Explains the iPads, however do you reckon Steve Jobs is a Cyberman now?

Or even he designed the first iMan? God that WiFi must have been good down there!

I did find that line tacky TBH

Did anyone else think 'too soon' at the Steve Jobs reference, only to later look it up on Wikpedia and realise that he died all the way back in 2011 and that what grown-ups always said when you were a child about time seeming to pass faster when you got older was actually true and you're now on a speeding rollercoaster hurtling towards old age and death?

Because I certainly did.

Gave me a good chuckle

Me too

Perfect way to explain the iPads lol

Line of the series imo.
Just beating, "Nothing is more important than my egomania."

I smiled.

A line not only in extremely poor taste but I have to wonder how much Moffat got from Apple for all the blatant product shots.

did anyone see the camp cyberman mincing along lol

It made me laugh. I also liked "WE'VE GOT A BURNER!"

Do you think the bitchy Daleks will return?

Nothing. They aren't allowed to advertise. And you never saw a product logo. There are numerous fake brand logos used within the show on computers and laptops for this reason.

Great Monty Python reference.

Totally line of the series

I wonder if they also have the Chinese workers, who commit suicide, back making iPads.

Way to bring it down.

Just out of curiosity, but why? The trivial line in question was clearly celebrating the man and his achievements in its own little way. Is it any different or worse than making a Whodunnit story with a fictional interpretation of Agatha Christie, when she herself was alive until 1976? How long are we expected to wait before we can celebrate the dead faces of fame who put themselves in the spotlight?

It wasn't celebrating the man and his achievements; it was a darkly humorous joke.

he has been dead for more than 4 yeas, as a figure in public society, I dont think this was too soonish, other than Apple groupies, I cant see anyone else being offended by the line.

It was essentially bragging about the man. A joke, yes, but one that was complimentary in nature, as in they were proud to have him and his technology. The only reason it was 'dark humour' was because it made light of the fact the man is dead, that's all. It wasn't a verbal attack or an assault against him, and anyone who gets worked up over such a quick passing remark is trying too hard to be offended, for what little my opinion is worth.

“Remembering that I'll be dead soon is the most important tool I've ever encountered to help me make the big choices in life.

Almost everything--all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure--these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important.

Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart.

No one wants to die. Even people who want to go to heaven don't want to die to get there. And yet, death is the destination we all share. No one has ever escaped it, and that is how it should be, because death is very likely the single best invention of life. It's life's change agent. It clears out the old to make way for the new.”

Steve Jobs (when still alive, obviously)

I don't understand why anyone would see it as being in poor taste. I thought it was a joke and I found it really funny, truth be told

I don't mean that the joke was meant to defame him but it wasn't some appreciative nod. Not unappreciative but its importance is exaggerated. It is funny/not funny (depending on your mileage) because he is dead.

Let him have his fantasy world of groundless Moffat hatred.


I personally never like references like this. I feel they just end up dating episodes.