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Old 26-10-2014, 13:25
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Why does he use black actors as extras? Patrick for example was suppose to feature in a lot of episode with serious storyline with the stroke, and there's no mention of it! When's your the last time we even saw Patrick? I feel like Dexter there has a black token just to say we have black actors the same with Fatboy too!!
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Old 26-10-2014, 13:26
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The Patrick storyline is a disgrace!
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Old 26-10-2014, 13:28
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The Patrick storyline is a disgrace!
I agree!
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Old 26-10-2014, 14:23
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The actor who plays Patrick is older than the majority of the cast, he might be on a contract for less hours much like Anne Mitchell or June Brown. He probably used up a large percentage of his annual episode count on the stroke storyline, following which he took a break.

And Fatboy and Dexter were both suspended which is probably the reasoning behind their lack of storylines atm.
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Old 26-10-2014, 14:26
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Old 26-10-2014, 14:43
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Denise was quite prominent for the first part of this year
Dexter and Fatboy were offscreen for a lot of this year due to the antics of the actors playing them
Patrick was also seen quite a lot at the beginning of the year, his story is not over yet
Tosh has featured quite a lot, the domestic abuse/baby plot is set to continue
Kim was supposed to return but I think the actress has some personal issues

the eastenders cast is the most diverse across all soaps, no need to read into things that aren't there.
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Old 26-10-2014, 14:45
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Oh here we go again... lets all say DTC is a racist shall we? Absolutely rubbish. He doesn't use Black actors as extras... they're used just as much as the 'white actors.' Patrick and Denise are the only black actors who are capable of doing anything great. Patrick had his own storyline (which could of been better) and Denise has been very prominent since she arrived in 2006. Dexter and Fatboy are rubbish actors in my opinion and would not be able to hold a storyline. I don't think the Black or multicultural actors are sidelined at all. Its always an excuse to bash the producer and in this instance the race card is used.
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Old 26-10-2014, 15:44
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Like others have said, Patrick is played by an older actor and after featuring so heavily with the Ian/Rainie storyline and his stroke so I think it's to be expected that he's now having some time off. Seems as though he's going to be featured again when Denise finds Lucy's phone though?
Dexter only hasn't been around due to the fact that Khali Best was suspended for something that was his own fault and he seems to have been given quite a bit of screentime since his return.
Denise has been in it loads this year and looks like she has more coming up with the Lucy storyline and everything... I think Kim is meant to be coming back soon too?
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Old 26-10-2014, 15:53
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Denise was quite prominent for the first part of this year
Dexter and Fatboy were offscreen for a lot of this year due to the antics of the actors playing them
Patrick was also seen quite a lot at the beginning of the year, his story is not over yet
Tosh has featured quite a lot, the domestic abuse/baby plot is set to continue
Kim was supposed to return but I think the actress has some personal issues

the eastenders cast is the most diverse across all soaps, no need to read into things that aren't there.
And there is equally no need to ignore things that are. While I don't think DTC is a racist or anything close to one, I do think that he has perhaps unintentionally ignored a lot of the ethnic characters. Denise was a supporting character at the start of the Lucy storyline, playing second fiddle to Ian Beale and has since disappeared. I feared they wouldn't treat Patrick's storyline respectfully as at the beginning of the storyline he too was playing second fiddle to Ian Beale and has also since disappeared. Tosh is one of those characters that have been setup to be disliked from the word go and there's no point mentioning Kim as she's not in it. The Masood family have also only just reunited after months of neglect.
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Old 26-10-2014, 15:58
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And there is equally no need to ignore things that are. While I don't think DTC is a racist or anything close to one, I do think that he has perhaps unintentionally ignored a lot of the ethnic characters. Denise was a supporting character at the start of the Lucy storyline, playing second fiddle to Ian Beale and has since disappeared. I feared they wouldn't treat Patrick's storyline respectfully as at the beginning of the storyline he too was playing second fiddle to Ian Beale and has also since disappeared. Tosh is one of those characters that have been setup to be disliked from the word go and there's no point mentioning Kim as she's not in it. The Masood family have also only just reunited after months of neglect.
Ian Beale was Lucy's father... so you expect DTC to give more of the Beale storyline material to Denise just because she is Ian's partner and she is black? That is ridiculous. The story was about how the BEALES would cope after Lucy's death. Not how Denise would cope because she was black. Utterly ridiculous.
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Old 26-10-2014, 15:59
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Denise has been in over 80 episodes this year, and has hardly been ignored with her relationship breakdown being intertwined with one of the biggest storylines of the year. Patrick has appeared in 38 which is only two less then June Brown and three less than Ann Mitchell, Rudolph Walker is one of the oldest members of the cast which means he doesn't appear as regularly.

Dexter and Fatboy were both suspended.
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Old 26-10-2014, 16:05
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I really want DS to bring back the rolling eye emotion, I'd use it in SO many threads
Including this one which desperately needs it.
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Old 26-10-2014, 16:05
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Denise has been in over 80 episodes this year, and has hardly been ignored with her relationship breakdown being intertwined with one of the biggest storylines of the year. Patrick has appeared in 38 which is only two less then June Brown and three less than Ann Mitchell, Rudolph Walker is one of the oldest members of the cast which means he doesn't appear as regularly.

Dexter and Fatboy were both suspended.
Laila Morse has only appeared in 26 so I counted on IMDB. It seems as if she only ever appears in a block of five or so episodes a month.
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Old 26-10-2014, 16:25
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Laila Morse has only appeared in 26 so I counted on IMDB. It seems as if she only ever appears in a block of five or so episodes a month.
Mo is only a semi-regular character though. She was officially downgraded by Lorraine Newman.

Patrick's episode count has been decreasing for yrs nothing to do with DTC and everything to do with the age of RW I suspect.
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Old 26-10-2014, 16:25
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Ian Beale was Lucy's father... so you expect DTC to give more of the Beale storyline material to Denise just because she is Ian's partner and she is black? That is ridiculous. The story was about how the BEALES would cope after Lucy's death. Not how Denise would cope because she was black. Utterly ridiculous.
I agree. What YOU have said is more than just utterly ridiculous, its nonsense and not what I said. My point is that to use Denise as an example of a black character that has been "quite prominent for the first part of this year" is absurd as she hasn't had a story of her own since reconnecting with Libby, which was in itself a half-baked storyline.
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Old 26-10-2014, 16:53
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Old 26-10-2014, 17:11
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Including this one which desperately needs it.
OR they could allow gifs, I have a wonderful eye-roll one of Cersei Lannister
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Old 26-10-2014, 17:17
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Must be something wrong with my TV, I have never noticed that Fatboy is black.....the actor is obviously slightly mixed race but thats all...
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Old 26-10-2014, 17:29
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And there is equally no need to ignore things that are. While I don't think DTC is a racist or anything close to one, I do think that he has perhaps unintentionally ignored a lot of the ethnic characters. Denise was a supporting character at the start of the Lucy storyline, playing second fiddle to Ian Beale and has since disappeared. I feared they wouldn't treat Patrick's storyline respectfully as at the beginning of the storyline he too was playing second fiddle to Ian Beale and has also since disappeared. Tosh is one of those characters that have been setup to be disliked from the word go and there's no point mentioning Kim as she's not in it. The Masood family have also only just reunited after months of neglect.
Denise was more than just a supporting player, she had her own storyline strand, one which is actually continuing with her drinking which I am sure will be explored later this year, early next year. There is only so much they can do with Patrick, we have seen him struggling and slowly improving. The storyline is not over yet. Kim is still part of the cast and would be in it if it wasn't for her personal problems which DTC can't do anything about. Whether Tosh was introduced as being unlikeable she has still featured quite heavily.

As for the Masoods, they had a storyline at the beginning of the year and are now being featured more heavily. Ta war has been used a lot more, they have been building his character back up slowly over recent months and he has become more than just Fatboys mate.

Denise has been in over 80 episodes this year, and has hardly been ignored with her relationship breakdown being intertwined with one of the biggest storylines of the year. Patrick has appeared in 38 which is only two less then June Brown and three less than Ann Mitchell, Rudolph Walker is one of the oldest members of the cast which means he doesn't appear as regularly.

Dexter and Fatboy were both suspended.
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Old 26-10-2014, 17:30
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Oh here we go again... lets all say DTC is a racist shall we? Absolutely rubbish. He doesn't use Black actors as extras... they're used just as much as the 'white actors.' Patrick and Denise are the only black actors who are capable of doing anything great. Patrick had his own storyline (which could of been better) and Denise has been very prominent since she arrived in 2006. Dexter and Fatboy are rubbish actors in my opinion and would not be able to hold a storyline. I don't think the Black or multicultural actors are sidelined at all. Its always an excuse to bash the producer and in this instance the race card is used.
I don't think Dom is racist at all but there could be more diversity in the regular cast.
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Old 26-10-2014, 17:39
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agree.

not sure what planet some people are on basically labelling someone as rascist without evidence or hard facts is terrible.
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Old 26-10-2014, 17:48
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Oh here we go again... lets all say DTC is a racist shall we? Absolutely rubbish. He doesn't use Black actors as extras... they're used just as much as the 'white actors.' Patrick and Denise are the only black actors who are capable of doing anything great. Patrick had his own storyline (which could of been better) and Denise has been very prominent since she arrived in 2006. Dexter and Fatboy are rubbish actors in my opinion and would not be able to hold a storyline. I don't think the Black or multicultural actors are sidelined at all. Its always an excuse to bash the producer and in this instance the race card is used.
The OP didn't call anyone racist though but his point remains and you ironically seem to back up his point. If Dexter and Fatboy aren't capable actors then they can only ever be like extras which leaves only Patrick and Denise who are capable according to you but we've barely seen either of them for some time now so I think the OP may have a point.
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Old 26-10-2014, 18:05
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The OP didn't call anyone racist though but his point remains and you ironically seem to back up his point. If Dexter and Fatboy aren't capable actors then they can only ever be like extras which leaves only Patrick and Denise who are capable according to you but we've barely seen either of them for some time now so I think the OP may have a point.
Agreed.
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Old 26-10-2014, 18:29
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THere needs to be at least a couple of very prominent black characters in their 20's-40-s who are major players in EE to make the show feel authentically like modern day London.

The black characters that are in it at the mo are either quite old or quite young & the young 'uns aint got anything to offer.

Dexter is quite unpopular (certainly on DS). I'd be happy to see him go to be replaced by 1 or 2 more central characters slightly older than his character is.

Another idea would be a new black family.
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Old 26-10-2014, 18:31
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THere needs to be at least a couple of very prominent black characters in their 20's-40-s who are major players in EE to make the show feel authentically like modern day London.

The black characters that are in it at the mo are either quite old or quite young & the young 'uns aint got anything to offer.

Dexter is quite unpopular (certainly on DS). I'd be happy to see him go to be replaced by 1 or 2 more central characters slightly older than his character is.

Another idea would be a new black family.
Kelvin & his teenage kids, Ada & Daphne Fox.
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