was there any need for the doctor to be there he didnt do anything.

Why did moffat let that episode through.

But you're forgetting that he asked a little girl to record a message that most would've assumed it to be a prank call anyway.

At least now fans can no longer point to Kinda as being the greatest ever example of the Doctor being ineffectual.

He did things.

He was the one who noticed and interacted with the firefly things which eventually allowed him to understand what was really going on. It was the Doctor who understood what was happening with the child through her drawings,

It was him who explained things and got the human race to stop attacking the trees. If we had done that we could have been toast.

they only had what seemed like a few minutes to not chop the trees down, hardly enough time considering the whole planet was covered.

So what?

He still did things.

From the "Lassie" school of scriptwriting...

That's the worrying part.
Only reason I can think the name of the writer did moffat feel it would be insulting saying this wouldn't be good enough? He stated the arm waving was over yet look what was back in force its like the writer saw MS and assumed that was needed as part of "the doctor". MS would have carried this episode but given the direction they took PC as the doctor it just highlighted another reason this episode felt so wrong.

They crammed the screen with very bad child actors and one or two adult actors trouble was this was set in one of the busiest cities in the world and they didn't see that as a problem either.

He's allowed the moon to become an Egg and a script that clearly needed work
I don't think its unfair in asking the Question maybe moffat needs to be honest with himself this series should have been setting the path for Peter and his interpretation of the doctor but instead its got people wondering what's going on with the show as a whole.

He was more effective in that than he was in Planet of the Ood.

Part of the point of the episode was for the Doctor to be powerless, even the sonic wouldn't work. "I can fight monsters, I can't fight physics" said he.

I agree he thought that's the way things were supposed to be so left it if a planet is coming to a natural end he will just let it go rather than try to save it.

There's a story about the first combined record player / cassette deck / CD units.

The design team were demonstrating it to the CEO. They played a cassette - it was pretty bad, the speed was erratic and the volume kept dropping. Then they played the CD, which was pretty disappointing, it sounded really tinny. Then they played a vinyl record. Wonderful, rich sound, full of subtleties and crystal clear.

"The record sounds much better than the CD," said the CEO. "That won't do. CDs are the future, we want to sell them as a major advance in music reproduction.

Make th CD player worse!.

More importantly, was there any need for the episode to exist, as it didn't seem to do anything. You had the first minute or so, setting up what seemed to be an intriguing premise (which most had already seen from trailers) then for the rest of the episode, all the characters seemed to talk about nothing in particular as though they had been briefed to kill time until the end of the episode, at which point we were supposed to believe the whole thing was a natural occurrence which apparently everyone will magically forget and which also apparently has happened many times before and yet the doctor, being intricately familiar with earths history had no idea what was going on.

why indeed did Moffat let that episode through?

No change there then. This series , and Moff, is no different to every other series/showrunner/producer since it started...

Really, that means nothing! Just the opinion of some. And not shared by everybody, so no worries there then.

It was a poor story.

Really? He did a lot in Kinda.

Yep if he was't there then we would have burned the trees and turned the planet into toast what do you want him to do.

Actually, the Doctor's not always been the hero in the series for a long time. Matt Smith's Doctor was just the same as Capasldi's except he made more speeches

but they couldnt burn the trees.

Only because the plants took all the oxygen thus disrupting the triangle needed for fire. Plan two was chemical defoliation. Chemicals can burn and don't necessarily need oxygen to do so.

For some reason it made me think of the Vietnam war. US used napalm and agent orange to burn trees and other things too. Nasty stuff.

Because maybe he liked it? As did many other posters on this forum and nearly all of the reviews I've read? As did I? It really is amazing how high and mighty, we know better than Moff, etc some of you guys are. There have been plenty of worse scripts this series most notably Time Heist, which had appalling pacing which left none of the characters with the remotest sympathy, and a silly rushed ending which had no previous hint of. But there you go, some people liked it. Different people have different ideas and on such a strong series as this it's hardly a crisis that an episode is produced which doesn't attract universal love.

It was shockingly bad. Infact, I'd rate it as the worst episode produced since the series returned in 2005. I can't really include classic Who because I've not yet managed to watch it all, although, it's probably not far up the list there either.

Why couldn't the doctor just shoot the tiger with the sonic? That thing managed to blow up a big target in the RoS episode. Instead they had to wait for Danny Plank to show up with his make up mirror or whatever it was. Ridiculous.

Definitely seemed as if it was scripted with another actor in mind, what annoyed me was the lunatic ramblings at and to the child with arms flapping and saying stupid stuff, things like Do you have a name and other stuff that maybe an alien who had only been in contact with earth for all of 10 seconds might say, but the Doctor is as good as a human, so why does he act like he has no idea.

I am now seeing why Capaldi has stated a number of times in interviews that his version of the Doctor is not yet finalised and "he" has some work to do on it, or in otherwords, he hated some of the ways he had to act but had to get on with it, but the second series he plays the Doctor will be hopefully finally removing the last traces of running around , saying stupid stuff and will be more mature and serious.