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could missy be Claras mum & saying I have chosen well refers to the doctor not clara
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garbage456
21-10-2014
any ideas?
saladfingers81
21-10-2014
No. She couldn't possibly be Claras mum and the line was clearly directed at Clara.
garbage456
21-10-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“No. She couldn't possibly be Claras mum and the line was clearly directed at Clara.”

its just that the way she says it, clara, my clara, i have chosen well
saladfingers81
21-10-2014
Maybe Clara never had a mum.
Michael_Eve
21-10-2014
Well, it's a theory. And it is yours.

(sorry, just channeling Anne Elk there. Cleese never looked more beautiful)
brotonsbaby
21-10-2014
Interesting idea...I said something similar (in jest partly) on 7th September

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...8&postcount=32
Jules_Thornley
21-10-2014
Possible interpretation but I suspect not. I do feel it was Missy referring to Clara as a choice she made. Clara was the choice. Why? And what for? No idea. But suspect the doctor knows something's up. Someone else pointed out that the reason why episodes have been 'Clara-centric' is exactly because the Doctor is testing her.. He knows something is odd (again) with Clara?
What's clear is that this series has a few odd things going on that haven't quite pieced together yet. Even the way the doctor has been responding to Clara is odd in that he seems to be constantly challenging her..
FATCHOPS
21-10-2014
Originally Posted by garbage456:
“any ideas?”

Cool theory. I'd like that.
me myb
21-10-2014
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“Possible interpretation but I suspect not. I do feel it was Missy referring to Clara as a choice she made. Clara was the choice. Why? And what for? No idea. But suspect the doctor knows something's up. Someone else pointed out that the reason why episodes have been 'Clara-centric' is exactly because the Doctor is testing her.. He knows something is odd (again) with Clara?
What's clear is that this series has a few odd things going on that haven't quite pieced together yet. Even the way the doctor has been responding to Clara is odd in that he seems to be constantly challenging her..”

You could be right. Maybe Missy is planning some way for Clara to try to take over the Doctor's role somehow? Or can use Clara somehow so Missy can be in control?
I know, a bit far fetched, but Clara has been totally enjoying trying to play the Doctor and make decisions, and maybe Missy can use that "want"-so to speak- against the Doctor somehow. Should be interesting to find out exactly what is going on and where Clara and Danny fit into the scheme of things. What is the scheme?? ha ha

But I suspect that the Doctor knows something is up.

Anyway, I did get the impression that Clara was chosen by Missy, but -as you say- whatever for?
Dave-H
21-10-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“Maybe Clara never had a mum.”

Didn't we see Clara's now deceased mother in one of those red button teasers, the one with the Doctor talking to her on a playground swing when she was a young girl?
Corwin
22-10-2014
Originally Posted by Dave-H:
“Didn't we see Clara's now deceased mother in one of those red button teasers, the one with the Doctor talking to her on a playground swing when she was a young girl?
”

She was in the Rings of Akhaten as well.
Dave-H
22-10-2014
Indeed she was, in the flashback scenes at the start.
My memory obviously failed to recall that particular not-so-fondly-remembered episode!
doormouse1
22-10-2014
Why would Clara's mum refer to the Doctor as 'my boyfriend' then?
Surely it's VERY weird for any mum to want their daughter involved with someone she regards as a boyfriend ?

I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Missy has engineered Clara's involvement in all this - Clara is being manipulated.
James Frederick
22-10-2014
I think it's possible we could see a twist and Missy turns out to be one of the good guys and got Clara with The Doctor for good reasons
Sara_Peplow
22-10-2014
Claras mum was called Ellie. She died when Clara was a teenager . Flashback in ROA showed the funeral. As for Missy she probably picked Clara and gave her the number of the tardis for as yet unkown reasons.I don't know why 12 is starting to distrust Clara now. Wouldn't he remmber all they went through as 11. Thought the whole "impossible girl" thing proved she was a "normal" girl/woman who did something special because of the doctor. She jumped into the timeline to save his sorry ***. Just like when 11 didn't trust River and kept asking who she was. He allready knew the answer!. River was the woman who loved him so much she died to save 10 and their future relationship/marriage. Hope Clara story is given a good ending if that is at christmas or in S9 next year.
MinkytheDog
22-10-2014
Originally Posted by garbage456:
“any ideas?”

If you means could she POSSIBLY be Mrs Oswald - absolutely,

If you mean does anything about her suggest that she IS - nothing I can see other than her appearing to be a female and claiming to be in "heaven" - but that appear to also apply to the mothers of the two lots of kids she nannied (one lot as herself and another as one of her "clones")

Regardless, I think you're dead right to suggest that the line cold refer to a choice made FOR Clara rather than Clara herself being selected - but keep in mind that the same line wit that interpretation could refer to Clara's relationship with dismal Dan.

Whatever the "facts" of Moffat's story, congrats on a good bit of lateral thinking
MinkytheDog
22-10-2014
Sorry - thought of something after posting the above.

Dismal clearly has some white ancestry and he was in a children's home as a kid so his parentage has never been established.
garbage456
22-10-2014
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I think it's possible we could see a twist and Missy turns out to be one of the good guys and got Clara with The Doctor for good reasons”

Oh no not another happy ending.
garbage456
22-10-2014
Originally Posted by MinkytheDog:
“If you means could she POSSIBLY be Mrs Oswald - absolutely,

If you mean does anything about her suggest that she IS - nothing I can see other than her appearing to be a female and claiming to be in "heaven" - but that appear to also apply to the mothers of the two lots of kids she nannied (one lot as herself and another as one of her "clones")

Regardless, I think you're dead right to suggest that the line cold refer to a choice made FOR Clara rather than Clara herself being selected - but keep in mind that the same line wit that interpretation could refer to Clara's relationship with dismal Dan.

Whatever the "facts" of Moffat's story, congrats on a good bit of lateral thinking ”

Lol dismal Dan I like it. Yes it could mean that Danny is her choice and he is set to make Clara choose between him and the doctor but with fatal consequences for the other ?
MinkytheDog
22-10-2014
Originally Posted by garbage456:
“Lol dismal Dan I like it. Yes it could mean that Danny is her choice and he is set to make Clara choose between him and the doctor but with fatal consequences for the other ?”

It'd have to be pure guesswork on any reason but a few possible scenarios spring to mind - including dismal being sent by Missy.

I've been saying elsewhere that it was interesting to have the effects of grief regarded as an "ailment" by the Foretold - makes me wonder if maybe someone is being set-up to feel grief as a way to make them vulnerable to that "mummy" tech. It could be that someone is engineering a "broken heart" for one of the main cast members.

It is very difficult - there's really no clues in anything we've seen so it's all guesswork - and that "chose" line is a beaut.
Firegazer
22-10-2014
Originally Posted by saladfingers81:
“No. She couldn't possibly be Claras mum and the line was clearly directed at Clara.”

This. There's way too much overthinking on this thread.

The Doctor: "I'm going to eat a banana"
DS: "What does he mean by banana?"
James Frederick
22-10-2014
Originally Posted by Firegazer:
“This. There's way too much overthinking on this thread.

The Doctor: "I'm going to eat a banana"
DS: "What does he mean by banana?"
”

Are you trying to say The Doctor is Bananaman or they are hinting towards the fact Eric/Bananaman is a alien and The Doctor knows of his home planet
MinkytheDog
22-10-2014
Originally Posted by Firegazer:
“This. There's way too much overthinking on this thread.

The Doctor: "I'm going to eat a banana"
DS: "What does he mean by banana?"
”

Hate to say it but the Doctor eating a banana COULD be important - if we already knew that he doesn't eat them and there was a "fleshie" Doctor running around.
Firegazer
22-10-2014
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Are you trying to say The Doctor is Bananaman or they are hinting towards the fact Eric/Bananaman is a alien and The Doctor knows of his home planet”

Bananaman is Missy. Missy is Clara. Clara is Bananaman.
LightMeUp
22-10-2014
Originally Posted by Firegazer:
“This. There's way too much overthinking on this thread.

The Doctor: "I'm going to eat a banana"
DS: "What does he mean by banana?"
”

This. This a thousand times.
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