Judy is quite an atrocious dancer but she's improving, obviously enjoying the experience and hasn't grumbled once about her low scores. I'd like her to last longer than Scott and maybe even Allison.

Tennis-wise her record is a bit woo, beyond Muzza and Jamie. Leading the British girls to some actual Fed Cup success.

It's a bit late for that.

Away from tennis he is anything but 'morose'

So what, he's allowed to be. He is a Scot after all.

Judy Murray is growing on me. She's beginning to let her personality show. I think what some people forget is that many of these celeb dancers are used to performing in front of an audience, Judy isn't.

Here he is sending himself up to support Cancer Relief

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR-LLVZYBMU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhezk23aOkI

The whole family have robust senses of humour and a great deal more perspective than many 'celebrities'.

Thanks, I hadn't seen that before

Ah I really loved that..thanks. I'm also loving Judy's infectious good humour...and her son Jamies' reaction in the audience. They all seem really good natured.

Richard Ayoade for Strictly!

Oh that would be so awesome. So. AWE. SOME.

I was really annoyed prior to SCD when everyone was going on and on about Judy only being there due to her being someone's mum and forgetting that she's the coach of a national team in her own right. Good for her that she's relaxed enough to show some of her personality to the world. She's a fantastic pundit when it comes to tennis, and it's nice that more people are getting to see a different side of her.

And as for those going on about how she was 'crowing' as if she were there on talent - they really ought to think about what they'd say in her position. Why should she be negative about it? Why can she not focus on the positive of still being there and being able to enjoy the experience? Remember, it's not her keeping herself in.

Thats hilarious. but I'm not sure Andy is the reason. So he's a stooge for it rather than the humorist. He seems to enjoy it too, but then, its genuinely funny

In general he seems reluctantly resigned to being mocked in a very warm and good natured way.

So he's fine yes, but he's not amusing in himself, he's a reserved lad who appears quite happy to be good at tennis and live with his beautiful girl and dogs.

How you've decided the family have robust sense of humour is anyones guess. Judy presents as a prissy stuck up self involved spoilt woman.

They are all bit smug (his grandparents included) but that's understandable

Thank you for using the words 'presents as' in your first sentence. Shame you then went on to undo it all.

It never fails to amaze me how people can use the few minutes' footage they have of individuals on TV to decide they have irredeemably horrible personality traits. There is no rule that says you have to like everybody. But why decide to be rude about them without any factual basis to go on? Particularly on a thread clearly designed to be positive about said individual.

Frankly, such comments say a hell of a lot more about the personality of an individual who thinks it's fine to be stupidly judgemental on the basis of a very small snippet of information, than about the people they anonymously slag off.

I still contend that Judy isn't a 'celebrity' for her coaching. Is Leon Smith a celebrity?

It was Louis Smith chosen for Strictly, not his coach Paul Hall. It was Victoria Pendleton, and not Scott Gardner or Shane Sutton.

I've seen lots of Judy, lots and lots

I think the BIB is the most patronising and ignorant of all forum comments, its repeated ad naseum by peoiple with no sense of self IMO
Anyway it also helps me to define my ignore list so thanks

I met Judy Murray a few years ago at a charity event I was involved with in Scotland. She was an absolutely delightful person, very relaxed and easy to talk to. I also met Andy and he has a really dry sense of humour. They are a lovely family (even the apparently 'smug' grandparents who admittedly I didn't meet so what do I know? Perhaps proud can come across as smug to some eyes.)

Totally agree with the BIB, it's guaranteed to get my eyes rolling out of my skull like no other forum cliche - anybody using it should be banned immediately if not sooner!

Back to JM, I've warmed to her a hell of a lot more than I thought I would.

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I think all the Murrays, and particularly Andy, come over as having a great sense of humour. It's dry though, which the keyboard warrior type always misses. Subtle humour flies like Concorde, way over their heads.

Andy is well known for loving Mock the Week, even turning up in the audience so the panel can mock him in person. Compare Judy and Simon on receipt of pantomime judge comments: she bursts out laughing; he looks as though there's a bad smell in the room.

He is actually. I'm a big fan of him so I get to watch a lot of his interviews and follow him on social media. He's got a really dry sense of humor, it's quite funny when he does twitter/facebook Q&A sessions

Goodness, seems I touched a nerve when I told people they shouldn't write someone's personality off based purely on the few minutes they've spent watching them on TV. These people seem to think it's fine to be offensive about someone they don't know, on such a tiny impression...and yet I'm the one deemed judgemental and rude for pointing out that this is bad behaviour. Internet logic baffles me

If it's a cliche to wish people could make a few less snap judgements - or at least think a little when expressing themselves - then I stand guilty as charged. And am delighted to be ignored by such people in any case.

Back OT, I agree that Judy would never have been invited on Strictly if she weren't the mother of a famous person. But equally, if you're going to invite her on, then it's important to present her as a personality in her own right and not as somebody's mum. I actually think SCD's not doing too bad a job in the Andy-mention stakes...often enough to remind us why she's there but not so often it's tiresome.

Certainly,but you did realise that comment of mine was aimed at another poster......you had to be there.

Had you heard of Judy previous to SCD? I had .. but I haven't heard of those others you've mentioned. I doubt many people had to Google her so she is a celebrity. It's not about what you do .. it's if you are well known to the public.
Max Clifford (the a***) is well known .. but how many other publicists do we know etc etc? .. and no .. I wouldn't want him on Strictly .. even if he was free to do it.

Probably because they weren't standing/sitting on the front row at Wimbledon

For now, Judy may remain in the show imho, but if my favourite celeb gets eliminated while she is (still) saved then we will have a problem. At least in terms of my ranking this series (John Sergeant was also enjoyable sometimes, but he is one of the reasons why series 6 is not that highly regarded; him and votegate).

I didn't say she wasn't a celebrity. I said she wasn't a celebrity for her tennis coaching in response to a poster who was extolling her achievements other than being the mother of Andy. Her celebrity rests on the achievements of her sons, not on her own.

They are both public figures. Judy is more famous of the two, but not as famous as a lot of football coaches. Harry Rednap is more famous than most football coaches, and how much of that is because the press love his hansom footballing son and his pop star wife? Try claiming he's only famous because of that, and football fans would scoff at you.

It's worth remembering that as well as coaching her sons, and more recently the Fed Cup team, she was involved in developing a lot of successful Scottish players, including Elena Baltacha, Colin Fleming and Jamie Baker.

I think Harry Redknapp's celebrity as both a former West Ham player (alongside Bobby Moore and Geoff Hurst amongst others) and as a successful club manager (not coach) is assured and independent of his son and daughter-in-law so I would never make such a claim.