[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Of course it will, they will remove PAYG unlimited soon I suspect.

Three UK have never ended a PAYG price plan there's still members on 3Pay, WePay, although I feel they'll introduce one before the 'June 2015' Ofcom forcing 0800 numbers for free (and use that as a incentive to switch to a new PAYG tariff).

[Thine Wonk]

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Originally Posted by Jack_Wilson2

Three UK have never ended a PAYG price plan there's still members on 3Pay, WePay, although I feel they'll introduce one before the 'June 2015' Ofcom forcing 0800 numbers for free (and use that as a incentive to switch to a new PAYG tariff).

Those didn't include unlimited data.

[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Those didn't include unlimited data.

It doesn't matter if it includes unlimited data or not.

Three UK can manage it or else it would of gone instantly it's as simple as that. It's up because they know they can manage it. (Even if it did it wouldn't be available to 'New Customers' Three UK have Never once changed a Three plan for existing customers.

For contract users once they made 'The One Plan' a Sim Only they could of stopped it at the same time of the 24 Month Plans but they decided to keep it as customers want it. There's too many people on 'The One Plan' to just stop it like that. Three UK wouldn't do that.

[omnidirectional]

However, the "All In One" packs which include AYCE data are add ons, not a tariff or plan. There is no commitment or contract involved so they're free to change what the add on includes at any time.

[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by omnidirectional

However, the "All In One" packs which include AYCE data are add ons, not a tariff or plan. There is no commitment or contract involved so they're free to change what the add on includes at any time.

I'll correct this post.

They've ONLY done this once on WePay which was a really really old tariff infact it's the oldest PAYG tariff on Three UK. The 'All In one' are part of a PAYG tariff on Three called 'Pay As You Go on Three' that's the tariff name.

There's also ;-

Pay As You Go on Three. (All-In-Ones)
3Pay. ( Where the tariffs would last for 90 Days ) - People still use this tariff
Flat12. (2009 tariff)
WePay. Older Tariff (This has being the ONLY tariff that has been closed and users of Three UK have being forced to change).

As Three UK say on http://support.three.co.uk/SRVS/CGI-...,Case=obj(4098) ;-

'If you joined us before September 2010 you’ll be on one of our older tariffs. You won’t be able to get all-you-can-eat data on our old tariffs,'

That implies that Three UK are happy with customers using previous tariffs just because the newest tariff supports 'Unlimited 4G Data' doesn't mean Three UK are going to change it. They'll create a brand new PAYG tariff and use other incentives to get customers to switch to it just like how they got people to switch from 3Pay to Pay As You Go on Three using the 'AYCE incentive' they'll no doubt use one of these as a intensive to switch (Of course this is a educated opinion as being a Three UK customer since 2006 ) ;-

- Free 0800 (Toll Free) numbers just like on contracts past June 2014.
- Limited Tethering COULD play a part in PAYG.
- LTE-A / VoLTE (I.E Only selected tariffs can access the LTE-A network as I don't think Three UK will be to happy having 'The One Plan' users on LTE-A).

There's loads of different incentives Three UK could use.

[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

Those didn't include unlimited data.

Unlimited data can be sustained with Traffic Sense.

[corf]

But on the other hand Three have history of changing the bundled content of the PAYG All in One addon's

When they were first released the All in One £15 bundle only included 500mb of data.

IMHO it is definitely getting changed, its the exact pattern (premature web site update/three denial) we saw with the one plan - except this time they get to force everyone off unlimited within 30 days.

[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by corf

But on the other hand Three have history of changing the bundled content of the PAYG All in One addon's

When they were first released the All in One £15 bundle only included 500mb of data.

IMHO it is definitely getting changed, its the exact pattern (premature web site update) we saw with the one plan - except this time they get to force everyone off unlimited within 30 days.

That swiftly got changed because they wanted to be still a 'Data-Built' network hardly a data built network offering 500MB of data was they?

AYCE was originally limited to 80GB after 500MB but users could consume 80GB so it got changed and capped to 1000GB (Which is in place as Three UK say to identify commercial use of the services which is not permitted under Three's terms and conditions).

The One Plan isn't getting changed until AT LEAST march 2016 when all The One Plan tariffs contract officially end (Even if Three UK wanted to change it they couldn't until at least march 2016) Unless they'd be customers complaining about a breach of contract (I know Three UK can do it but the complaints against them would mount to something extreme) . I honestly don't think Three UK will drop that tariff they already have the least customers out of any other major provider and that wouldn't do Three UK any good.

[omnidirectional]

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Originally Posted by Jack_Wilson2

. I honestly don't think Three UK will drop that tariff they already have the least customers out of any other major provider and that wouldn't do Three UK any good.

They wouldn't be dropping the tariff, which is the best PAYG tariff around at 1p MB/2p SMS/3p Minute. It's only the contents of the optional add on which would be changed. 3GB is still a generous amount, and if it helped to reduce congestion by preventing excessive use maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by omnidirectional

They wouldn't be dropping the tariff, which is the best PAYG tariff around at 1p MB/2p SMS/3p Minute. It's only the contents of the optional add on which would be changed. 3GB is still a generous amount, and if it helped to reduce congestion by preventing excessive use maybe it wouldn't be so bad.

You do know at the same time they upgrade to LTE it also increases the capacity and data performance throughout the mast? 3GB is not really a generous amount at all you can get better elsewhere Three UK want to be at the top of the game they've advertised themselves as like I said before 'The Data Built Network', '4G at no extra Cost' , 'Don't worry about extra data charges' Do you really think Three UK will get rid of AYCE after using them adverts? Especially when they've just recently got heavy backhauls with Virgin Media.

[Thine Wonk]

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Originally Posted by Jack_Wilson2

You do know at the same time they upgrade to LTE it also increases the capacity and data performance throughout the mast? 3GB is not really a generous amount at all you can get better elsewhere Three UK want to be at the top of the game they've advertised themselves as like I said before 'The Data Built Network', '4G at no extra Cost' , 'Don't worry about extra data charges' Do you really think Three UK will get rid of AYCE after using them adverts? Especially when they've just recently got heavy backhauls with Virgin Media.

They did yes, at a time when Vodafone had 90% 3G coverage and O2 had 50% of their customers on a smartphone and accounted for 18% of the UK's internet traffic despite having over 20 million customers. Three customers typically consumed over 4 times the data of an O2 user.

They have recently taken unlimited tethering off sim only and contract tariffs.
I don't think you can buy the unlimited PAYG tariff now? or you can I don't think it'll be long before they stop selling it.

[jonmorris]

Why did the thread get the subject: "Three pull 'all you can eat data' from PAYG add-on"?

Even if the £15 add on loses AYCE data, it was made clear the £25 one still had it. So, the OP said in the text that AYCE data from PAYG hasn't been pulled - just one add-on, which simply makes it £10 more expensive to get, but not impossible.

It's annoying that this is about Three, again, as it clearly sets me up to be a 'Three apologist' but I'd have said the same about any other thread with a misleading title, of which there are so many - but perhaps disproportionately about Three.

Clearly the subject should be something like 'Three to pull £15 AYCE add on from PAYG?'. Or, 'Three website shows end of £15 AYCE data add-on for PAYG'.

[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by Thine Wonk

They did yes, at a time when Vodafone had 90% 3G coverage and O2 had 50% of their customers on a smartphone and accounted for 18% of the UK's internet traffic despite having over 20 million customers. Three customers typically consumed over 4 times the data of an O2 user.

They have recently taken unlimited tethering off sim only and contract tariffs.
I don't think you can buy the unlimited PAYG tariff now? or you can I don't think it'll be long before they stop selling it.

There's no problem with Three UK users consuming over 4 times the data they've got the best backhauls.

No they haven't you can still get the 'All In One 15' with unlimited (1000GB) worth of data.

[jabbamk1]

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Originally Posted by Jack_Wilson2

There's no problem with Three UK users consuming over 4 times the data they've got the best backhauls.

No they haven't you can still get the 'All In One 15' with unlimited (1000GB) worth of data.

You can go over 1000GB. This has been said before.

[jonmorris]

I've consumed a lot of data in a month but never come anywhere close to 1000GB! Not even half that!

I'm not too worried about what happens to AYCE on PAYG as I am now using it purely as PAYG, in a tablet (which is now allowed as it's 7-inches). 1GB for £10 with 150MB free for every £5 topup, thus 1.3GB for £10. That's ample for a tablet, and the best thing is that it's PAYG so some weeks or even months go by where I barely use any data at all - so overall I'm quids in.

Of course, if I had PAYG as my main phone then I'd be a little more upset, but given it hasn't actually happened yet and Three has once again messed up something on its website, let's save the disappointment until it does happen!

[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

You can go over 1000GB. This has been said before.

Not on PAYG for a fact i've managed to get to 1000GB exactly and the data add-on just cuts off and you're left with Minutes/Texts unless you call them up and get questioned as to how you used that much data or top-up again.

Contract users may be different.

[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by jabbamk1

You can go over 1000GB. This has been said before.

The data fields for PAYG are set at '1000GB' that was when I was streaming things over ChromeCast 24/7. Also got throttled to 0.2meg for 7 days during peak times, not sure about contract I've never reached that amount over contract.

Also if you read Three UK's terms and conditions it actually says a cap for AYCE is in place at 1000GB usage in a single month. (It makes me laugh when people say they've used 2TB etc... It's not possible at least on PAYG - Contract it may be)

[canvey]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

Why did the thread get the subject: "Three pull 'all you can eat data' from PAYG add-on"?

Even if the £15 add on loses AYCE data, it was made clear the £25 one still had it. So, the OP said in the text that AYCE data from PAYG hasn't been pulled - just one add-on, which simply makes it £10 more expensive to get, but not impossible.

It's annoying that this is about Three, again, as it clearly sets me up to be a 'Three apologist' but I'd have said the same about any other thread with a misleading title, of which there are so many - but perhaps disproportionately about Three.

Clearly the subject should be something like 'Three to pull £15 AYCE add on from PAYG?'. Or, 'Three website shows end of £15 AYCE data add-on for PAYG'.

Sorry for not being more accurate for you.

However the subject is or was still true. Three did pull 'All you can east data' from a PAYG add-on. I did not say they pulled it from all add-ons, so I was correct. Sorry if you misunderstood it.

[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by jonmorris

I've consumed a lot of data in a month but never come anywhere close to 1000GB! Not even half that!

I'm not too worried about what happens to AYCE on PAYG as I am now using it purely as PAYG, in a tablet (which is now allowed as it's 7-inches). 1GB for £10 with 150MB free for every £5 topup, thus 1.3GB for £10. That's ample for a tablet, and the best thing is that it's PAYG so some weeks or even months go by where I barely use any data at all - so overall I'm quids in.

Of course, if I had PAYG as my main phone then I'd be a little more upset, but given it hasn't actually happened yet and Three has once again messed up something on its website, let's save the disappointment until it does happen!

Not many users use 1000GB in a single month although there's plenty of 'Heavy Users' on Three UK after all what do you expect on a 'Unlimited' 3G/4G service? (Rhetorical Question).

I think the whole scrapping 'Unlimited' Data would cause Three UK a LOT of problems I mean after all the advertising they've done and all the backhauls they've put in place it seems absolutely pointless to scrap it. Or else why get backhauls from VM business to deal with aggressive sites in the first place?

The problem with PAYG at the moment is (Correct me if I'm wrong) but from my understanding the Sim Cards of Pay As You Go On Three price plan (Tariff) aren't provisioned to block tethering as hard as the new contract plans are I know people who get away with tethering on PAYG, which is why I believe they're going to introduce a new tariff as the Sim Only plans have this 'Tethering Cap' in place as it would make sense to make a new tariff which had the Sim Cards provisioned to block tethering more effectively than the current attempts of blocking users.

But as you said it's not happened yet and there's no guarantee it will ever happen.

[Jack_Wilson2]

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Originally Posted by canvey

Sorry for not being more accurate for you.

However the subject is or was still true. Three did pull 'All you can east data' from a PAYG add-on. I did not say they pulled it from all add-ons, so I was correct. Sorry if you misunderstood it.

Confused.

There was no add-on for PAYG that just had 'All-You-Can-Eat' data. You could always only purchase it through a 'All In One'....

[omnidirectional]

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Originally Posted by Jack_Wilson2

I think the whole scrapping 'Unlimited' Data would cause Three UK a LOT of problems I mean after all the advertising they've done and all the backhauls they've put in place it seems absolutely pointless to scrap it. Or else why get backhauls from VM business to deal with aggressive sites in the first place?

EE also use Virgin Media Backhaul but have no unlimited data tariffs. Good backhaul doesn't mean a network will offer unlimited data.

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Originally Posted by Jack_Wilson2

There was no add-on for PAYG that just had 'All-You-Can-Eat' data. You could always only purchase it through a 'All In One'....

Yes, which three call an "add on":

All-in-One 15 Add-on.
This Add-on gives you 300 minutes, 3,000 texts and all-you-can-eat data to use within 30 days.

[ash45]

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Originally Posted by omnidirectional

EE also use Virgin Media Backhaul but have no unlimited data tariffs. Good backhaul doesn't mean a network will offer unlimited data.

Ive been telling him that for ages he never listens he thinks the backhaul improvements are purely about the amount of data people use, Then again considering he thinks just because he lives in hull and thinks KC are crap its fine to download massive amounts tethering both a one plan sim and a PAYG sim (with the all in one 15 addon) in a mifi, Never really has cared about the other users this may be affecting, So to him the backhaul improvements are indeed about wanting to push even more data because the backs there to support it :/

[jabbamk1]

For the record. There are no plans that I'm aware of for Three to scrap "All You Can Eat Data"

[jonmorris]

I don't see it being good for Three to ditch AYCE data anywhere, as it should be able to use TrafficSense to manage things effectively.

There's no need to simply stop data being consumed, just manage it when a lot of users are consuming it. Just as any other broadband provider would/does do.

AYCE data is a selling point. It's about not having to worry about bill shock, and I bet the vast majority of people who get it aren't heavy users and might even consume amounts well within that of similarly priced tariffs elsewhere. They just don't want to have to worry about going over their allowance and being stung (and when you can be charged 10p a MB, that's going to hurt).

EE at least imposes a hard cap to stop that happening, but not all do. Indeed, even Three doesn't on the tariffs that are limited (unless you call and ask for a cap).

Ultimately, few people can tell how much data they're using or going to use, especially consistently from day to day, month to month. Go away for a weekend break and you might now use mobile data a lot more, perhaps streaming iPlayer or Netflix, thus surging your data usage - and how big is a 90 minute film anyway? Does the consumer know? Of course not, especially if there's adaptive streaming and they have a device with a nice HD screen and a good connection.

[Thine Wonk]

Three makes so little revenue from PAYG customers according to their half yearly financial reports that I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't increase the price or change the plan that's what I was getting at.

That tariff just sounds too cheap for unlimited data to me now, when contract is more, even a lesser service like giffgaff on PAYG is going up to £20 for 'unlimited' from March and that is limited to not much over 10GB before they ban you from buying another unlimited goodybag and doesn't include 4G.