ballroom topline - I'm told the correct way to do this is to contract your stomach muscles and tuck in your bottom - is this right? Should I try to lean back at all? (I'm a girl btw). |
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Thinking about it, Tangos. Will need to practice at home first, and then maybe he'll feel compelled to correct the inevitable resulting disaster. That said he puts up with our chicken walks. Perhaps there's just too much work required...
![]() Jennifer, thanks for all the clarification. Now I don't want to hijack the thread, but will just have to work out how to exit, or it'll be a rather tedious (and tiring) 3 minute dance for us both. ![]() |
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Just to explain a bit about AT Milongas which have been discussed - for those perhaps unaware.
"Milonga" has two meanings. It is a social dance as well as a style of music and dance within Tango. Tango has three styles - Tango, Milonga and Vals (Waltz) A social dance can be a Milonga or a Practica (practice) . Some places have a Milonga and a Practiica room on the side for practice and trying out steps with a partner. In Milonga no instructions or suggestions are made or appreciated during the dance. In fact no conversations during the dance. Milongas come as a series of Tandas - groups of three or four songs broken by a Cortina (curtain) of random music to clear the floor and change partners. No "thank you" after each of the songs in the Tanda as that means "You are a rubbish dancer and I'm off in the middle of the Tanda". No Salsa or Merengue demonstration is permitted if the Cortina happens to be Salsa or Merengue music ... Traditionally there is the "Cabeceo" by the leader to invite a seated follower to dance - basically eye contact and response with a positive smile or a negative looking away or nowadays into the smartphone. On music here is Tango. Smiling is strictly forbidden during a Tango dance. http://youtu.be/3TMO2wbXVwg?t=30s Milonga. Smiling is allowed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4G03HpzArc Vals. Not sure if smiling is allowed during a Vals. Maybe just a bit. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2edMx_jGHs I am sure Anthro will correct me on much of the above ... Social mores plucked from another country and another century. Why? - God only knows. For the record I think it is utter bo**ocks . I have been unable to unearth any good reason for these affectations and IMO they are very much to the detriment of AT as a social activity and act as a barrier when it comes to encouraging 21st century people into the community. I subvert the rules as often as I can. For example - I ask men to dance.
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The reason for the Cabeceo is to not embarrass both parties if the leader goes over and gets rejected. Mutual smiles of recognition indicates acceptance of the invitation.
The Three song Tanda is to get to know each other's style and then a couple of good dances together. And you have to wait for a slot in the anti-clockwise Ronda (circle line of dance). Entry to the circle (rectangle) is by permission and only at one of the four corners. |
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I don't think I'm cool enough to go to a milonga, haha. Smiling is forbidden? Ok I know it doesn't look good but do you get blacklisted for it or something?
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QUOTE=henrywilliams58;75311939]The reason for the Cabeceo is to not embarrass both parties if the leader goes over and gets rejected. Mutual smiles of recognition indicates acceptance of the invitation. Code:
The Three song Tanda is to get to know each other's style and then a couple of good dances together. Code:
And you have to wait for a slot in the anti-clockwise Ronda (circle line of dance). Entry to the circle (rectangle) is by permission and only at one of the four corners.[/quote] Last edited by An Thropologist : 22-10-2014 at 23:26. Reason: Trying to undo a format mistake - unsuccessfully |
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I don't think I'm cool enough to go to a milonga, haha. Smiling is forbidden? Ok I know it doesn't look good but do you get blacklisted for it or something?
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There are also different rooms for modern music and traditional (i,.e. old and scratchy) music. The trad folk don't like more than one tanda of modern stuff. They'll use that to go to the loo.
I was at this milonga a year ago. Stills but you can get a good feel for it. Modern music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgZoE_CIT9E |
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Blindfold, that reminds me of the burn the floor routine we saw, although this was choreographed, this is it on youtube, you may recognise some of the dancers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4j9-2AYWhQ I've danced a lot of AT in the past with eyes closed ( don't do AT nowadays). Also have danced ballroom tango with hip contact and no arms. Generally I find following a Latin lead in social dancing easier than Ballroom ( Samba excepted - have never danced social Samba or Paso, whatever that might be!) |
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Interesting! Think I saw that routine live.
I've danced a lot of AT in the past with eyes closed ( don't do AT nowadays). Also have danced ballroom tango with hip contact and no arms. Generally I find a Latin lead and social dancing easier than Ballroom ( Samba excepted - have never danced social Samba or Paso, whatever that might be!)
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I believe Paso started as a social dance in France. Social samba I have seen on cruises. Usually not very pretty although wouldn't want to generalise.
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I have often wondered if there is such a thing as a social Paso. I can't quite imagine it. As for social samba - I guess you need a carnival to follow!
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That looked dangerous. No traffic management rules it seems.I have been to a few weddings where they have danced Sevillanas - not the same as Paso I know. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJbk2bNnZU0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8fpYIuwxcw or just find a space in a bar https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38TmYBfgNGM |
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One of my favourite followers was told not to stick her bum out so much dancing AT. I love the look of bums sticking out.
What is the panel's view on the follower dancing with an arched back and so sticking her bum out in Argentine Tango? Something like this at 4:05 http://youtu.be/FgZoE_CIT9E?t=4m5s |
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great stuff love spanish music and the dancing they do
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question for Jennifer F and Kaycee did you see ITT last night? and Ian's remarks on Jake's quickstep ??? no one seems to have picked up on it elsewhere - but he did say that the beginning of it was not right and the technique was wrong - which of course is down to Janette - wonder what is wrong with it ?
think she will produce a Burn The Floor quickstep full of trot and charleston - which thinking about it is what Karen did |
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question for Jennifer F and Kaycee did you see ITT last night? and Ian's remarks on Jake's quickstep ??? no one seems to have picked up on it elsewhere - but he did say that the beginning of it was not right and the technique was wrong - which of course is down to Janette - wonder what is wrong with it ?
think she will produce a Burn The Floor quickstep full of trot and charleston - which thinking about it is what Karen did |
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No I did not see it unfortunately, that comment from Ian sounds very interesting ! I would love to see the clip if there is one ?
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Janette comes from a Salsa background. Has she danced a reasonable Ballroom? As a great dancer she should be able to pick it up.
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Janette comes from a Salsa background. Has she danced a reasonable Ballroom? As a great dancer she should be able to pick it up.
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question for Jennifer F and Kaycee did you see ITT last night? and Ian's remarks on Jake's quickstep ??? no one seems to have picked up on it elsewhere - but he did say that the beginning of it was not right and the technique was wrong - which of course is down to Janette - wonder what is wrong with it ?
think she will produce a Burn The Floor quickstep full of trot and charleston - which thinking about it is what Karen did |
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At least he has a rise and fall this time
even if it is in the wrong place (which admittedly may not be Janette's fault except he is starting from zero not having done it properly in waltz).
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Are you going to start sneaking some pivots in so he has to teach us?!

Social mores plucked from another country and another century.
. I have been unable to unearth any good reason for these affectations and IMO they are very much to the detriment of AT as a social activity and act as a barrier when it comes to encouraging 21st century people into the community. I subvert the rules as often as I can.
For example - I ask men to dance.
