Presumably they took ID when they originally went to the registry office hoping to marry, but instead registered intent to marry.

I certainly didn't show any ID on the day I actually got married.

what ID did you show when you registered. would kat n alfie have been carrying it about when they went to register the twins?

Alfie just flashed his belt buckle and they were waved through.

When asked to provide ID he just shouted at the registrar "you go to Albert Square and ask anybody, they'll tell ya! I'm ALFIE MOOOON!"

They wanted to have a quick wedding whilst they registered the twins so I assume they would have taken the appropriate ID, only to be told they had to wait X days for the license. But then the fire happened.

Should have done that at the airport last year.

they only decided when they were at the registry office tho didnt they?

just looked up what you need to provide as ID

two of the following


Passport
driving licence
birth certificate
national identity card
immigration status document

plus to prove address one of the following from the last 3 months

gas, water or electric bill
bank statement
council tax bill


would kat and alfie both have been carrying sufficient documents to suffice the ID part.

I know when I am out and about I wouldnt. driving licence yes but non of the rest unless I had specifically taken them

Yes they have. Alfie wanted them to get married after the twins were born, they went to the registry Office and were told they couldn't for a month. I assume they had the meeting then to get the ball rolling for the marriage license to be issued and they'd have produced their ID then. If the registry Office had a copy of it (which they would) and a cancellation for the service then they could marry without ID on the actual day and no notice.

Given they were also going there to register the birth of the twins they probably would have taken the appropriate paper work along with then. Plus I thought that Alfie suggested trying to get married before they left the house but could be wrong. I might still have the episode knocking around somewhere to check.

Yes, same with me.

And for reference, ny husband and I both took our birth certificates, passports, council tax and electricity bills. That was all we needed.

In actual fact you have to make an appointment to go through the paper work to request a marriage license, same for death certificate (had to do it quite recently) and I imagine a birth certificate and they tell you what you'll need to bring when you ring to arrange a time. So they'd have known what they needed in advance.

But then EE are never very accurate about this stuff - case in point Alfie putting Michael's name down on Tommy's birth certificate. No man van be named on a birth certificate unless he is there, has sent some form of notarised written consent or is the mother's husband. Of course alfie was the mother's husband but it wasn't his name he put down - unless he just pretended he was Michael which is I suppose possible but you'd think they'd want see the marriage certificate as proof.

I think Alfie's belt buckle is cool, it's about the only left about him that I really like and I still feel sorry for him. I must be bloody barmy!

This. Also, if the mother is married, I thought her husband's name went down as the father by law. Michael would have to have disproved that with a legally recognised DNA test (someone from the company is present when the samples are taken to ensure that no one is putting someone else's sample in as theirs, etc) to be listed as the father.

that's a stupid rule, why is a dna test only required if it's not the mother's husband? it should be required all of the time or not at all, besides wasn't Tony King put on Morgan's certificate when he obviously wasn't the father?

I thought a letter of consent from the real father in the event of it not being the mother's husband and them not attending was all it took. Never heard of DNA tests having to be witnessed before either, do they really have the resources for that?

I know Alfie registering Tommy in Michael's name was impossible.

Re the wedding where did Kat and Alfie get the money from? even with no cake/flowers/reception etc the hiring of the venue/registrar would have cost them.

I assumed they were either somewhere in the hospital or at the Registry Office which wouldn't cost as much as other venues but yes it would still cost something.
Also there is a fee for the registrar - can't remember what now. Couple of hundred quid I think.

No awkward questions please. We are supposed to be thrilled for the couple.

This idea he has no ID because it all went up in smoke, wouldn't he have had his wallet on him when he set the fire? Most men I know carry at least a credit card in their wallet and when I went to renew my passport my credit card was accepted as one item of proof of identity.

Yes. He had his jacket on so is bound to have had his wallet in an inside pocket or his trouser pocket so bank cards and his driving licence should have survived. I meaan in my purse (which I always have with me when out) I have my driving license, current account, savings account, credit card, library card, rail season ticket card,, oyster card, NI card and several store loyalty cards. All of them have my signature on, 3 a photo. Some wouldn't be deemed 'official' enough (rail and library cards for example) but they'd be a start and better than a belt buckle!

Marriage and birth certificates would have gone in the fire but they are easy enough to get copies of - they only cost a tenner for a copy. Bank cards would be reissued free of charge. Not sure about passport or drivers license (if he had lost it) there would probably be a charge for that knowing what the DVLA is like but doubt it would be more than 20 quid. That is the charge for the 10 year renewal I believe.

I know that people will argue that he doesn'( even have the 50 quid it would take to get those copies (boys birth certificates and his driving license) but he seems to have cash on him for dodgy locksmiths and taxis.

It's just another example of Alfie not thinking things through and assuming that rules don't apply to him.

That council lady could have asked for Alfie's NI number - they'd have been able to search a lot of details from that and it is something somebody pretending to be you is unlikely to know. I know mine off by heart having had to write it down so many times over the years but as I doubt Alfie has often, if ever needed to register it to an employer for deductions he probably doesn't know his.

Exactly like what he said when he was with the woman from the council - he said the exact thing - "THEY'LL TELL YA, I'M ALFIE MOON!!!" Lmao - laughed at that as an answer to having to provide ID lol. Ridiculous - in saying that as an answer to the ID question - he probably gave exactly the same response to the wedding registrar who would also similarly require identification, no doubt

I don't know what you're all moaning about. I'm asked for ID I just respond - I'm KitKat1971 - ask anyone on DS, they'll tell you, Look i've got 'Hello Kitty' on my keyring. Now give me a huge house so I can put a key on my ketring!!!!

If his wallet has survived surely he could have provided the council woman with some ID instead of flashing her his belt buckle.

You'd think so but this is Alfie. He seems to take offence at the most innocuous of questions. I mean why wouldn't he let them call Masood to verify his claim and vouch for him? Actually I know the answer to that one, they'd just argued. Okay, why didn't he give the simplest explanation for leaving the vic - the owner chose to sell, the people that bought it wanted to run it themselves so no longer needed a manager and the accommodation came with the job so he that's how they lost their prior home. Mick would have confirmed that if asked.

But it is in Alfie's nature to be difficult about any authority figures because he believes rules are there to be broken.

And to be fair, he's stressed so won't be thinking straight.

LOL

Its fortuitous for the residents of Albert Square that there are so many wedding cancellations in Walford that allow them to get married on a whim!

Bianca wasn't married at the time of Morgan's birth, so there was no presumption that the father was a particular person. I'd imagine they didn't take Morgan with them to register the birth, since the registrar would only have had to look at him to realise that Bianca and Tony were comitting fraud (putting a man's name down as the father when you know he can't be.)

It's what I heard, but the biological father would only have to go down the DNA route if it bothered him that he wasn't on the certificate. Had Alfie been on Tommy's, it wouldn't have been an issue, as Michael never gave a toss about Tommy except as a consolation prize when Janine took off with Scarlett, or when the rest of the family turned against him.

I can see the logic in a husband being listed until proved otherwise - what's to stop a woman estranged (but not divorced) from her husband taking her new partner along and saying he's the father when he isn't, cutting the real father off and denying him any rights in the process? DNA tests need the permission of the mother or a court I believe, so far easier for the mother's new partner to obtain one in this situation than an estranged husband.