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I was not questioning the practical benefits, I was after views from those that actually used them to see if was any true user benefit.
I own and where many different watches all the time, and I buy working time pieces (I also sell some). The reason I would buy an AppleWatch is because I think it might gain value over time, particularly if it is one of the top end ones. I have no interest in wearing it, and if it doesn't gain value then I'll just right it off as a bad investment, all be it a relatively cheap one. |
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Why would an apple watch gain value? It does no more than any other smartwatch right now. By the time it does get released it will have been surpassed several times over.
None of the watches I own do anything special, but most have increased in value. |
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Very unlikely i would think, mass market production quantities today probably negate this, unlikely to have a £100,00 apple Lisa for example anymore.
However if you were to take a punt on a smartwatch increasing a first edition, boxed apple would be best bet I guess. although battery long be useless by the time it was worth anything I bet
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Very unlikely i would think, mass market production quantities today probably negate this, unlikely to have a £100,00 apple Lisa for example anymore.
However if you were to take a punt on a smartwatch increasing a first edition, boxed apple would be best bet I guess. although battery long be useless by the time it was worth anything I bet ![]() |
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I was not questioning the practical benefits, I was after views from those that actually used them to see if was any true user benefit.
I own and where many different watches all the time, and I buy working time pieces (I also sell some). The reason I would buy an AppleWatch is because I think it might gain value over time, particularly if it is one of the top end ones. I have no interest in wearing it, and if it doesn't gain value then I'll just right it off as a bad investment, all be it a relatively cheap one. Having had a pebble a smart watch isn't going to change you life. I just like gadgets ![]() I have lots of watches - none of them particularly expensive. I just like to swap and change. Personally I find the apple watches ugly. Like the very early Samsung's but blinged up. But I know that beauty is in the eye of the beholder and some will love it. If you like the square watches then the imminent zenwatch looks to be a much nicer design. I still suspect that smart watches will never have a model that sells in stupidly high numbers simply because a watch is more of an individual fashion statement than a phone is and most people wouldn't want to be wearing the same as everyone else. Mimd you a nice gold smart fob-watch on a chain ..... Maybe I should dragons den it
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Mimd you a nice gold smart fob-watch on a chain ..... Maybe I should dragons den it ![]()
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I was not questioning the practical benefits, I was after views from those that actually used them to see if was any true user benefit.
I own and where many different watches all the time, and I buy working time pieces (I also sell some). The reason I would buy an AppleWatch is because I think it might gain value over time, particularly if it is one of the top end ones. I have no interest in wearing it, and if it doesn't gain value then I'll just right it off as a bad investment, all be it a relatively cheap one. As I have said in the past, I am not a fan of smart watches. Prefer a 'proper' watch. Mainly because I want a watch to look like a watch. The screen on these smart watches are so small they are pretty much useless, IMO. They say it displays text, but who sends text in this current day and age? Most people I know use whatsapp, imessenger etc. However having said that, I did look at the LG watch, and it does look pretty neat, nice and chunky and looks like a watch. However the 48 hour charge time is not something that appeals to me. The moto is the other watch that looks ok. For sometime yet, I think I will stick with a traditional watch. |
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Are you serious about it gaining value? There is no way it will, you are deluding yourself. The only watches that gain in value, are the luxury watches. A piece of electronics simply wont. If no other piece of electronic equipment from apple doesnt gain value, why would a watch?
I'm happy to take the risk. |
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Yes, I am serious about the possibility of it gaining value. As I userstand it, Apple are going to release a variety of watches at different price points. I will consider buying a top end one and see what it is worth in 20 years.
I'm happy to take the risk. Variety of watches, at different price points....you mean like their phones, macbooks, ipads, desktops? ![]() Buying an apple watch (or any of these smartwatches), as an investments, is a stupid idea, IMHO. Buying a smartwatch to use as a smartwatch, fair enough. Not my thing, but it appeals to those that have bought one. |
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When have you known anything from apple (or other manufacturers) to still be working in 20 years time?
Variety of watches, at different price points....you mean like their phones, macbooks, ipads, desktops? ![]() Buying an apple watch (or any of these smartwatches), as an investments, is a stupid idea, IMHO. Buying a smartwatch to use as a smartwatch, fair enough. Not my thing, but it appeals to those that have bought one.
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I have a zx80, zx81 and a macintosh (and several bbc micros) that are all over 20 years old and all still work.
![]() ![]() Anyway...getting back to the original point, the apple watch wont go up in value. You would be better of investing that money in something that will go up, like Google shares. |
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....The cynic in me does think that there was never any intention of getting them out early, but that they drew in a bit of extra custom ...
They send stuff overseas which is one reason they get positive mentions. And they still look last to get stuff in. The LG G watch was £100 on Amazon the other day though this looks interesting. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-29817379 ""high definition" LCD colour display and a "standby mode" battery-saving e-ink one." |
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Thats when things were built to last, which hasnt been the case for the last 15 odd years or so. What do you have that was made this century and still works? Have any of those items appreciated in value? Nah I didnt think so.
![]() Anyway...getting back to the original point, the apple watch wont go up in value. You would be better of investing that money in something that will go up, like Google shares. I have a palm pilot from around 2000 which still works fine, except compared to today's stuff it's pretty rubbish in terms of functionality. Also have a very very old iPod which I just keep in the car to run my car stereo, gets used every day and works fine. As for a first gen iWatch you would be insane to think it will gain value in 2-3 years, but if it is seen as a breakthrough device in 20-30 years time it may be a collectible item when a mint unused copy will be a rare device. |
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Yes, I am serious about the possibility of it gaining value. As I userstand it, Apple are going to release a variety of watches at different price points. I will consider buying a top end one and see what it is worth in 20 years.
I'm happy to take the risk. I'd tend to think that the only collectible Apple devices were ones that originated under the control of Steve Jobs - he was a genuine visionary, there isn't anyone with his imagination in Apple these days. Of course, I could be wrong, and you're going to have a fun little bit of jewellery that will appreciate. But I doubt it. |
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Thats when things were built to last, which hasnt been the case for the last 15 odd years or so. What do you have that was made this century and still works? Have any of those items appreciated in value? Nah I didnt think so.
![]() Anyway...getting back to the original point, the apple watch wont go up in value. You would be better of investing that money in something that will go up, like Google shares. |
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You have to be kidding I had a zx80, which are now worth a bit of money. The build quality on that was appalling and it had chronic overheating problems which is why they named it the breakfast computer. One the whole electronic stuff from 20-30 years ago was way more unreliable than today's electronics. Being a tv repair man was a viable occupation.
I have a palm pilot from around 2000 which still works fine, except compared to today's stuff it's pretty rubbish in terms of functionality. Also have a very very old iPod which I just keep in the car to run my car stereo, gets used every day and works fine. As for a first gen iWatch you would be insane to think it will gain value in 2-3 years, but if it is seen as a breakthrough device in 20-30 years time it may be a collectible item when a mint unused copy will be a rare device. Someone claiming that consumer electronics from 20+ years ago was better clearly is just making it up. |
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Is there any store where I can try on a smartwatch before buying?
Despite being a man I have relatively thin wrists and so have to be careful about what watches I buy, otherwise they look too large and silly. I've heard the 360 is quite big, and the G Watch R looks even bigger? |
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I have two zx80. One in mint condition and one where the corner has snapped from the shift key being used (you will know exactly what i mean).
Someone claiming that consumer electronics from 20+ years ago was better clearly is just making it up. Devices from 20+ years back weren't quite as "disposable" as those marketed today. |
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The difference is that these days consumer electronics tend to have a very finite lifespan. It isn't in the interests of Apple, Samsung, Sony, etc. to have devices work effectively for more than a few years.
Devices from 20+ years back weren't quite as "disposable" as those marketed today. I have no doubt that the iPods i own will work just as well in 15 years time. I accept the argument about speculating on whether something will increase in value, but I have no doubt the device will still watch. |
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I have two zx80. One in mint condition and one where the corner has snapped from the shift key being used (you will know exactly what i mean).
Someone claiming that consumer electronics from 20+ years ago was better clearly is just making it up. The key is the first gen of a device that has seen to have been the start of an important innovation. I think you will find in 20 years time for example a mint condition iPhone mark 1 will probably be very collectible. Maybe that will be true of the Apple watch, but Apple are quite capable of making duds like the Apple Newton. |
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You have to be kidding I had a zx80, which are now worth a bit of money. The build quality on that was appalling and it had chronic overheating problems which is why they named it the breakfast computer. One the whole electronic stuff from 20-30 years ago was way more unreliable than today's electronics. Being a tv repair man was a viable occupation.
I have a palm pilot from around 2000 which still works fine, except compared to today's stuff it's pretty rubbish in terms of functionality. Also have a very very old iPod which I just keep in the car to run my car stereo, gets used every day and works fine. As for a first gen iWatch you would be insane to think it will gain value in 2-3 years, but if it is seen as a breakthrough device in 20-30 years time it may be a collectible item when a mint unused copy will be a rare device. Strange I find things of yesteryears to have been more reliable. One of the reasons for that is probably, people change their electronic goods more often...hence dont need to be as reliable. If a smartwatch was to be considered a breakthough device, it would be the pebble and the likes, that would be worth money (although I still wouldnt have thought it would be a good investment). There were quite a few smartwatches on the market before the iwatch came along. Unlike your other examples, like the ZX80, which were the first devices on the market for the mass market. The iwatch will never be a good investment. Edit - I can see the point you and other posters are making, but you have to think in the past when some broke you got it fixed. Now when something breaks, we just buy a new one. Especially if the item is several years old. Granted build techniques have got better, but the quality of items has dropped off. My parents used to have a old washing machine, they had it for nearly 20 odd years....nowadays no washing machine would last 20 years. Cars were sold, you could have a minor low speed bump, and there would be no damage...now the car crumples up. |
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The difference is that these days consumer electronics tend to have a very finite lifespan. It isn't in the interests of Apple, Samsung, Sony, etc. to have devices work effectively for more than a few years.
Devices from 20+ years back weren't quite as "disposable" as those marketed today. In actual fact the last few years we've seen this slow down so people are holding onto their desktop computers longer, even iPads are now declining as an iPad 2 is still comparable to the latest device. My palm pilot still works exactly the same way as it did when I got it ( about $400 I think ) but it seems a joke now to a modern smart phone. Likewise I have a working 1 megapixel digital camera from around 14 years ago. Still works exactly as it did when I got it but its rubbish compared to any modern device. I was into electronics in the 80s as a kid and it's delusional to think consumer grade products made then were built to last. A great example is an 'Amstrad Hi Fi' |
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My parents used to have a old washing machine, they had it for nearly 20 odd years....nowadays no washing machine would last 20 years. Cars were sold, you could have a minor low speed bump, and there would be no damage...now the car crumples up.
I would probably also suggest that, taking into account inflation etc., you could buy four new washing machines that last 5 years each for the price that that one washing machine your parents owned for 20 years cost. It's all relative. Quote:
The screen on these smart watches are so small they are pretty much useless, IMO. They say it displays text, but who sends text in this current day and age? Most people I know use whatsapp, imessenger etc.
Most watches receive notifications from any app, including Whatsapp, BBM, Hangouts, or whatever messaging service you use, so you can read any text from whatever service you use. Many of them, including Hangouts and Whatsapp again, also allow you to respond via voice, although I still find it easier to pull out my phone to respond.
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Yes but if you took the amount of money you spent on a ZX80, and adjusted by inflation you would probably end up at what they are worth now. Although with buyers its probably more to do with nostalgia than anything else.
Strange I find things of yesteryears to have been more reliable. One of the reasons for that is probably, people change their electronic goods more often...hence dont need to be as reliable. If a smartwatch was to be considered a breakthough device, it would be the pebble and the likes, that would be worth money (although I still wouldnt have thought it would be a good investment). There were quite a few smartwatches on the market before the iwatch came along. Unlike your other examples, like the ZX80, which were the first devices on the market for the mass market. The iwatch will never be a good investment. Edit - I can see the point you and other posters are making, but you have to think in the past when some broke you got it fixed. Now when something breaks, we just buy a new one. Especially if the item is several years old. Granted build techniques have got better, but the quality of items has dropped off. My parents used to have a old washing machine, they had it for nearly 20 odd years....nowadays no washing machine would last 20 years. Cars were sold, you could have a minor low speed bump, and there would be no damage...now the car crumples up. |
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Thanks for you advice, but on the basis that I'm quite happy to take the risk, I think I stick to what I am considering.
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Much of what you are saying I fully agree with. However, I would argue that modern cars crumple because they are designed to for safety reasons, rather than because they are built poorly. Granted, it's not the best news when someone prangs you at 5mph, but at higher speeds the crumpling can make the difference between life and death.
I would probably also suggest that, taking into account inflation etc., you could buy four new washing machines that last 5 years each for the price that that one washing machine your parents owned for 20 years cost. It's all relative. Most watches receive notifications from any app, including Whatsapp, BBM, Hangouts, or whatever messaging service you use, so you can read any text from whatever service you use. Many of them, including Hangouts and Whatsapp again, also allow you to respond via voice, although I still find it easier to pull out my phone to respond. Say if someone sent you a picture or a video, you would still have to take out your phone. Although I can see the benefit of the watch for short messages...even then its limited - what do you do if you want to reply? You have to use your phone I take it. In which case, you might as well read the message on the phone. I like gadgets, but smartwatches arent something that appeal to me, yet. Much prefer my watch to a smartwatch. |
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