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Old 02-11-2014, 20:17
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Just a bit of speculation, throwing it out there....

The Missy>Mistress>Master twist just seems TOO obvious, TOO simple and it begs the question, is this a double bluff by Missy?

I have seen a few other suggestions of this on other places, the fact that Missy's method to take control involves experimentation on humans, a disregard for ethics and morals (I think we can all agree that this kind of use of the dead is an ethical/moral extreme that, in modern times at least, no villain has yet reached) and the trickster nature of Missy, which although seems very much like the Master, still strikes me as distinctively different to his previous approaches at universal domination and has left me unconvinced that The Master is Missy's true identity.

So far, we only have Missy's word that she is the Master and I'm not sure her word is enough until we get a bit more of an explanation, hopefully in next weeks episode!

Now, don't get me wrong, this simplistic approach is refreshing after some of Moffat's more timey-wimey/overly complicated finales. However it just seems a bit too simple, I expect that there a few more crucial details yet to be revealed to us about Missy.

Or maybe just a part of me still wants Missy to turn out to be the Rani and i'm over thinking things?

Oh well, has anyone else had a similar feeling about this reveal or am I letting my imagination run away a little :')
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Old 02-11-2014, 20:30
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Just a bit of speculation, throwing it out there....

The Missy>Mistress>Master twist just seems TOO obvious, TOO simple and it begs the question, is this a double bluff by Missy?

I have seen a few other suggestions of this on other places, the fact that Missy's method to take control involves experimentation on humans, a disregard for ethics and morals (I think we can all agree that this kind of use of the dead is an ethical/moral extreme that, in modern times at least, no villain has yet reached) and the trickster nature of Missy, which although seems very much like the Master, still strikes me as distinctively different to his previous approaches at universal domination and has left me unconvinced that The Master is Missy's true identity.

So far, we only have Missy's word that she is the Master and I'm not sure her word is enough until we get a bit more of an explanation, hopefully in next weeks episode!

Now, don't get me wrong, this simplistic approach is refreshing after some of Moffat's more timey-wimey/overly complicated finales. However it just seems a bit too simple, I expect that there a few more crucial details yet to be revealed to us about Missy.

Or maybe just a part of me still wants Missy to turn out to be the Rani and i'm over thinking things?

Oh well, has anyone else had a similar feeling about this reveal or am I letting my imagination run away a little :')
Yep the experiments do seem to be more the Rani than the master I agree.
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Old 02-11-2014, 20:36
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There should be at least one more twist next week, so...
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Old 02-11-2014, 20:41
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The BBC one Twitter account where tweeting about her being the master a lot after the reveal, I doubt they would make it so official before then doing a huge U-turn - it would confuse and disappoint too many people imo
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Old 02-11-2014, 20:42
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It would definitely make an interesting twist, and clever writing on Moffat's part, I doubt many people would actually expect it to happen. I do want to see it be true, but I can't say I expect it more than I expect Missy to actually be the Master.

Also, gotta say, I was expecting a more verbal response against the idea :') What a pleasant surprise!
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Old 02-11-2014, 20:55
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They'd get so much criticism for backing out of this development, and as someone who is more than satisfied by it despite not being particularly keen to have the Master back beforehand, I'd be disappointed.

It is a very simple notion, but often Moffat goes for the simple solution, completely undercutting all the overly complicated fan theories. I've seen all sorts of theories from Missy being Romana, to Missy, Clara and The Doctor being representations of Greek Gods...all ideas people have woven and taken seriously as possible. I mean, nearly anything is possible in Doctor Who but sometimes the most simple things are the best. And sometimes they're not...such as River Song/Melody Pond.
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Old 02-11-2014, 20:58
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Moffat seemed adamant on DW Extra that she was going to do very well in the role - looking past the Moffat Lies bs.
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Old 02-11-2014, 21:30
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Sylvester McCoy was right - after all ......
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Old 02-11-2014, 21:48
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Sylvester McCoy was right - after all ......
Right about what????? Or am i missing something
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Old 02-11-2014, 21:50
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Since the Missy and Master pages on the official site have been merged I would assume that there is no bluff: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/prof...2LJ6DRV0/missy
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Old 02-11-2014, 21:52
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Right about what????? Or am i missing something
He told us the Master was in this series back in March:

http://www.kasterborous.com/2014/03/...s-next-master/
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Old 02-11-2014, 21:56
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Just a bit of speculation, throwing it out there....

The Missy>Mistress>Master twist just seems TOO obvious, TOO simple and it begs the question, is this a double bluff by Missy?

I have seen a few other suggestions of this on other places, the fact that Missy's method to take control involves experimentation on humans, a disregard for ethics and morals (I think we can all agree that this kind of use of the dead is an ethical/moral extreme that, in modern times at least, no villain has yet reached) and the trickster nature of Missy, which although seems very much like the Master, still strikes me as distinctively different to his previous approaches at universal domination and has left me unconvinced that The Master is Missy's true identity.

So far, we only have Missy's word that she is the Master and I'm not sure her word is enough until we get a bit more of an explanation, hopefully in next weeks episode!

Now, don't get me wrong, this simplistic approach is refreshing after some of Moffat's more timey-wimey/overly complicated finales. However it just seems a bit too simple, I expect that there a few more crucial details yet to be revealed to us about Missy.

Or maybe just a part of me still wants Missy to turn out to be the Rani and i'm over thinking things?

Oh well, has anyone else had a similar feeling about this reveal or am I letting my imagination run away a little :')
Well firstly, for the kind of die hard fans who frequent this forum, the whole missy>mistress>master thing seems obvious, because everything that is said is analysed and dissected over and over on here, but to a casual viewer, or the kind of person who just watches it every week but dosen't think about it too much inbetween, the whole missy/master thing could easily seem clever. I think sometimes we forget the target audience is just as much the average viewer as it is the obsessive fans (sometimes even more so)

Secondly, the fact file for missy on the official website now has all the master information in it as her past (saying the characters first appearance was terror of the autons etc) which I don't think they would do if it was all just a bluff.

It's not impossible but I doubt it's a bluff. I'd be disappointed if it was.
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