Doctor Who has far too often killed someone off only to bring them back (Pete, Jenny, Rory, Clara, those two from Bank Hesit). For once they need to kill someone off and leave them that way so it doesn't give off the wrong message to kids that death has no meaning.

I just want him to stay dead because he's a dreadful one dimensional character. Maybe if he turned cyberman he'd have a bit more range.

Actually Pete was dead to begin with and stayed dead. You are talking about another Pete, however with a different history and personality yet the same person. There is a difference.

Rory did die in the end.

Those forms of Claras' did die, with the original version surviving.

As for 'doesnt give off the wrong message to kids'... I don't know there's something about a 10 year old Amelia wanting to run off with a man she has just met (and be in her house alone eating fish fingers and custard) that could be sending the wrong message to kids too.

The point is Danny is likely to be the pawn in Missy's game, knowing full well Clara would do anything to get him back, leading the Doctor straight to where he needs to be. The likely outcome is that whilst he is 'dead' he is still connect to his body that it could be possible to place him back, much like it seems like the souls of the dead are being converted to Cyberman (cyber technology) and are now physical replacing what were dead bodies.

Was Missy driving the car or at least set his death up?

There's no way he's actually dead. The car crash will have been someone else being hit. Danny will have simply disappeared and his body is quite safe.

Clara got to the scene of the accident before the body was taken away so would have seen if it was Danny or not.

So unless Missy had provided a fake body that was identical to Danny I don't see how everyone would think Danny was dead.

Orson

That would be evil

Reminds me of a story where the main characters could travel to parallel worlds and one of them faked his own death by killing a parallel version of himself and bringing it back to his own world.


Still think Danny is dead though with his mind uploaded to the Matrix on the point of death,

It remains to be seen if he will stay dead or not.

Clearly people can come and go through the Nethersphere though. Missy can as we've seen her in the Nethersphere and in the real world.

Well if The Doctor finds Missy did kill or arrange his death he could bring him back as he wasn't supposed to die in the original history.

Missy isn't dead and presumably has a TARDIS. So she could enter and exit like the Doctor did. The dead had the consciousness extracted at the point of death and was stored in that Gallifreyan technology to be downloaded into the Cybermen. Quite where they got all those dead bodies/skeletons from is anybody's guess.

Danny's body was obviously damaged enough to kill him. Presumably it's currently in cold storage somewhere (that somewhere could have been one of the tanks and they may already have him). To 'save' him the Doctor is either going to have to go back in time and undo things (which surely can't happen as he himself outlined to Clara) or find a way to fix his body after he's been dead several days. Not convinced that's possible.

If it turns out to be yet another 'he doesn't really die in the end after all' then it'll seem like a massive cop out, particularly when Moffat promised 'consequences' this year and no reset buttons.

I wonder if the reality will be that Danny pressing the button will download him into his now cyber-converted body and that later in the episode he'll be able to save Clara that way.

As I said if Missy did it they may be able to get around that by saying that as he wasn't supposed to die in the original history they could go back and save him and besides they have to so that Orson is born.

Oh, the irony.

(Also, 200th post!)

So there are plenty of get out clauses

Sperm bank
Clara's already pregnant
Go back in time, get Clara pregnant, still let Danny die
His distant cousin has children who eventually cross paths with Clara's descendants

The one I'd like is:
The Mistress takes over Danny's body and runs off with Clara to live happily ever after

The one I suspect he'll use is:
Big red reset button - Danny will be fine.

Unless she is already pregnant!

That could be a few weeks ago The Doctor mentioned something pregnancy in passing and she gave a shifty look like she knew it was possible she was.

I am suspicious that part of Clara's need for the convo at the beginning was that she found out she was pregnant.

My feeling is that Danny is going to stay dead, and there will be an "emotional" moment at the end of the episode where he has to accept that he is dead and say goodbye to Clara.

Some fans have said her moods ect have been up and down in the past few episodes if she is maybe that is the reason.

I disagree. Danny should not have been killed off. He's more mature than either Mickey or Rory.

Maybe because he's twice their age

Not necessarily. John Simm never had, and was always trying to nick the Doctor's Tardis. Probably lost or mislaid it before he became Brother Cadfael.

Anyway I'm not completely sure that Miss Gomez IS the genuine Master, as yet. Could be she's his spirit uploaded into an android and wants the Doctor's body to be a male Time Lord again, who knows? Especially if she's heard that the Time Lords are around and handing out new regeneration cycles, willy-nilly.

True but Missy has shown up in different times from Victorian London (Deep Breath) to The Future (Into The Dalek)

I assume one of The Doctor's options to save the world will be to delete all information stored in the Nethersphere.