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Is Bryan Kirkwood's killing of Pat Butcher the biggest mistake in soap history? |
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62 | 72.09% |
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24 | 27.91% |
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I'd agree that bringing Bobby back from the dead was probably the worst mistake in soap history because it opened the door for equally moronic plots. I understand why they did it and yes it increased the ratings for a few months but it was a huge mistake in my view. But then i'm part of the minority that actually really enjoyed the dream season and thought it was a better show without him.
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I realise that Wendy Richard's death meant that Pauline would have had to have gone soon afterwards anyway but leaving that aside I actually think killing Pauline off was a bigger mistake than Pat. I meand she hadn't even asked for a Break, just said she didn't think Pauline would remarry and persona"ly I think she was right about that.
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I realise that Wendy Richard's death meant that Pauline would have had to have gone soon afterwards anyway but leaving that aside I actually think killing Pauline off was a bigger mistake than Pat. I meand she hadn't even asked for a Break, just said she didn't think Pauline would remarry and persona"ly I think she was right about that.
worse than the Pat thing.
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I realise that Wendy Richard's death meant that Pauline would have had to have gone soon afterwards anyway but leaving that aside I actually think killing Pauline off was a bigger mistake than Pat. I meand she hadn't even asked for a Break, just said she didn't think Pauline would remarry and persona"ly I think she was right about that.
I think the only way Pauline would have left the square was by dying but the whole thing was just so shoddy. From making Pauline so nasty so her actual death which was cringe. It should have been handled so much better. |
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Wendy was right. Tony Jordan was still storyline consultant. He even created Joe so I'm surprised he took the character down that route.
I think the only way Pauline would have left the square was by dying but the whole thing was just so shoddy. From making Pauline so nasty so her actual death which was cringe. It should have been handled so much better. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cEnowIrrsE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAro9F-ZLg8 |
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Yes. Easily the most stupid, baffling and pointless decision ever made by a soap producer. There was literally no reason to kill Pat off. I get angry just thinking about it
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The way Wendy Richard was treated was a ****ing disgrace! You know what the worst thing was? the fact they had a fire story so the Fowler house was messed up. Wendy took great pride in making sure that set was always looking clean and perfect. They stuck two fingers up to her and the even bigger insult was the fruit bowl being smashed. That was another thing Wendy took great pleasure in making was always on the table at all times as Julia Smith made a point of saying thats where it had to be and it was a bowl Julia herself brought in from home. The fact they had Pauline smash it beggers belief.
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i suspect the death of pat for eastenders viewers is the biggest mistake in soap history, but for soaps in general the biggest mistake in soap history has to be the axing of martha longhurst in cs.
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I think you'll find that the biggest mistake in soap history was the axing of Poppy Meadow
I wish the beautiful Rachel Bright was back on TV ![]()
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No. It was a mistake but i understand why the decision was made at the timme. Pa. Asked to leave. Whether she made her intention for it to be temporary clear isn'( really known. It is all well and good Barbara Windsor going on record as saying that that she only wanted a break but was that communicated to Kirkwood at the time? If it wasn't, if she actually resigned then he was assuming it was for good and really why would Pat leave Ricky, Bianca and the kids of her own free will? I can see why the decision was made to kill her off and I think they did it well.
I loved Pat but person*lly think killing Kathy and especially Cindy off screen were bigger mistakes. |
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Wendy was right. Tony Jordan was still storyline consultant. He even created Joe so I'm surprised he took the character down that route.
I think the only way Pauline would have left the square was by dying but the whole thing was just so shoddy. From making Pauline so nasty so her actual death which was cringe. It should have been handled so much better. I think death was the only way to srite both Pauline and Pat out really. Although they did both have children abroad they could have gone to, it would have been out of character for both of them to leave the family that remained in the Square. The mistake they made with Pauline was taking her down a path that was so wrong Richards felt she needed to leave. I'. Not as down on Kirkwood for killing off Pat as many as I do think it would have been unbelievable for her to have abandoned Bianca and the kids so understand why he felt he had to kill her off when St Clement asked to leave. And as I've saud before, has it ever been officially stated that St Clement made it clear she just wanted a break or was itt a case that she didn't want to sign a new contract but was thinking to herself she would like the door to be left open for a return someday? |
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She'd jetted off to New Zealand a few times in her last few years - that could have happened again.
Jetting off for a holiday is one thing but personally I don't think that Pat would have left Bianca, Ricky and the kids longterm but that's just my perception of the character. |
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Yes I agree with you and Louise - the character assination they did on her last few months was appalling and actually c*me across as spiteful in the part of the writers.
I think death was the only way to srite both Pauline and Pat out really. Although they did both have children abroad they could have gone to, it would have been out of character for both of them to leave the family that remained in the Square. The mistake they made with Pauline was taking her down a path that was so wrong Richards felt she needed to leave. I'. Not as down on Kirkwood for killing off Pat as many as I do think it would have been unbelievable for her to have abandoned Bianca and the kids so understand why he felt he had to kill her off when St Clement asked to leave. And as I've saud before, has it ever been officially stated that St Clement made it clear she just wanted a break or was itt a case that she didn't want to sign a new contract but was thinking to herself she would like the door to be left open for a return someday? She may have done if Simon needed her? |
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She was treated like all the other legends, Den, Angie, Steve, Pauline, Kathy, Cindy etc.
Like total shit. The only cast member who is totally bulletproof is the torrent of Philth - just why escapes me. |
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If Pam didn't only want a break, then no, however the rushed cancer plot and Derek Branning domination were. It could have been done well like Hayley's in CS and Donna's in ED, even though neither of those actually died of the cancer.
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If Pam didn't only want a break, then no, however the rushed cancer plot and Derek Branning domination were. It could have been done well like Hayley's in CS and Donna's in ED, even though neither of those actually died of the cancer.
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Oh I miss Pat. She was always sobering, gave a sense of perspective to half the more stubborn annoying characters.
I get the feeling they're trying to create a new 'Pat' with Elaine to he honest. |
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It's the biggest mistake in recent memory but you could easily add it to the list of EastEnders mistakes when it comes to unnecessary deaths. I can come to terms with most of the deaths but Pat's sticks out as particularly idiotic given how low on the ground matriarchal characters with decades of on screen and off screen ties to Albert Square are still alive.
I'd have to say putting Kate Harwood in charge in 2005 and Bryan Kirkwood in 2010 were the biggest mistakes. They butchered (pardon the pun) EastEnders in so many ways. |
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I realise that Wendy Richard's death meant that Pauline would have had to have gone soon afterwards anyway but leaving that aside I actually think killing Pauline off was a bigger mistake than Pat. I meand she hadn't even asked for a Break, just said she didn't think Pauline would remarry and persona"ly I think she was right about that.
Khali Best as Dexter Hartman: Behaved like a thug Punches a taxi driver Gets caught smoking weed 'Come back Khali, you and Dexter are icons' It really pisses me the **** off!
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No. The world of soaps doesn't center on EE.
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The trouble is with EE and the BBC is they kill off good characters purely for sensationalism! Or axe the good actors! Leslie Grantham axed for something stupid, and Den killed off, Angie Kathy Cindy killed off screen, Meslissa Suffield (a real good actress who played Lucy right, and had so much potential) axed, Pat and Pauline killed off!
Khali Best as Dexter Hartman: Behaved like a thug Punches a taxi driver Gets caught smoking weed 'Come back Khali, you and Dexter are icons' It really pisses me the **** off! ![]() |
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worse than the Pat thing.
