Not sure if it's been mentioned here before (sorry if it has) but Dark Water means Bad River. Could Missy be Rivers Valeyard? She did call The Doctor her boyfriend
Dark Water = Bad River
I like the idea of it meaning rivers valeyard. A river has water in, therefore dark water could mean 'the darkness in river'? I hope not though, she's my favorite new who character but I think her story is done and it would ruin it with her being missy unless there was a really good explanation for it. I do hope river has one more appearance though, just to tie up a few loose ends.
I think missy is either the doctor/clara or someone knew.
I think missy is either the doctor/clara or someone knew.
Originally Posted by Sora2311:
“Not sure if it's been mentioned here before (sorry if it has) but Dark Water means Bad River. Could Missy be Rivers Valeyard? She did call The Doctor her boyfriend”
“Not sure if it's been mentioned here before (sorry if it has) but Dark Water means Bad River. Could Missy be Rivers Valeyard? She did call The Doctor her boyfriend”
Interesting idea. It does tie in with the word play around River's name: Melodie Pond/River Song/Dark Water.
I have a feeling we may all be a little let down by the actual revelation but I guess we'll have to see.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“Interesting idea. It does tie in with the word play around River's name: Melodie Pond”
“Interesting idea. It does tie in with the word play around River's name: Melodie Pond”
On that by rights wouldn't her surname be Williams after her Dad or did he have to take Amy's surname.
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“On that by rights wouldn't her surname be Williams after her Dad or did he have to take Amy's surname.”
“On that by rights wouldn't her surname be Williams after her Dad or did he have to take Amy's surname.”
It was a running joke in season 6 and 7 that Rory had become 'Mr Pond' as opposed to Amy being 'Mrs Williams'. That carried over to the baby's name - Melody Pond rather than Williams.
In 'A Good Man Goes to War' River says the people of the Gamma Forest don't have a word for "Pond", as "the only water in the forest is the river". So her name 'Melody Pond' was translated as 'River Song'.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“It was a running joke in season 6 and 7 that Rory had become 'Mr Pond' as opposed to Amy being 'Mrs Williams'. That carried over to the baby's name - Melody Pond rather than Williams.
In 'A Good Man Goes to War' River says the people of the Gamma Forest don't have a word for "Pond", as "the only water in the forest is the river". So her name 'Melody Pond' was translated as 'River Song'.”
“It was a running joke in season 6 and 7 that Rory had become 'Mr Pond' as opposed to Amy being 'Mrs Williams'. That carried over to the baby's name - Melody Pond rather than Williams.
In 'A Good Man Goes to War' River says the people of the Gamma Forest don't have a word for "Pond", as "the only water in the forest is the river". So her name 'Melody Pond' was translated as 'River Song'.”
I know the Melody Pond and River Song thing I just wondered if Rory did officially take her name and I missed it.
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I know the Melody Pond and River Song thing I just wondered if Rory did officially take her name and I missed it.”
“I know the Melody Pond and River Song thing I just wondered if Rory did officially take her name and I missed it.”
No, I think it was just a joke that somehow continued and eventually influenced River's name.
Originally Posted by Mulett:
“No, I think it was just a joke that somehow continued and eventually influenced River's name.”
“No, I think it was just a joke that somehow continued and eventually influenced River's name.”
It was a joke, then Amy eventually took the name Williams.
Dark Water is considered to be the translation, from the old iron age languages, of various river names in Britian. Thames, Tame, Tamar, Taff being a few examples. probably no relevance, but quite interesting...
Dark Water = Anagram of "Missy is an amalgamation of the Rani and the Valeyard and the Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Great Granddaughter of Wilf"............. Give or take a few letters. Oh and a K left over.
Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“I know the Melody Pond and River Song thing I just wondered if Rory did officially take her name and I missed it.”
“I know the Melody Pond and River Song thing I just wondered if Rory did officially take her name and I missed it.”
When Amy signed the divorce papers in Asylum of the Daleks she signed as Amelia Williams so as far as the rest of the world was concerned that was her name. It was just the Doctor who called them all Ponds (even Rory's Dad).
I think that Missy will regenerate into Bonnie Langford and we will see the return of a deranged Mel.
I think it has been long enough for people to have forgotten about her.
I think it has been long enough for people to have forgotten about her.
Originally Posted by jcafcw:
“I think that Missy will regenerate into Bonnie Langford and we will see the return of a deranged Mel.
I think it has been long enough for people to have forgotten about her.”
“I think that Missy will regenerate into Bonnie Langford and we will see the return of a deranged Mel.
I think it has been long enough for people to have forgotten about her.”
Some people will never forget
Originally Posted by Kapellmeister:
“Please, god, don't let it have ANYTHING to do with River, Amy, the Rani or the Master!”
“Please, god, don't let it have ANYTHING to do with River, Amy, the Rani or the Master!”
Oh I dunno.... the Rani should shut people up for a bit
One place where you would find dark water is in a WELL.
Didn't Missy say at the end of Flatline "I have chosen WELL"?
I look forward to some hot bucket,-rope,-and-treasure-of-Abbot-Thomas action in the next episode.
Didn't Missy say at the end of Flatline "I have chosen WELL"?
I look forward to some hot bucket,-rope,-and-treasure-of-Abbot-Thomas action in the next episode.
Originally Posted by Vopiscus:
“One place where you would find dark water is in a WELL.
Didn't Missy say at the end of Flatline "I have chosen WELL"?
I look forward to some hot bucket,-rope,-and-treasure-of-Abbot-Thomas action in the next episode.”
“One place where you would find dark water is in a WELL.
Didn't Missy say at the end of Flatline "I have chosen WELL"?
I look forward to some hot bucket,-rope,-and-treasure-of-Abbot-Thomas action in the next episode.”
...and Clara needs to give The Doctor hell
Originally Posted by Vopiscus:
“One place where you would find dark water is in a WELL.
Didn't Missy say at the end of Flatline "I have chosen WELL"?
I look forward to some hot bucket,-rope,-and-treasure-of-Abbot-Thomas action in the next episode.”
“One place where you would find dark water is in a WELL.
Didn't Missy say at the end of Flatline "I have chosen WELL"?
I look forward to some hot bucket,-rope,-and-treasure-of-Abbot-Thomas action in the next episode.”
Cold it be one of the 23 that Danny dug.
Originally Posted by The_Judge_:
“Dark Water ????
Did I misssy something - where did this phrase come from?”
“Dark Water ????
Did I misssy something - where did this phrase come from?”
Title of Ep 11.
