Solomon must of felt like banging his head against a brick wall when nobody could understand the difference between the internet based technology that he was involved in and the wearable technology that was involved in the task, why would you expect someone that does business with social network sites to be perfect for creating a clothing item with wearable technology?
was solomon in the right?
Originally Posted by leon_blayer:
“Solomon must of felt like banging his head against a brick when nobody could understand the difference between the internet based technology that he was involved in and the wearable technology that was involved in the task, why would you expect someone that does business with social network sites to be perfect for creating a clothing item with wearable technology?”
“Solomon must of felt like banging his head against a brick when nobody could understand the difference between the internet based technology that he was involved in and the wearable technology that was involved in the task, why would you expect someone that does business with social network sites to be perfect for creating a clothing item with wearable technology?”
I definitely agree, it was more of an excuse than Robert's freaking defence. I like Solomon so far, I'm getting big Nick Holzherr vibes from him thus far and he was my favourite in Series 8.
Originally Posted by TXF0429:
“I definitely agree, it was more of an excuse than Robert's freaking defence. I like Solomon so far, I'm getting big Nick Holzherr vibes from him thus far and he was my favourite in Series 8.”
“I definitely agree, it was more of an excuse than Robert's freaking defence. I like Solomon so far, I'm getting big Nick Holzherr vibes from him thus far and he was my favourite in Series 8.”
It was an absolute joke that Nick didn't win Series 8. I thought he was a shoo-in, or failing him Jade. Getting rid of Jade was understandable because her business wasn't great, but Nick's was amazing. I'd have used it, I know a lot of people that would have done. Not that Ricky didn't deserve it, I was supporting him out of the final two, but I thought Nick was exceptional.
I think Lord Sugar actually could see where Solomon was coming from with regards to his experience not being directly applicable to the task. Most of the criticism that Sugar gave him in the final boardroom seemed more focused around him not pushing his light-up socks idea harder.
I think Solly was right, there is a huge difference. His skills are nothing to do with clothing, and the clothing has to be good no matter what tech you put into it.
Bianca and Nurun were closer and they were still miles away from a decent fit for this task.
Bianca and Nurun were closer and they were still miles away from a decent fit for this task.
Originally Posted by lightdragon:
“I think Solly was right, there is a huge difference. His skills are nothing to do with clothing, and the clothing has to be good no matter what tech you put into it.
Bianca and Nurun were closer and they were still miles away from a decent fit for this task.”
“I think Solly was right, there is a huge difference. His skills are nothing to do with clothing, and the clothing has to be good no matter what tech you put into it.
Bianca and Nurun were closer and they were still miles away from a decent fit for this task.
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Robert on the other hand...
I didn't understand Solomn's resistance. I didn't understand the others' resistance either.
The task was designed to showcase your skills and ability to find a gap in the market, create a concept, utilise your knowledge and/or skills to make it work, and communicate with the others in turning that concept into a prototype, and make retailers fall in love with said prototype.
Whether you're familiar with a field/market or that you have the experience is completely irrelevant. You create a concept, you make it work, you believe in it, you make the retailers fall in love with it. That's all you have to do.
If you can't do that, then you're not an entrepreneur. Solomon should have utilised his knowledge of social media and the Internet to find a way to marry it to something wearable.
The task was designed to showcase your skills and ability to find a gap in the market, create a concept, utilise your knowledge and/or skills to make it work, and communicate with the others in turning that concept into a prototype, and make retailers fall in love with said prototype.
Whether you're familiar with a field/market or that you have the experience is completely irrelevant. You create a concept, you make it work, you believe in it, you make the retailers fall in love with it. That's all you have to do.
If you can't do that, then you're not an entrepreneur. Solomon should have utilised his knowledge of social media and the Internet to find a way to marry it to something wearable.
Originally Posted by TXF0429:
“Robert on the other hand...”
“Robert on the other hand...
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I'm trying to find a nice word for Robert, but atm the only one I can think of is "t**ser".
Give it a week or so though and his "Is it Italian?" for a bit of grey cloth may be in my top 20 fave quotes ever.
Originally Posted by Takae:
“I didn't understand Solomn's resistance. I didn't understand the others' resistance either.
The task was designed to showcase your skills and ability to find a gap in the market, create a concept, utilise your knowledge and/or skills to make it work, and communicate with the others in turning that concept into a prototype, and make retailers fall in love with said prototype.
Whether you're familiar with a field/market or that you have the experience is completely irrelevant. You create a concept, you make it work, you believe in it, you make the retailers fall in love with it. That's all you have to do.
If you can't do that, then you're not an entrepreneur. Solomon should have utilised his knowledge of social media and the Internet to find a way to marry it to something wearable.”
“I didn't understand Solomn's resistance. I didn't understand the others' resistance either.
The task was designed to showcase your skills and ability to find a gap in the market, create a concept, utilise your knowledge and/or skills to make it work, and communicate with the others in turning that concept into a prototype, and make retailers fall in love with said prototype.
Whether you're familiar with a field/market or that you have the experience is completely irrelevant. You create a concept, you make it work, you believe in it, you make the retailers fall in love with it. That's all you have to do.
If you can't do that, then you're not an entrepreneur. Solomon should have utilised his knowledge of social media and the Internet to find a way to marry it to something wearable.”
I agree. I think back to the year with Helen and Tom, when they designed a chocolate biscuit. They received quite a few negative comments about the quality of their product. Helen pitched the product really well and they ended up winning the task with correct if I am wrong, a record amount of orders. Yasmin's chocolates were awful but she won as her product concept was better than Kate's. Lord Sugar isn't expected them to be the next big great inventor, it's all about the thought processes and application of skills. He wants to see how they develop a product or service, market it, present it to large companies and how they manage and work with others. It's a shame that most of the canditates are too busy with their heads up their own assess to realise that's what the show is about.
Originally Posted by lightdragon:
“I'm trying to find a nice word for Robert, but atm the only one I can think of is "t**ser".
Give it a week or so though and his "Is it Italian?" for a bit of grey cloth may be in my top 20 fave quotes ever.”
“I'm trying to find a nice word for Robert, but atm the only one I can think of is "t**ser".
Give it a week or so though and his "Is it Italian?" for a bit of grey cloth may be in my top 20 fave quotes ever.”
Someone elsewhere described him as "Sheephead" which I thought was absolute genius.
I like Solomon; he is a bit like Nick from Season 8 I agree. He has good, intelligent ideas but is talked down and caves in really easily and quickly.I like Sanjay and James as they actually come up with ideas whereas a lot of them do little and Mark for example, who just summarises things that have gone wrong in a really monotone and condescending way.
Originally Posted by Rueben_Clara:
“I agree. I think back to the year with Helen and Tom, when they designed a chocolate biscuit. They received quite a few negative comments about the quality of their product. Helen pitched the product really well and they ended up winning the task with correct if I am wrong, a record amount of orders. Yasmin's chocolates were awful but she won as her product concept was better than Kate's. Lord Sugar isn't expected them to be the next big great inventor, it's all about the thought processes and application of skills. He wants to see how they develop a product or service, market it, present it to large companies and how they manage and work with others. It's a shame that most of the canditates are too busy with their heads up their own assess to realise that's what the show is about.”
“I agree. I think back to the year with Helen and Tom, when they designed a chocolate biscuit. They received quite a few negative comments about the quality of their product. Helen pitched the product really well and they ended up winning the task with correct if I am wrong, a record amount of orders. Yasmin's chocolates were awful but she won as her product concept was better than Kate's. Lord Sugar isn't expected them to be the next big great inventor, it's all about the thought processes and application of skills. He wants to see how they develop a product or service, market it, present it to large companies and how they manage and work with others. It's a shame that most of the canditates are too busy with their heads up their own assess to realise that's what the show is about.”
The 'it's not exactly what I do' excuse is a cover-up; that's not the reason they don't want to be PM, it's because at this stage it's difficult to lead a team effectively, because there are too many big personalities and they don't all know how to work with each other yet. It makes total sense to not want to do it for a few weeks.
I don't think that "relevant experience" - even if not stretched - is important. People use it as an excuse to avoid being PM or to be PM when it suits them. There are so many aspects of a task that are important which don't need "relevant experience" - eg. considering how to pay for your purchases or time management!
Coming up with inventions can be the hardest tasks because if you get the early decision wrong you can't recover.
The concept of wearable technology was badly thought through as so many of them wanted flashing lights which seems to be ridiculously childish. I would have taken my cue from a watch - which is useful. Unfortunately, I don't even wear a watch! What else do people want to carry around that is useful?
You only want one thing because then the people who want it will consider buying it. If you incorporate three things some people think that you would increase the potential market but you are more likely to decrease it because many people wont want one or two of the items.
Coming up with inventions can be the hardest tasks because if you get the early decision wrong you can't recover.
The concept of wearable technology was badly thought through as so many of them wanted flashing lights which seems to be ridiculously childish. I would have taken my cue from a watch - which is useful. Unfortunately, I don't even wear a watch! What else do people want to carry around that is useful?
You only want one thing because then the people who want it will consider buying it. If you incorporate three things some people think that you would increase the potential market but you are more likely to decrease it because many people wont want one or two of the items.
They are quite limited in their scope though (this is not shown in the edit). They usually have guidelines as to what they can and can't do - it's not a completely free reign on ideas. That's why the flashing lights was one of the few things they could include in the time available (and was probably on the list of approved ideas they were given).
Originally Posted by Rueben_Clara:
“I agree. I think back to the year with Helen and Tom, when they designed a chocolate biscuit. They received quite a few negative comments about the quality of their product. Helen pitched the product really well and they ended up winning the task with correct if I am wrong, a record amount of orders. Yasmin's chocolates were awful but she won as her product concept was better than Kate's. Lord Sugar isn't expected them to be the next big great inventor, it's all about the thought processes and application of skills. He wants to see how they develop a product or service, market it, present it to large companies and how they manage and work with others. It's a shame that most of the canditates are too busy with their heads up their own assess to realise that's what the show is about.”
“I agree. I think back to the year with Helen and Tom, when they designed a chocolate biscuit. They received quite a few negative comments about the quality of their product. Helen pitched the product really well and they ended up winning the task with correct if I am wrong, a record amount of orders. Yasmin's chocolates were awful but she won as her product concept was better than Kate's. Lord Sugar isn't expected them to be the next big great inventor, it's all about the thought processes and application of skills. He wants to see how they develop a product or service, market it, present it to large companies and how they manage and work with others. It's a shame that most of the canditates are too busy with their heads up their own assess to realise that's what the show is about.”
Not really. Helen produced a decent concept. She mastered stage one which was to produce something that tasted nice and put it in a concept and sold it well . Tom failed at stage one - on actually being able to produce something anyone would want to eat - by going for something cheap and nasty . Tom won in the end because he had a nail file patent - not his biscuit designing ability. . Making a biscuit also requires very little knowledge - just taste buds, a name with a theme and an idea for a box. There's a demand there and an obvious known enduse and need.
Yasmina won by producng something cheap and nasty no one would want to eat - but it was dismissed as an issue that time. Kate produced something that people would want to eat but needed to cut costs.
This time we had a niche market, with technological options available- and one that most sane people would never buy, and had no experience of. What could be done, how it could be done, what it could look like, and who might buy it ,were all unknowns to both teams. Lord Sugar assuming a scarf seller, or a luxury fashion expert, or a software engineer, could transfer any knowledge to wearable technology was pretty nonsensical - like assuming a house painter knows about Holbein's, or a plumber can design nuclear reactors.
Originally Posted by george.millman:
“The 'it's not exactly what I do' excuse is a cover-up; that's not the reason they don't want to be PM, it's because at this stage it's difficult to lead a team effectively, because there are too many big personalities and they don't all know how to work with each other yet. It makes total sense to not want to do it for a few weeks.”
“The 'it's not exactly what I do' excuse is a cover-up; that's not the reason they don't want to be PM, it's because at this stage it's difficult to lead a team effectively, because there are too many big personalities and they don't all know how to work with each other yet. It makes total sense to not want to do it for a few weeks.”
There's now more contestants so the early stages are even more difficult. You have the dead deadwood awaiting burning, and the loud deadwood imposing its will. You also have few chances to shine as PM , and there's a risk now that being an OK losing PM may not save you if 2 or 3 go any week.
We have had some winners and runners up who went on early as Pms but half of the winners have waited till weeks 6-7, and a lot of runners up have waited till at least week 5.
The model how to win I think is still Kendra (US series 3)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_App...(U.S._season_3)
Waits till week 8, and then gets 3 PM wins before its all over...........
Originally Posted by leon_blayer:
“Solomon must of felt like banging his head against a brick wall when nobody could understand the difference between the internet based technology that he was involved in and the wearable technology that was involved in the task, why would you expect someone that does business with social network sites to be perfect for creating a clothing item with wearable technology?”
“Solomon must of felt like banging his head against a brick wall when nobody could understand the difference between the internet based technology that he was involved in and the wearable technology that was involved in the task, why would you expect someone that does business with social network sites to be perfect for creating a clothing item with wearable technology?”
I'm a Software Developer and this is very common when dealing with non-IT people. If I tell people I'm a Software Developer people will ask me to fix their computer or fix "their Internets". You may as well ask a plumber to fix a car engine.
Originally Posted by Rueben_Clara:
“I agree. I think back to the year with Helen and Tom, when they designed a chocolate biscuit. They received quite a few negative comments about the quality of their product. Helen pitched the product really well and they ended up winning the task with correct if I am wrong, a record amount of orders. Yasmin's chocolates were awful but she won as her product concept was better than Kate's. Lord Sugar isn't expected them to be the next big great inventor, it's all about the thought processes and application of skills. He wants to see how they develop a product or service, market it, present it to large companies and how they manage and work with others. It's a shame that most of the canditates are too busy with their heads up their own assess to realise that's what the show is about.”
“I agree. I think back to the year with Helen and Tom, when they designed a chocolate biscuit. They received quite a few negative comments about the quality of their product. Helen pitched the product really well and they ended up winning the task with correct if I am wrong, a record amount of orders. Yasmin's chocolates were awful but she won as her product concept was better than Kate's. Lord Sugar isn't expected them to be the next big great inventor, it's all about the thought processes and application of skills. He wants to see how they develop a product or service, market it, present it to large companies and how they manage and work with others. It's a shame that most of the canditates are too busy with their heads up their own assess to realise that's what the show is about.”
The point about giving tasks that are out of someone's experience is to see what they do.
Do they completely avoid it, like Robert...? If so, fire them for not taking on a challenge. Do they screw it up like Scott did...? Then fire them for being rubbish. If they appreciate they may not know everything and but then manage a team effectively and produce a product that the buyer wants then you keep them in.
