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Old 24-10-2014, 19:47
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Sorry if the thread title is confusing/doesn't make sense.

Alfie Moon has received a lot of flack on here. He is really unpopular in social media now. Just look at twitter and facebook. Alfie/Shane Richie gets lots of negative comments in the Daily Mail articles as well.

In 2012, Kat was hated by many viewers because she cheated on Alfie many times but thankfully she was saved by Lorraine Newman in 2013.

In 2013, Sharon who used to be one of the most popular characters has become really unpopular since she came back and there were many "GET RID OF SHARON" threads/comments everywhere.

This year, it seems to be Alfie's turn.

Would you agree that he's the next person to be the "hate figure" like Sharon/Kat/Cora?

I do wonder who will be hated by many viewers in 2015?
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Old 24-10-2014, 19:54
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Well, first I think we can disregard anything said in Daily Mail comment sections.

I think it's different with Alfie though, because one, he hasn't become a different character, he's just had his worst traits magnified by the situation he's made for himself, and two, I think we're actually meant to find him unlikeable at the minute, which certainly wasn't the case with Sharon. I also think this is leading somewhere, a full breakdown perhaps, whereas with Kat it felt like they were having her cheat because they'd didn't know what else to do with her and they definitely had no idea what to do with Sharon.
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Old 27-10-2014, 09:36
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I would be inclined to agree. While he would still have burned down the house, they could have made it easier to sympathise with him just by tweaking the dialogue. At the moment, he seems to want everything handed to him without explaining why he needs it. I'm sure Masood would have been more willing to have Alfie stay longer if he admitted that the insurance wouldn't pay out because of Mo's hairspray. He could have apologised for the way he spoke to him later once he'd had a chance to cool off, but he didn't. Likewise, I'm sure it'd have come across better that he was trying to barge the queue in the council office if he explained to the man that his partner was coming out of hospital that day, and that he needed to get back not for himself but for her. Then of course, the refusing of the help he was offered; he should have explained that he couldn't afford for a taxi there and back twice in two days. Before squatting, it may have come across better if he spoke to Mick or even his lock picking mate about being terrified of having the kids taken into care if he didn't do something quickly, again for Kat's sake, because it being for his own sake doesn't attract a lot of sympathy when he burned down the house. Instead he was acting with Dave like everything was hunky-dory.

If it was me, Kat's injuries would have been enough, knowing how looks orientated she is, without having to drag it down the sensationalist route and have Alfie to blame for them. Alfie is probably the only person who could have started that fire and not necessarily have to leave the Square, however. Still, I think I'd have made it accidental, but for DTC, I guess it gave Alfie his own storyline, something that he's never really had. It's also given Stacey something reasonably significant to do without throwing her straight into a major storyline of her own.
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Old 27-10-2014, 09:51
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I've never liked Alfie or Sharon and I like Cora. I think that maybe Alfie / Shane Richie is getting a lot of flack recently because he is in the spotlight currently due to the fire. I've never enjoyed Shane Richie's acting or Letitia Dean's performances.

Edit : I just had a flick through Facebook and the Daily Mail articles about Alfie Moon and there are nowhere near as many calls for him to be axed as there are for Sharon / Letitia Dean to go. I don't think he is as hated by viewers (on social media).

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Old 27-10-2014, 10:07
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Not really. Alfie has never been popular on DS as far as I'm aware so now its a chance for those people to twist the knife in further!!

I guess we don't know what everyone out there in the real world thinks although many normal people I know (cos we are special on DS!) don't like Alfie or Shane Ritchie so baffled thats hes 'popular'.

SOme characters are marmite on DS but Alfie has always been in the most hated category!
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Old 27-10-2014, 10:15
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Shane Richie is quite unpopular in real life. I know the Daily Mail is rubbish but there are always lots of harsh comments about Shane/Alfie. Alfie isn't that popular.

Cora is annoying and I wish they would get rid of her.
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Old 27-10-2014, 10:29
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Shane Richie is quite unpopular in real life. I know the Daily Mail is rubbish but there are always lots of harsh comments about Shane/Alfie. Alfie isn't that popular.

Cora is annoying and I wish they would get rid of her.
I've read Shane Richie is a diva and unpopular in celebrity circuits. Of course this could be media hype. Apparently he said he would leave EE if he was taken out of The Vic. Looks like he decided to keep his substantial wage packet!
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Old 27-10-2014, 10:57
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I've read Shane Richie is a diva and unpopular in celebrity circuits. Of course this could be media hype. Apparently he said he would leave EE if he was taken out of The Vic. Looks like he decided to keep his substantial wage packet!
as well as become a host on BBC's new awful game shows.

I mean other game shows like Perfection and Pointless continue because they have decent presenters. That last one Richie did whatever it was called was pulled from the schedules after a few weeks! - it was worse than the don't scare the rabbitt game show!
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Old 27-10-2014, 11:10
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The Alfie hate threads are so tedious, I wouldn't mind if it was a character like Dexter or Fatboy, who nobody really gives a shit about, but Alfie is a really well known character, even people who don't watch the show would know or probably heard of Alfie Moon, and Shane Richie is a great actor, who plays the part really well! If he was such a shit actor, he wouldn't be nominated almost every year at awards! Alfie's only going through a rough patch ATM, and it makes a change seeing a darker side to the character, everyone's moaning he's always happy and cheery, so they just can't win! I'm sure we'll get to see some sort of hapiness for Kat and Alfie soon!
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Old 27-10-2014, 11:41
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The Alfie hate threads are so tedious, I wouldn't mind if it was a character like Dexter or Fatboy, who nobody really gives a shit about, but Alfie is a really well known character, even people who don't watch the show would know or probably heard of Alfie Moon, and Shane Richie is a great actor, who plays the part really well! If he was such a shit actor, he wouldn't be nominated almost every year at awards! Alfie's only going through a rough patch ATM, and it makes a change seeing a darker side to the character, everyone's moaning he's always happy and cheery, so they just can't win! I'm sure we'll get to see some sort of hapiness for Kat and Alfie soon!
Agreed. I don't get why some people on here criticize him so much when they don't even know him. He's won and been nominated for many awards and Alfie is a hugely popular character apart from on DS for some reason.
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Old 27-10-2014, 11:49
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even people who don't watch the show would know or probably heard of Alfie Moon
Alfie would expect nothing less.

One just needs to check out his buckle
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Old 27-10-2014, 13:08
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The Alfie hate threads are so tedious, I wouldn't mind if it was a character like Dexter or Fatboy, who nobody really gives a shit about, but Alfie is a really well known character, even people who don't watch the show would know or probably heard of Alfie Moon, and Shane Richie is a great actor, who plays the part really well! If he was such a shit actor, he wouldn't be nominated almost every year at awards! Alfie's only going through a rough patch ATM, and it makes a change seeing a darker side to the character, everyone's moaning he's always happy and cheery, so they just can't win! I'm sure we'll get to see some sort of hapiness for Kat and Alfie soon!
I like Dexter and enjoy his scenes with Nancy. He's like a lot of young men in London. Fatboy is terrible, he's like a joke character and is embarrassing.
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Old 27-10-2014, 18:25
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I'd say that Alfie is very unpopular on here and I feel that TPTB have pulled out all the stops to make him a hate figure, I would have preferred it if the fire had been down to someone like Aleks in revenge for Alfie's meddling in his relationship with Roxy and his other indiscretions rather than it be Alfie who did it.
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Old 27-10-2014, 18:35
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Shane Richie is quite unpopular in real life. I know the Daily Mail is rubbish but there are always lots of harsh comments about Shane/Alfie. Alfie isn't that popular.

Cora is annoying and I wish they would get rid of her.
The difference is that Shane is not very pleasant in real life while Ann Mitchell is meant to be a lovely lady and very different to Cora.
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Old 27-10-2014, 18:36
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I like Dexter and enjoy his scenes with Nancy. He's like a lot of young men in London. Fatboy is terrible, he's like a joke character and is embarrassing.
Dexter is awful - the worst character in the show by far played by somebody who cannot act.
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Old 27-10-2014, 18:40
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Sorry if the thread title is confusing/doesn't make sense.

Alfie Moon has received a lot of flack on here. He is really unpopular in social media now. Just look at twitter and facebook. Alfie/Shane Richie gets lots of negative comments in the Daily Mail articles as well.

In 2012, Kat was hated by many viewers because she cheated on Alfie many times but thankfully she was saved by Lorraine Newman in 2013.

In 2013, Sharon who used to be one of the most popular characters has become really unpopular since she came back and there were many "GET RID OF SHARON" threads/comments everywhere.

This year, it seems to be Alfie's turn.

Would you agree that he's the next person to be the "hate figure" like Sharon/Kat/Cora?

I do wonder who will be hated by many viewers in 2015?
Alfie is up there now but not at Dexter level yet. I think a lot of it is aimed at Shane Richie. I just have the feeling that Richie is not a very nice person in real life which makes it difficult to like Alfie.

Kat, Sharon & Cora are all much better characters than Alfie.
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Old 27-10-2014, 19:03
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Alfie is up there now but not at Dexter level yet. I think a lot of it is aimed at Shane Richie. I just have the feeling that Richie is not a very nice person in real life which makes it difficult to like Alfie.

Kat, Sharon & Cora are all much better characters than Alfie.
I think this is the case for a lot of people. Ii know the argument that it is not our place to judge, the only people that should be concerned with shane's personal life are him and his family and it is impossible for people that haven't met him to know the full story, but a lot of people do read and believe tabloid stories and just aren't keen of a serial adulterer. Plus he does come across as rather arrogant to many in onterviews. I again accept that maybe his tongue is in his cheek and he shouldn't be taken seriously but it is impossible to know for sure. Since Alfie is perceived to be an ecageratted version of Shand himself, if a viewer doesn't like Shane, they are unlikely to like Alfie. QED. It is the negative side of a character being olayed by qyiute a high profile, already known ;personality'. The positive is that he does alre*dy have a ready made fan base of viewers that do like him.

Also, just as in real life, some people just won't care for that rather 'in your face', 'cheeky chappie' personality' even without the less pleasant details of his private life being disected in the Press. Sometimes you meet somebody in life that just isn't your 'type' of person and that can happen with people you see on screen as well.

The other thing is given th*t Alfie does seem so close to Shane in personality, many don't think he is that a great an actor and has basically got lucky by having chemistry with Jessie and riding o her coat tails to gain critical acclaim.

I'm not saying Those are my view points but I can see why somebody would hold them and just putting it forward as an explanation to those posters that can't understand why people donk( like him.
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Old 27-10-2014, 19:06
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I'd say that Alfie is very unpopular on here and I feel that TPTB have pulled out all the stops to make him a hate figure, I would have preferred it if the fire had been down to someone like Aleks in revenge for Alfie's meddling in his relationship with Roxy and his other indiscretions rather than it be Alfie who did it.
I don't think they've pulled out all the stops to make him a hate figure. They've actually given Shane a meaty storyline to show him in a different light, to demonstrate his a9ting range. The circumstances of his downfall are such that many of his actions can be chalked to some kind of mental breakdown so in time he can be forgiven and remain in the show. If it had been a deliberate *ct of arson for somebody like Aleks, that would have been the end of them in the show.

Compared to turning Dean into a rapist, i'd say alfie has got off fairly easy.
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Old 27-10-2014, 19:10
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Just to add, I can see the argument that it is not fair to judge the character on the actor's perceived faults and other people aren't judged in this way - most of the other actors aren'( previously know 'personalities' or aren't very well known in terms of doing interviews. Or if they do do a lot of interviews they come across as very different to the character they play (Steve McFadden for instance) so it is much easier to separate the two in the mind.
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Old 27-10-2014, 19:14
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Just to add, I can see the argument that it is not fair to judge the character on the actor's perceived faults and other people aren't judged in this way - most of the other actors aren'( previously know 'personalities' or aren't very well known in terms of doing interviews. Or if they do do a lot of interviews they come across as very different to the character they play (Steve McFadden for instance) so it is much easier to separate the two in the mind.
I must admit I read an article about Steve M and his womanising and it did put me off him....not that I like his character anyway.
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Old 27-10-2014, 19:18
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I must admit I read an article about Steve M and his womanising and it did put me off him....not that I like his character anyway.
Yes, maybe McFadden wasn't the best example due to the multiple partners and dogging allegations but I was more meaning his manner in interviews - he comes across as quiet, softly spoken, well mannered and quite intelligent. Really rather different to Phil.
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Old 27-10-2014, 23:50
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I don't think they've pulled out all the stops to make him a hate figure. They've actually given Shane a meaty storyline to show him in a different light, to demonstrate his a9ting range. The circumstances of his downfall are such that many of his actions can be chalked to some kind of mental breakdown so in time he can be forgiven and remain in the show. If it had been a deliberate *ct of arson for somebody like Aleks, that would have been the end of them in the show.

Compared to turning Dean into a rapist, i'd say alfie has got off fairly easy.
It is a meaty storyline that gives Shane something to do other than cheeky chappy but I still feel that it has put people off Alfie and although I agree about the mental health breakdown I still wish he wasn't being shown in a bad light. I think Shane is great at the meaty stuff but I suppose I miss the happy Alfie!
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Old 28-10-2014, 00:02
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I've never liked Alfie or Shane Richie. It has always seemed like Richie plays an exaggerated version of his media persona. I won't claim he plays his real self since I don't know him personally and have only ever seen him in "TV Persona" mode.

From the day he set foot on the square I've disliked Alfie and that has only grown over the years. With that said, I can see he's being written as a complete tw*t these days and that's not how he was always intentionally written even if he still came across that way to me. Richie is a passable actor and is better at this sort of thing than he is at comedy. Whoever told him he's funny needs to be taken out and slapped.

In comparison, I liked Kat in her first stint but I've gone from hating her to not really giving a crap about her due to her various personality changes and repetitive storylines this time around. I think both should have been left in the past with their happy ending from 2005.

I still like Sharon but it was hard going last year when she was given a personality transplant into a total cow. She's still not as great as she used to be but the damage to her character hasn't been as severe as it was to Kat. Possibly because Kat has been forced down our throats for the last 4 years while Sharon was little more than a glorified extra for most of this stint until recently and is now a lot less offensive than she was last year.
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Old 28-10-2014, 00:02
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I think this is the case for a lot of people. Ii know the argument that it is not our place to judge, the only people that should be concerned with shane's personal life are him and his family and it is impossible for people that haven't met him to know the full story, but a lot of people do read and believe tabloid stories and just aren't keen of a serial adulterer. Plus he does come across as rather arrogant to many in onterviews. I again accept that maybe his tongue is in his cheek and he shouldn't be taken seriously but it is impossible to know for sure. Since Alfie is perceived to be an ecageratted version of Shand himself, if a viewer doesn't like Shane, they are unlikely to like Alfie. QED. It is the negative side of a character being olayed by qyiute a high profile, already known ;personality'. The positive is that he does alre*dy have a ready made fan base of viewers that do like him.

Also, just as in real life, some people just won't care for that rather 'in your face', 'cheeky chappie' personality' even without the less pleasant details of his private life being disected in the Press. Sometimes you meet somebody in life that just isn't your 'type' of person and that can happen with people you see on screen as well.

The other thing is given th*t Alfie does seem so close to Shane in personality, many don't think he is that a great an actor and has basically got lucky by having chemistry with Jessie and riding o her coat tails to gain critical acclaim.

I'm not saying Those are my view points but I can see why somebody would hold them and just putting it forward as an explanation to those posters that can't understand why people donk( like him.
This!

I can see what you mean, if people don't like a person then they might be biased against their character especially if they're as near in personality as Shane/Alfie. In my case i've always been a fan of Shane Richie (even though I don't agree with the fact he's cheated on both of his wives and you can never tell in interviews whether he's being serious or not when he comes across as arrogant) because he makes me laugh and I suppose I've always found him attractive so I suppose I instantly warmed to Alfie so I guess i'm biased towards him!
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Old 28-10-2014, 06:11
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I've never liked Alfie or Shane Richie. It has always seemed like Richie plays an exaggerated version of his media persona. I won't claim he plays his real self since I don't know him personally and have only ever seen him in "TV Persona" mode.

From the day he set foot on the square I've disliked Alfie and that has only grown over the years. With that said, I can see he's being written as a complete tw*t these days and that's not how he was always intentionally written even if he still came across that way to me. Richie is a passable actor and is better at this sort of thing than he is at comedy. Whoever told him he's funny needs to be taken out and slapped.

In comparison, I liked Kat in her first stint but I've gone from hating her to not really giving a crap about her due to her various personality changes and repetitive storylines this time around. I think both should have been left in the past with their happy ending from 2005.

I still like Sharon but it was hard going last year when she was given a personality transplant into a total cow. She's still not as great as she used to be but the damage to her character hasn't been as severe as it was to Kat. Possibly because Kat has been forced down our throats for the last 4 years while Sharon was little more than a glorified extra for most of this stint until recently and is now a lot less offensive than she was last year.
What do you think of Cora? Do you hate her?
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