But isn't there a fundamental difference that people that go through trans gender realignment have always felt they were born into the wrong genders body. I happen to have a friend who has changed sex and that is how he feels. He is a man that was born in a woman's body by mistake. Is that how the Master is supposed to have felt through every male incarnation we have seen?

I have no issue with gender realignment. I'm sire mu friend who I have known for nearly 40 years would back that up. But I do have to admit that whilst I have no issue with Time Lords changing race (if they regenerate in a hot country, it would make sense for self preservation that they would have a darker skin to protect them from the Sun's rays and for 'camaflauge') I don't really see why they would change gender as a matter of course.

Doesn't mean they can't, just I don't see there would be any need or want for it as a matter of course. The basic character doesn't change from incarnation to incarnation after all.

Every non-fiction book on science fiction and fantasy I've read says the plot
has to follow a system of logic and make sense. Do you think there
are "no rules" in "The War of the Worlds", "the King of Elf-land's
Daughter", "The Lord of the Rings", "The Man in the High Castle", "Dune"
or "A Wizard of Earthsea"?

You always know when an episode has proven divisive by the number of defensive threads popping up on this forum

Apparently if you don't like something in the show then you are one of the following: entitled, sexist, not representative of the audience therefore your opinion is irrelevant, racist, homophobic, ageist, not thinking of the children (oh won't someone please think of the children) or not considering all the terrible things in the world.

Sorry to make light of this but it's utterly ridiculous. The vast majority of us are none of those things, we either liked the gender change or we didn't. It says very little about us other than we all have differing tastes.

Right. But that's a different argument, and one that I've never disagreed with. Doing it for the sake of 'shocking' is never a great idea, and we still have to see if that's what's happened.


Maybe, maybe not. Time Lord body image is probably a very different beast to the human equivalent, and potentially much easier to deal with.

So true as problems are problems no matter were you are.

Ah, but not all problems are problems in other places.

What a dull old dead end argument. Is it just possible that you can cry over a tv programme and have a firm grasp of your privileged place in the world? Every single worry I have is shamingly trivial compared to the worries of some people on this planet. I don't go around saying "my life is ruined" about anything, but I can't honesty think that it would make a difference to anyone if I did.

I was disappointed to see Paul Cornell, whose work I admire, play this card:


No Paul, if my best friend told me he was going to have gender reassignment
surgery, I would support him and stay friends with as he became a she.

By contrast, if Don Draper, Hannah Horvath, Alicia Florrick or Rick Grimes suddenly changed gender, people would be annoyed, and it would have nothing to do with any
hostility to trans* people.

Moffat spends too much time playing up to the fanboys and not enough time writing a decent story.

But despite all these "real" problems going on in the world you chose to come on here and start a thread ranting about it and even claiming to be "angry" about other people's opinions rather than just ignore them.

If a few opinions on a discussion forum make you so annoyed that you feel compulsory to start a thread complaining about it then that makes you just as bad.

Pot meet Kettle.

This is a very bizarre thread. Of course it is ok to care about a programme without losing sight of the real world.

This is a very bizarre thread. Of course it is ok to care about a programme without losing sight of the real world.

I'm getting deja-vu. Feels like Groundhog Day.

I'm getting deja-vu. Feels like Groundhog Day.

L.O.L moaning about moaning dr who fans = FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS-- just L.O.L

Oh come on if that's the case then case all Fanbases have Fans with First World Problems, it's not just a 'Who" thing and besides as long as someone isn't being arsey about it then I see no harm in giving constructive criticism towards a show you love.

To be honest sometimes I wish the only things the World did have to worry about is First World Problems, at least we wouldn't have wars, poverty and world-hunger anymore. (And I don't care if that makes me sound like a Do-Gooding Hippy!)

But at the end of the day it problems we face in our own country are more important for people to change.

It's clear the OP hasn't looked at some of the issues being discussed on the Big Brother/Soaps/Showbiz/Chatter forums - I reckon his/her brain would explode.

A truly, truly bizarre discussion to start...

Everyone has first world problems, doesn't mean they dont care about the horrors going on in the world


I agree people do overreact sometimes

Well if you care about world problems like you say you do, why do you think other people don't?
It may simply be the case that this is a Doctor Who forum and they feel that this isn't the appropriate forum to be starting threads about all the problems in the world.