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Simon Cowell And Stereo Kicks
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ucra girl
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by marianner:
“I have a feeling Simon looks at them as a challenge. To make a huge group work.
When they did Beatles, they were really cool, it was different. If they could keep them in that direction, they could make it to the final.

The problem is that Louis hasnt got a vision about them. He just sees a new TT, Boyzone.
They have potential.”

Completely agree!
ucra girl
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by wise-up:
“Bib 1- they had obscenly loud backing tracks with prerecorded harmonies and backing vocals which drowned them out during the chorus to make them sound better than they were.

Bib 2- They were not much better as performers. Watch their only girl performance where they had to do a little bit of choreography and interact with dancers. It was so awkward. I think stereo kicks performance of the backstreet boys song was stronger than that and that was 1Ds semi-final performance.

1D did have more charisma and more individuality than stereokicks though and a better look too.

I dont think it is fair to write them off too soon though, 1D were awful 90% of the time but have improved a bit (Louis is still dreadful and has a crap personality too) so SK could improve.”

Well said

I even dont think 1D have improved that much as singers or performers.It is clever marketing and they came at a time when there was no boyband.The Vamps,Union J etc are just in a catch up with 1D.

1D were mentored by Simon who had a vision for them.Loius has no clue what to do with SK.Simon who knows what to do with SK has stood by them.
Jules_Thornley
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by gorgeousgirl:
“I mean with 1D they sort of built up their story from the start, we saw all/most of their auditions, we followed them at bootcamp (remember Zayn's not wanting to dance being a major thing) so when we hit the lives, you knew who they were.”

Slightly different issue but nail on the head with regards to the problem with the show/contestants as a whole. Old bootcamp you got to know contestants. New bootcamp is a joke. The constant high turn around, showing/not showing contestants, mixing it all up too much - simply stops you from actually knowing who everyone is by the time hits live shows. That and picking the wrong people probably anyway..

That aside - stereo kicks aren't going anywhere. They will disband after leaving competition this week or next and 4-5 of them will try making a go if it without the other 3 or 4. Probably unsuccessfully.
marianner
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“Completely agree!”

They need to be challenged in song choices imo. One of them can rap so who knows what all of them individually are capable of.
SULLA
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by marianner:
“They need to be challenged in song choices imo. One of them can rap so who knows what all of them individually are capable of.”

Rap is not proper music.
Patti-Ann
05-11-2014
This is on Reece's twitter:

Reece Bibby @ReeceBibby · Nov 4
Dusted off the guitar 😏 little jam session going on ✌️😎 x http://instagram.com/p/u-qF8zjdPi/

I think it's unlikely we'll see them on stage with any guitars though
BBwoofie
05-11-2014
I notice that people when criticising this group they conveniently forget about their week 3 performance, "Let it be, Hey Jude" which reached 12 on iTunes downloads. Dare I say it, but Stereo Kicks should be more reflective of Peter Waterman's idea of a male vocal harmonising group! When the group has treaded the path of the old and tired X Factor boy band formula with up tempo songs, big production effects and heavy use of a backing track music/vocals they have lost ground.

I understand that the demographics of the audience has changed on the X Factor and with the free voting system to succeed in this competition you have to appeal to a broad audience, appealing to a niche, e.g. "teenage girls" won't keep you in the contest anymore. This is why I believe the overs are doing better than the younger contestants, particularly the boys.

I believe the audience do accept the Stereo Kicks as an unique 8 piece group but only when they focus on actually singing, particularly when they sing together with the music stripped right back so you can actually hear their voices.

I don't think the audience dislike the boys, it's that for the majority of the audience boy bands are not that appealing.They still have a shot to keep in the competition this week, but the odds are stacked against them, as people have formed their opinions and may be sticking with their favourites, particularly if they feel their favourite is at risk. It is difficult at this stage to change people's perceptions, they will need a "wow" performance to pick up enough of people's casual free votes, i.e that was good/better and deserves a vote, which is what I think happened in week 3. Week 3 showed they had potential and I think they should have continued in that direction.
String9
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“After the show they will not be mentored by Loius and there will not be themes. He will get them songs that suit them,good producers and good marketing”

He will not sign them. It is becoming obvious that they are not popular. The next time they are in the bottom 2, they will be voted off.

For some reason Simon believed they would get the Teen backing, so far that hasn't happened. As soon as they are off the show, he will turn his back on them and they will probably split up.
String9
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by Jules_Thornley:
“That aside - stereo kicks aren't going anywhere. They will disband after leaving competition this week or next and 4-5 of them will try making a go if it without the other 3 or 4. Probably unsuccessfully.”

Spot on.
marianner
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Rap is not proper music.”

LOL, of course it is. Fleur raps as well. Its a good thing imo 😜
Cpt James Kirk
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by BBwoofie:
“I notice that people when criticising this group they conveniently forget about their week 3 performance, "Let it be, Hey Jude" which reached 12 on iTunes downloads.
.”

Perish the thought!! Probably paid for by a load of kids who have never heard of the Beatles. Sadly.

I hate it with a vengeance when X Factor acts ' sing ' Beatles songs!! Jut my opinion tho.

As for the boys, to me they just don't look ' right ' together. The tall guy is a good singer and a couple of the others are ok but sometimes out of tunes and the rest just seem pointless. One of them has big ( i think they are ear rings ) in his ears and your eyes are drawn to them no matter how hard you try to look away. Another one has big gums. They just don't have the ' look ' never mind the voices and no amount of singing harmonies will make them good in my view!
BethnalGreen
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by marianner:
“LOL, of course it is. Fleur raps as well. Its a good thing imo 😜”

Rap only does well with other music around it though, on its own it would be a shit genre of music lol. I recognise the skill and appreciate it for what it is. Very few people are good enough to do it well. However, I need a song with rap in it to have a lot more than just a hook etc - it needs a good sample/melody behind it. Something that Eiminem is very good at If it doesn't hae a decent melody behind it - then I can't stand it
ucra girl
05-11-2014
Originally Posted by String9:
“He will not sign them. It is becoming obvious that they are not popular. The next time they are in the bottom 2, they will be voted off.

For some reason Simon believed they would get the Teen backing, so far that hasn't happened. As soon as they are off the show, he will turn his back on them and they will probably split up.”

Tamera and Ella were bottom 2 and voted off.Ella was bottom of the public vote.Simon signing acts doesnt depend on the voting.He has screwed up popular winners.It all depends on whether he himself and his label believe in the act and its potential in the genre.The XFactor is themed,contestants do not fit all themes in all weeks.It is the long term genre otherwise Leon Jackson would still be around.

If anybody doesnt believe in contestants because of votes,it is Simon.He knows about protest and tactical voting.Stevi can win on a protest vote,you imagine he will get a long term commitment from Syco??
Blondie X
06-11-2014
Originally Posted by SULLA:
“Rap is not proper music.”

Daft comment. Just because a genre isn't to your taste doesn't mean it can be dismissed as 'not proper music'.
drakhen
06-11-2014
Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“Tamera and Ella were bottom 2 and voted off.Ella was bottom of the public vote.Simon signing acts doesnt depend on the voting.He has screwed up popular winners.It all depends on whether he himself and his label believe in the act and its potential in the genre.The XFactor is themed,contestants do not fit all themes in all weeks.It is the long term genre otherwise Leon Jackson would still be around.

If anybody doesnt believe in contestants because of votes,it is Simon.He knows about protest and tactical voting.Stevi can win on a protest vote,you imagine he will get a long term commitment from Syco??”

Ella and Tamera are completely different cases. Ella was in the bottom 2 once and only landed there after the 7th live show. Tamera had a lot of bad press and mixed comments from the judges. Her and Ella also didn't have the benefit of the rabid fanbase that boybands attract.

Stereo Kicks should be comfortably out of the bottom 2 every week. They have 8 lots of family and friends voting for them, free voting which is beneficial to their fanbase and have received lots of help from the producers and judges. Instead, they are in the sing-off after one live show. If any act should be appealing to the popular vote it's a boyband.
ShAneOmaC2005
06-11-2014
Originally Posted by BBwoofie:
“I notice that people when criticising this group they conveniently forget about their week 3 performance, "Let it be, Hey Jude" which reached 12 on iTunes downloads. Dare I say it, but Stereo Kicks should be more reflective of Peter Waterman's idea of a male vocal harmonising group! When the group has treaded the path of the old and tired X Factor boy band formula with up tempo songs, big production effects and heavy use of a backing track music/vocals they have lost ground.

I understand that the demographics of the audience has changed on the X Factor and with the free voting system to succeed in this competition you have to appeal to a broad audience, appealing to a niche, e.g. "teenage girls" won't keep you in the contest anymore. This is why I believe the overs are doing better than the younger contestants, particularly the boys.

I believe the audience do accept the Stereo Kicks as an unique 8 piece group but only when they focus on actually singing, particularly when they sing together with the music stripped right back so you can actually hear their voices.

I don't think the audience dislike the boys, it's that for the majority of the audience boy bands are not that appealing.They still have a shot to keep in the competition this week, but the odds are stacked against them, as people have formed their opinions and may be sticking with their favourites, particularly if they feel their favourite is at risk. It is difficult at this stage to change people's perceptions, they will need a "wow" performance to pick up enough of people's casual free votes, i.e that was good/better and deserves a vote, which is what I think happened in week 3. Week 3 showed they had potential and I think they should have continued in that direction.”

That week 3 performance was so predictable. "Hey Jude" has that nanananananan which can be sung by a crowd of 10000 drunk football hooligans and stilll sound semi decent. This week they will no doubt be singing " We will rock you" which is similar in terms of can get sung by 10000 drunk hooligans and sound semi - decent. I could see that "Hey jude" set up a mile away and even said they would only use it for the nananananananannaa bit.... which funnily enough they did... They did not even attempt any of the verses.. straight into the nanananan as a cheap way to finish off "let it be" nothing more than that.


They have no vocal skills at all.. surely an 8 piece boyband should have at least a few good vocalists rather than, lets be honest, just the one. It s HIGHLY unlikely that they will get signed up by Cowell. ( Ella and Tamera were making headlines and gobsmacking performances along the way this is why he signed them up) I wrote Stereokicks off after their first live performance and when you look at last week's performance, not much has changed, nor has my opinion. Really does not take a genius to figure out they are going nowhere, fast.

Why on earth would he sign them up? They are not even that good looking,they certainly dont have the bodies,nor are they pretty enough to sell on sex factor alone. I am starting to believe Cowell is hyping them up for entertainment purposes, which to some extent is working, I find it interesting to watch/laugh at them each week and try to figure out exactly why a small minority seem to think they will become an instant hit for simply having the tag of "boyband".
ucra girl
06-11-2014
Originally Posted by drakhen:
“Ella and Tamera are completely different cases. Ella was in the bottom 2 once and only landed there after the 7th live show. Tamera had a lot of bad press and mixed comments from the judges. Her and Ella also didn't have the benefit of the rabid fanbase that boybands attract.

Stereo Kicks should be comfortably out of the bottom 2 every week. They have 8 lots of family and friends voting for them, free voting which is beneficial to their fanbase and have received lots of help from the producers and judges. Instead, they are in the sing-off after one live show. If any act should be appealing to the popular vote it's a boyband.”

Off course you dont realise it is about POTENTIAL not votes on the XFactor.How many winners who topped the vote every week have gone on to be successful.So where is Sam Bailey,Leon Jackson,Joe Mc ????? Tamera and Ella should show you that it is who Simon believes in.The public can vote for who entertains them on a Saturday night.
ShAneOmaC2005
06-11-2014
Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“Off course you dont realise it is about POTENTIAL not votes on the XFactor.How many winners who topped the vote every week have gone on to be successful.So where is Sam Bailey,Leon Jackson,Joe Mc ????? Tamera and Ella should show you that it is who Simon believes in.The public can vote for who entertains them on a Saturday night.”

Said already, Tamera and Ella both actually delivered some amazing performances for a few weeks, not just good, but damn good. Sk had 1 semi ok performance which was an easy one for them. Even then it really wasnt anything to shout about, oh they have "cool" hairstyles though... or do they? lol I don't see any potential but ill be glad to read anything you can show me whcih can prove me wrong.
ucra girl
06-11-2014
Originally Posted by ShAneOmaC2005:
“That week 3 performance was so predictable. "Hey Jude" has that nanananananan which can be sung by a crowd of 10000 drunk football hooligans and stilll sound semi decent. This week they will no doubt be singing " We will rock you" which is similar in terms of can get sung by 10000 drunk hooligans and sound semi - decent. I could see that "Hey jude" set up a mile away and even said they would only use it for the nananananananannaa bit.... which funnily enough they did... They did not even attempt any of the verses.. straight into the nanananan as a cheap way to finish off "let it be" nothing more than that.


They have no vocal skills at all.. surely an 8 piece boyband should have at least a few good vocalists rather than, lets be honest, just the one. It s HIGHLY unlikely that they will get signed up by Cowell. ( Ella and Tamera were making headlines and gobsmacking performances along the way this is why he signed them up) I wrote Stereokicks off after their first live performance and when you look at last week's performance, not much has changed, nor has my opinion. Really does not take a genius to figure out they are going nowhere, fast.

Why on earth would he sign them up? They are not even that good looking,they certainly dont have the bodies,nor are they pretty enough to sell on sex factor alone. I am starting to believe Cowell is hyping them up for entertainment purposes, which to some extent is working, I find it interesting to watch/laugh at them each week and try to figure out exactly why a small minority seem to think they will become an instant hit for simply having the tag of "boyband".”

It should not take a genius to realise that Simon signed 1D whose vocals were and are still awaful.They dont even have a lead singer.Liam was a 2 times XFactor reject.They cant dance.Nial and Louis are pointless.He has turned them into a global sucess.
ShAneOmaC2005
06-11-2014
Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“It should not take a genius to realise that Simon signed 1D whose vocals were and are still awaful.They dont even have a lead singer.Liam was a 2 times XFactor reject.They cant dance.Nial and Louis are pointless.He has turned them into a global sucess.”

I am not going to defend 1D I am not a 1D fan. I am talking about what I see in front of me. You really should not be basing your opinions on the past. In my opinion 1D are a flash in the pan. But in fairness they still had more going for them than SK. Just because 1 talentless boyband gets signed up b Cowell, does not mean they all will. Simple as.
ucra girl
06-11-2014
Originally Posted by ShAneOmaC2005:
“Said already, Tamera and Ella both actually delivered some amazing performances for a few weeks, not just good, but damn good. Sk had 1 semi ok performance which was an easy one for them. Even then it really wasnt anything to shout about, oh they have "cool" hairstyles though... or do they? lol I don't see any potential but ill be glad to read anything you can show me whcih can prove me wrong.”

They were not a band that needs to gel together.As long as the potential is there and it was at the chair challenge and wk 3.

Simon mentored Fifth Harmony.They were very good at judges houses but struggled in the first 5 weeks of the live shows.They were bottom 2 once.I also didnt think they will make it but they had potential.See where they are.The only problem with SK is having Louis Walsh.Once Simon takes over,it will be a different story.Do you think he is stupid to go public on it???
ShAneOmaC2005
06-11-2014
Originally Posted by ucra girl:
“They were not a band that needs to gel together.As long as the potential is there and it was at the chair challenge and wk 3.

Simon mentored Fifth Harmony.They were very good at judges houses but struggled in the first 5 weeks of the live shows.They were bottom 2 once.I also didnt think they will make it but they had potential.See where they are.The only problem with SK is having Louis Walsh.Once Simon takes over,it will be a different story.Do you think he is stupid to go public on it???”

Sorry but your in your own world mate, their chair challenge was absolutlely rubbish, where do people get this "oh they were so great in the chair challenge" is that what you call singing? Your trying to tell me, someone who has been singing for over 20 years that they are good? Listen I only say what I know and boy do I have knowledge when it comes to vocals. What potential? You another victim of the" Cowell's comments brainwash machine" (2014 TM SHANEOMAC) lol look I cant be bothered. Ain't got time for this mate, listen good luck with SK. This convo aint goin nowhere. Your too caught up in well, very little tbh, your passion for them is far greater than my dislike of them, good luck.
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