Emmerdaily- 17th October.Within these walls.

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skteosk

18-10-2014

Originally Posted by ferdybookgeek:
“Declan's lost his home, position and family himself. No-one forced him to burn his house down and commit insurance fraud, no-one forced him to marry Chaity when he knew full well she was manipulative and didn't want more children, no-one forced him to go crazy and go on the run. He made all those choices himself. And just because he thought he was a poor victim of Charity's so called evil it didn't give him the right to try and kill her. He got himself into his own mess and then he ran away from that mess and left Charity to deal with the aftermath. I doubt he's somewhere suffering, he'll have set up a new life for himself and be living it up - so yea, he's gotten away with everything.

Jai has not been injured more than Charity - he wasn't locked up, terrified for days, starved and chained up. I doubt anyone would rather have been in Charity's position than Jai's little tumble down the stairs and a coma for a couple of days in a comfortable bed, surrounded by his loved ones.

Sam losing Rachel because of Charity (who btw he forgot immediately when some other girl came in the picture) is not the same as leaving someone for dead in a tin box. At least Charity was remorseful for the bad she'd done to Sam and tried to make it up to him, whereas Sam isn't guilty whatsoever for the evil he did to her and no doubt, he'll still act like the victim and as if Charity is the evil one. Er no, both are awful, but Sam to me is much worse.”

No-one forced Charity to shack up with an arsonist, frame someone else for his crime so she could set herself up as the lady of the manor at his side, pretend she wanted a baby with him and then have an abortion once she'd got him locked into a marriage he couldn't get out of without leaving her a rich woman, while blaming it on his sister to get her out of the way. She knew what she was doing, she knew the consequences if she got found out, and she's only paid a fraction of them.

Jai's got a brain injury. Charity got a bit dirty and thirsty and got knocked about a bit, she didn't have any life threatening injuries and she's up on her feet already. Sam didn't even do anything to her, he just didn't lift a finger to help her. Who would?

ferdybookgeek

18-10-2014

Originally Posted by skteosk:
“No-one forced Charity to shack up with an arsonist, frame someone else for his crime so she could set herself up as the lady of the manor at his side, pretend she wanted a baby with him and then have an abortion once she'd got him locked into a marriage he couldn't get out of without leaving her a rich woman, while blaming it on his sister to get her out of the way. She knew what she was doing, she knew the consequences if she got found out, and she's only paid a fraction of them.

Jai's got a brain injury. Charity got a bit dirty and thirsty and got knocked about a bit, she didn't have any life threatening injuries and she's up on her feet already. Sam didn't even do anything to her, he just didn't lift a finger to help her. Who would?”

No, like Declan no-one forced Charity to do those things but she wasn't the one who ended up trying to commit murder or kill someone whilst doing so, and then blame someone else for those actions, and then get away with everything instead of facing up to their crimes.

Jai's 'brain injury' amounts to nothing and will have NO long term consequences, he won't be traumatised by it any way. He'll get back to his normal life in less than a week. Whereas Charity's kidnap and torture could leave long lasting psychological scars, even if Charity puts on a front, she won't get over what happened to her just like that.

Sam not lifting a finger to help her just shows exactly what sort of a horrid person he is. At least Charity and everyone else knows she's a selfish, greedy, manipulative cow. But poor hard done by Sam is still meant to be a good person yet he left his cousin to rot. He's worse than Charity because he pretends to be a good guy but whenever someone does something he doesn't like, he'll stab them in the back., look what he did to Eli and Olena.

Oldnjaded

18-10-2014

I'm not happy with Sam either. He's done a helluva lot of both very bad and very stupid things in the last few years I've been watching, but I think we're all supposed to excuse him everything because he's portrayed as 'not the full shilling'.

Yet there's been plenty of times we've seen Sam being the only one to actually talk any sense, and he knew full well about the dangers of credit cards, because he mentioned them to Toxic when she first suggested it.

Hence his nickname of 'SimpleWhenItSuitsHimSam'. I'm not buying it. Don't care how much you hate someone - leaving them to die a long, slow, agonising death isn't the solution.

I hasten to add I want a much bigger comeuppance for Charity than she's had so far.

John Dough

18-10-2014

Originally Posted by Oldnjaded:
“Bahahahahaha!! (Ignore him Mr B - he's very very rude).

Erm, how many times did you remind us about your upcoming birthday......starting about 2 months before the actual date? ”

And a lot of good it did me eh?

Mr B has been as subtle as a brick mentioning his forthcoming centenary.

CollieWobbles

18-10-2014

Declan, Jai and Sam are worse than Charity, because, unlike her, they killed or tried to kill someone. Declan tried to kill Charity and did kill Robbie, Jai tried to kill Charity by leaving her to die, and so did Sam, and if he was a better liar , he'd probably have succeeded. Nothing Charity has done has involved anything that bad. Yes she's done bad things, she's lied, deceived, and manipulated, but she hasn't killed or tried to kill anyone, and whist what she has done isn't very nice, she doesn't deserve to die for it.

Oldnjaded

18-10-2014

Originally Posted by John Dough:
“And a lot of good it did me eh?
Mr B has been as subtle as a brick mentioning his forthcoming centenary.”

SULLA

18-10-2014

Originally Posted by ferdybookgeek:
“Declan has got away with arson, insurance fraud, blackmail, attempted murder and murder, he's probably living it up somewhere and he'll probably get someone pregnant and have a child soon enough.
Jai's coma is nothing, he's back to normal again in a few days and no doubt Megan will forgive him and Leyla will be pining for him.
Sam loves being a dimwit.

None of them have been tortured, humiliated, traumatised, threatened and demonized for their wrongdoings, only Charity has.”

Originally Posted by ferdybookgeek:
“No, like Declan no-one forced Charity to do those things but she wasn't the one who ended up trying to commit murder or kill someone whilst doing so, and then blame someone else for those actions, and then get away with everything instead of facing up to their crimes.

Jai's 'brain injury' amounts to nothing and will have NO long term consequences, he won't be traumatised by it any way. He'll get back to his normal life in less than a week. Whereas Charity's kidnap and torture could leave long lasting psychological scars, even if Charity puts on a front, she won't get over what happened to her just like that.

Sam not lifting a finger to help her just shows exactly what sort of a horrid person he is. At least Charity and everyone else knows she's a selfish, greedy, manipulative cow. But poor hard done by Sam is still meant to be a good person yet he left his cousin to rot. He's worse than Charity because he pretends to be a good guy but whenever someone does something he doesn't like, he'll stab them in the back., look what he did to Eli and Olena.”

Some excellent posting here.

kwynne42

18-10-2014

Originally Posted by skteosk:
“Oh god, can someone stop Debbie's whining? At least she had the sense to get out of there once everything was sorted. Cain really has gone soft: Once upon a time, not only would he have left Charity there, he'd have used that rock on her head to make sure. Instead, he waffles a lot about her children, like having her in their lives is in any way a good thing. So, once again she comes out of it looking like the victim: Kerry was spot on about the cow, she was planning to disappear anyway, Jai just kind of hijacked it. Cain telling Charity about Sam is a curious tactic, as it stood he was in the clear unless Jai came round and remembered telling him. Still, if it gets Jai off the hook that's fine.

Bernice randomly starts mentioning Robert while holding up a neon sign saying Returning Character Alert.”

Despite the abuse Debbie gets for not seeing her children she chose to go to her own sons birthday party rather than check on her mother, yes it escaped all those concerned posters notice who claim Debbie neglects her children that it was Jacks Brithday as well as Molly's. Thia was where Noah and Samson where going when Noah was moaning about his mother.

Pandora.

18-10-2014

Originally Posted by skteosk:
“Declan's lost everything that Charity has and more: His home, his position, his family, everything he's built up. Jai has been injured a lot more than Charity, who will also be back to normal in a few days, and has lost his son. Sam lost his girlfriend and had to spend time in jail, this is just evening up the score and not by much. Charity got off lightly, she'll no doubt avoid any legal punishment and be back shacked up with another rich man and expecting her family to do everything she says before long.”

Excellent posts skteosk!

However, I place Jai well below Charity. He deserves medieval style punishments just for existing.

Oldnjaded

18-10-2014

Originally Posted by kwynne42:
“Despite the abuse Debbie gets for not seeing her children she chose to go to her own sons birthday party rather than check on her mother, yes it escaped all those concerned posters notice who claim Debbie neglects her children that it was Jacks Brithday as well as Molly's. Thia was where Noah and Samson where going when Noah was moaning about his mother.”

Erm, not quite kwynne. Her mother had already been found, more or less safe and well, at which point Dobbeh went back to hating her again and used the excuse of Jack's birthday party to get away from her.

Don't blame her at all, but it wasn't really Jack she was thinking of.

Hound of Love

18-10-2014

Originally Posted by Pandora.:
“Excellent posts skteosk!

However, I place Jai well below Charity. He deserves medieval style punishments just for existing. ”

I'm also refusing to buy into any of the "poor Charity" posts that have sprung up.

Thanks star and bornfree, by the way!

star89

18-10-2014

Originally Posted by CollieWobbles:
“Declan, Jai and Sam are worse than Charity, because, unlike her, they killed or tried to kill someone. Declan tried to kill Charity and did kill Robbie, Jai tried to kill Charity by leaving her to die, and so did Sam, and if he was a better liar , he'd probably have succeeded. Nothing Charity has done has involved anything that bad. Yes she's done bad things, she's lied, deceived, and manipulated, but she hasn't killed or tried to kill anyone, and whist what she has done isn't very nice, she doesn't deserve to die for it.”

Totally agree.

IMO Charity has shown herself to be a greedy, manipulative, lying, selfish cow. No one can deny that and she herself wouldn't either. But Sam, Declan and Jai, like you say, have done things much worse than that.

Originally Posted by Hound of Love:
“

I'm also refusing to buy into any of the "poor Charity" posts that have sprung up.

Thanks star and bornfree, by the way!”

You are welcome Houndy

I don't think it's a case of 'poor Charity,' she's done some horrible, horrible things and I don't think anyone can say she doesn't deserve some serious pay back BUT she doesn't deserve to die. All these people that say Charity is evil and she deserves it seem to have over looked Declan trying to MURDER her and MURDERING Robbie. Jai leaving her for DEAD and Sam doing the same. Those actions are far worse than Charity's lies and deception. No, Charity should not be forgiven for what she's done and no one should pander to her just because she's been kidnapped, she still did what she did. But Sam, Declan and Jai have all proven themselves to be far worse people than Charity.

SULLA

19-10-2014

Originally Posted by star89:
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IMO Charity has shown herself to be a Fabulous greedy, manipulative, lying, selfish cow. No one can deny that and she herself wouldn't either. But Sam, Declan and Jai, like you say, have done things much worse than that. ”

Amended.

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I don't think it's a case of 'poor Charity,' she's done some horrible, horrible things and I don't think anyone can say she doesn't deserve some serious pay back BUT she doesn't deserve to die. All these people that say Charity is evil and she deserves it seem to have over looked Declan trying to MURDER her and MURDERING Robbie. Jai leaving her for DEAD and Sam doing the same. Those actions are far worse than Charity's lies and deception. No, Charity should not be forgiven for what she's done and no one should pander to her just because she's been kidnapped, she still did what she did. But Sam, Declan and Jai have all proven themselves to be far worse people than Charity.”

I disagree with the BIB. If she truly repents, why shouldn't she be forgiven. ?

skteosk

19-10-2014

Originally Posted by SULLA:
“ If she truly repents, why shouldn't she be forgiven. ?”

But is Charity even capable of truly repenting? She might say she's sorry a few times and make a few token gestures to salve her conscience (but only to family), but she's not going to help Jai get his son back or Sam get Rachel back, she's not going to go to the police, confess everything and take her due punishment, and if she finds herself in a similar circumstance she'd do it all again. She's not going to change.

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