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Old 27-10-2014, 21:17
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Apologies if this has been mentioned previously but is it just me who thinks it's out of character for the Doctor and the show in general to have all these people getting invited into the Tardis and having trips around the universe?

It makes it a lot less special to have people be amazed at a time machine & traveller when you're getting people, even kids not batting an eyelid at being transported across time and space.
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Old 27-10-2014, 21:22
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Originally Posted by degsyhufc
Apologies if this has been mentioned previously but is it just me who thinks it's out of character for the Doctor and the show in general to have all these people getting invited into the Tardis and having trips around the universe?

It makes it a lot less special to have people be amazed at a time machine & traveller when you're getting people, even kids not batting an eyelid at being transported across time and space.
The Tardis must not be real, they have kept showing the front of the Tardis, anything different?
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Old 27-10-2014, 21:23
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Old 27-10-2014, 22:00
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Apologies if this has been mentioned previously but is it just me who thinks it's out of character for the Doctor and the show in general to have all these people getting invited into the Tardis and having trips around the universe?

It makes it a lot less special to have people be amazed at a time machine & traveller when you're getting people, even kids not batting an eyelid at being transported across time and space.
Mmmm! I know what you mean. But from what i remember none of the kids travelled in time & space during saturdays show but they did seem excited by all of the consoles, buttons, gadgets etc & even 12 at one point slapped one of the kids hands & said "dont touch that" or words to similar effect. But, in a comedic kind of way he mentioned "is no-one going to comment that its bigger on the inside" - again words to similar effect.

Not too sure of the story but i also remember dr 3 inviting the brigadier & others into his tardis for safety's sake.
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Old 27-10-2014, 22:23
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Mmmm! I know what you mean. But from what i remember none of the kids travelled in time & space during saturdays show but they did seem excited by all of the consoles, buttons, gadgets etc & even 12 at one point slapped one of the kids hands & said "dont touch that" or words to similar effect. But, in a comedic kind of way he mentioned "is no-one going to comment that its bigger on the inside" - again words to similar effect.

Not too sure of the story but i also remember dr 3 inviting the brigadier & others into his tardis for safety's sake.
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Old 27-10-2014, 23:26
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Apologies if this has been mentioned previously but is it just me who thinks it's out of character for the Doctor and the show in general to have all these people getting invited into the Tardis and having trips around the universe?

It makes it a lot less special to have people be amazed at a time machine & traveller when you're getting people, even kids not batting an eyelid at being transported across time and space.
For me, it's a lot less special, and I get a sense of the 'revolving door' with the fact that Clara can come and go living her life as she pleases and the doctor has to keep running back to her like an intergalactic chaffeur

Also my one niggle with the RTD era was that it felt like a revolving door because the companions never seemed to stay long enough.

The best in those terms was Amy and Rory. They stayed for a lengthy amount of time (traveling permanently with him for most of that time) and got to have a long relationship with the doctor.

I agree that the kids, (or pretty much anyone else this series), not being amazed was annoying (almost as much as them being in it at all ). Writers should always remember that no matter how many times we as viewers have stepped inside the TARDIS, for new characters it is there first time, so trying to be smug by writing reactions where they don't care what they are seeing dosen't ring true and actually harms the show by making something central to the show that is indeed amazing seem unimpresssive which I cannot understand why any writer would do that other than to be self satisfied that they didn't write the reaction there should be which is just self serving and not serving the show well.
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Old 27-10-2014, 23:28
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For me, it's a lot less special, and I get a sense of the 'revolving door' with the fact that Clara can come and go living her life as she pleases and the doctor has to keep running back to her like an intergalactic chaffeur
So to travel with The Doctor you should give your entire life up your family your friends your job your house?

I like this way the best as it seems more real
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Old 27-10-2014, 23:41
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So to travel with The Doctor you should give your entire life up your family your friends your job your house?

I like this way the best as it seems more real
So you would live an ordinary day to day life most of the time when you didn't need to just to keep a house and possessions in check?. No, not me. If you could spend your life on a constant adventure where you could end up anywhere, anytime, anyplace doing anything and still visit your family occasionally why wouldn't you? that's the kind of set up that we saw with Rose and Donna where they were completely in tune with wanting the adventure to become there life in the same way was the doctors life and they could still visit there families whenever they wanted. That's the kind of scenario that rings true for me, and when take away the sci fi element you can see that there are plenty of people in the real world who actually do that kind of thing in the form of long term world traveling.

Not to dismiss or insult anyone's opinion but I think the people who prefer permanent TARDIS travelers are the kind of people who would want to fully embrace the adventure themselves and the kind who think the Clara type set up is best are the kind of people for whom everyday ordinary routine driven normal life is enough, to which there is nothing wrong with that, but I prefer permanent travelers because I'm definitely in the first 'embrace the adventure' category.
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Old 28-10-2014, 00:24
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It makes it a lot less special to have people be amazed at a time machine & traveller when you're getting people, even kids not batting an eyelid at being transported across time and space.
Delta and the Bannermen seemed to suggest that recreational time travel is pretty popular at some point. So that's took the wonder out of it somewhat.
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Old 28-10-2014, 11:39
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I agree that the kids, (or pretty much anyone else this series), not being amazed was annoying (almost as much as them being in it at all ). Writers should always remember that no matter how many times we as viewers have stepped inside the TARDIS, for new characters it is there first time, so trying to be smug by writing reactions where they don't care what they are seeing dosen't ring true and actually harms the show by making something central to the show that is indeed amazing seem unimpresssive which I cannot understand why any writer would do that other than to be self satisfied that they didn't write the reaction there should be which is just self serving and not serving the show well.
See, I quite like that we've had some be unimpressed. Like with Rory, who claimed to have read up on theories around space and time travel and so was expecting it. Or the variation on it, like with Victorian Clara, doing the traditional 'run around the TARDIS to see where the rest is' before going "Its smaller on the outside", with 11's response of "OK, wasn't expecting that..."

I was fine with Maebh's response as well "I thought it was meant to be like that" and then the other children being like "there's enough weird things going on, we're less shocked by now".

Basically, I was getting bored of every flipping companion gasping and going "its bigger on the inside!" Of course it is, the guy travels this tiny box and is inviting you in, if that was the real size you'd barely both fit!
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Old 28-10-2014, 12:29
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So to travel with The Doctor you should give your entire life up your family your friends your job your house?
I like this way the best as it seems more real
But you'd never have to do that, as (assuming you survive!) the Doctor can always return you to exactly where and when you were when you left, so no-one but you will know that you've ever been gone!
Of course that does rely on the Doctor being able to pilot the TARDIS with perfect accuracy.

Oh..........
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Old 28-10-2014, 12:33
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Basically agree with op yes it is wrong that so many people are going inside.
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Old 28-10-2014, 12:34
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But you'd never have to do that, as (assuming you survive!) the Doctor can always return you to exactly where and when you were when you left, so no-one but you will know that you've ever been gone!
Of course that does rely on the Doctor being able to pilot the TARDIS with perfect accuracy.

Oh..........
Even if he could take you to the second you left you would miss your family not seeing or speaking to them for a few years from your POV not sure I could do that.

Plus then you have to find a answer to when they ask why have you aged 5+ years when you only popped to the shop 5 mins ago.
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Old 28-10-2014, 12:51
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Plus then you have to find a answer to when they ask why have you aged 5+ years when you only popped to the shop 5 mins ago.
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Old 28-10-2014, 12:51
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If you could spend your life on a constant adventure where you could end up anywhere, anytime, anyplace doing anything and still visit your family occasionally why wouldn't you? that's the kind of set up that we saw with Rose and Donna where they were completely in tune with wanting the adventure to become there life in the same way was the doctors life and they could still visit there families whenever they wanted.
Yes, and look what happened to them. The Doctor has become painfully aware of how whisking people away and putting them in constant danger screws them up forever. Clara, in contrast to Rose, Donna or Amy, didn't want to leave her life behind, but still dreamed of travelling. Why should it make a difference to the Doctor? Instead of him coming running when she calls, there's nothing to stop him dropping her off, skipping ahead to next Thursday and picking her up again.
That's the kind of scenario that rings true for me, and when take away the sci fi element you can see that there are plenty of people in the real world who actually do that kind of thing in the form of long term world traveling.
That's what you might think you want, but if your travelling around the globe involved you seeing impossible things and being in mortal danger all the time, you might appreciate being able to have a fulfilling job and a comfy couch at the same time,

Not to dismiss or insult anyone's opinion but I think the people who prefer permanent TARDIS travelers are the kind of people who would want to fully embrace the adventure themselves and the kind who think the Clara type set up is best are the kind of people for whom everyday ordinary routine driven normal life is enough, to which there is nothing wrong with that, but I prefer permanent travelers because I'm definitely in the first 'embrace the adventure' category.
To be adventurous, you have actually go on an adventure - getting it all on a plate is boring. Surely better to have something to look forward to at the weekend?
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Old 28-10-2014, 13:49
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For me, it's a lot less special, and I get a sense of the 'revolving door' with the fact that Clara can come and go living her life as she pleases and the doctor has to keep running back to her like an intergalactic chaffeur

Also my one niggle with the RTD era was that it felt like a revolving door because the companions never seemed to stay long enough.

The best in those terms was Amy and Rory. They stayed for a lengthy amount of time (traveling permanently with him for most of that time) and got to have a long relationship with the doctor.

I agree that the kids, (or pretty much anyone else this series), not being amazed was annoying (almost as much as them being in it at all ). Writers should always remember that no matter how many times we as viewers have stepped inside the TARDIS, for new characters it is there first time, so trying to be smug by writing reactions where they don't care what they are seeing dosen't ring true and actually harms the show by making something central to the show that is indeed amazing seem unimpresssive which I cannot understand why any writer would do that other than to be self satisfied that they didn't write the reaction there should be which is just self serving and not serving the show well.
Whilst personally I can agree with this in sentiment, I thought that companions staying for a long time is not good as it 'implies' that the Doctor doesn't live for as long as inferred (and yes, I know MS's doctor aged a bit at Trenzalore).

What I mean is (and maybe an unfair example) but Tom Baker had numerous companions as did most of the classic Doctors and this gives credence that as a Time Lord, he can live to a grand old age.

Matt Smith only just having Amy, Rory and Clara as companions somehow doesn't have that believability factor as to him living a length of time before the next regeneration (but accept it due to the nu-who era being what it is as well as him buggering off doing his own thing inbetween adventuring with them).
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Old 28-10-2014, 13:54
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as well as him buggering off doing his own thing inbetween adventuring with them).
I found the fact by his POV he just left them for 200 years showed the fact he didn't really care for them that much but if I had to put up with Amy I'd leave it a few thousand years between visits
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Old 28-10-2014, 14:03
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I found the fact by his POV he just left them for 200 years showed the fact he didn't really care for them that much but if I had to put up with Amy I'd leave it a few thousand years between visits
Ooooh controversial.......but so true
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Old 28-10-2014, 14:12
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"oh so its bigger inside, and you can go anywhere anywhen, but not as cool as my iphone ......"
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Old 28-10-2014, 16:37
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Yes, and look what happened to them. The Doctor has become painfully aware of how whisking people away and putting them in constant danger screws them up forever. Clara, in contrast to Rose, Donna or Amy, didn't want to leave her life behind, but still dreamed of travelling. Why should it make a difference to the Doctor? Instead of him coming running when she calls, there's nothing to stop him dropping her off, skipping ahead to next Thursday and picking her up again.

That's what you might think you want, but if your travelling around the globe involved you seeing impossible things and being in mortal danger all the time, you might appreciate being able to have a fulfilling job and a comfy couch at the same time,


To be adventurous, you have actually go on an adventure - getting it all on a plate is boring. Surely better to have something to look forward to at the weekend?
Difference of opinion. Many on here prefer and believe more the permanent traveler set up, whilst others prefer the Clara type set up. No matter how it is spun, for me the permanent traveler set up not only makes everything feel like a random adventure and very free in terms of writing as anything can happen unexpectedly, as opposed to the doctor having reasons to come pick the companion up again with a specific thing in mind, but also, I feel that I personally would be more of a rose/donna type companion if I had the chance so to me the permanent traveler set up resonates more and is more believable. Can understand why some have the other point of view, but I think it comes down to how you sort of envision how you would do it if it were you.
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Old 28-10-2014, 19:51
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So to travel with The Doctor you should give your entire life up your family your friends your job your house?

I like this way the best as it seems more real
Plenty of people in real life do go travelling for extended periods of time. It's a lifestyle choice and not a particularly uncommon one.
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Old 28-10-2014, 20:07
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Plenty of people in real life do go travelling for extended periods of time. It's a lifestyle choice and not a particularly uncommon one.
They can still phone home or even video call now much harder to do in this situation.

They won't be able to phone home if they end up going back to the moment they left they may not miss you but you will miss them.

Even if you can phone home there is a lot of explaining to do as often on trips like that planing is involved with The Doctor it seems more spare of the moment it's not like you can phone home that afternoon or next day and say you decided to go world travelling plus it takes money most companions aren't that well off.
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Old 28-10-2014, 20:18
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They can still phone home or even video call now much harder to do in this situation.

They won't be able to phone home if they end up going back to the moment they left they may not miss you but you will miss them.

Even if you can phone home there is a lot of explaining to do as often on trips like that planing is involved with The Doctor it seems more spare of the moment it's not like you can phone home that afternoon or next day and say you decided to go world travelling plus it takes money most companions aren't that well off.
The Doctor's companions get a phone that has signal anywhere in the entire universe. It's actually much, much easier for them to contact home than it is for a regular, earthbound traveller out in the sticks! (Believe me, I know about being out of contact for a long period of time.)

Anyway, it's not really a good comparison. Travelling with the Doctor in the manner of Rose or Donna would be much more akin to just moving out of home and occasionally visiting the family. It's not like they can never go back.

Also - when have the Doctor's companions ever paid for their own travel? It's not like they have to pay him to rent a room in the Tardis or chip in for fuel
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Old 28-10-2014, 20:25
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The Doctor's companions get a phone that has signal anywhere in the entire universe. It's actually much, much easier for them to contact home than it is for a regular, earthbound traveller out in the sticks! (Believe me, I know about being out of contact for a long period of time.)

Anyway, it's not really a good comparison. Travelling with the Doctor in the manner of Rose or Donna would be much more akin to just moving out of home and occasionally visiting the family. It's not like they can never go back.

Also - when have the Doctor's companions ever paid for their own travel? It's not like they have to pay him to rent a room in the Tardis or chip in for fuel

They would still have some explaining to do on the phone "Where are you" "What are you doing" " Can you just pop over I need a hand"

Again it would depend for that you would haver to have someone who moved out anyway a plot they did with Rose was she lived at home and just went missing and again any trip you would have in the real world would be planned and your family and friends would know about it with The Doctor you just jump in and go"

I meant travelling the world costs money I can't see the likes of Rose-Martha-Donna-Amy or Clara having the funds to make that excuse believable.
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Old 28-10-2014, 20:37
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Even if he could take you to the second you left you would miss your family not seeing or speaking to them for a few years from your POV not sure I could do that.
Its fortunate for you then that the laws of physics make it impossible for you to ever have to deal with this problem!
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