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Mark Wright - How is he a 'novice' when he attended Sylvia Young stage school?
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spider9
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by Muggsy:
“http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...r-andre-281738

http://www.reveal.co.uk/showbiz-cele...-together.html

http://metro.co.uk/2012/02/02/towies...r-film-305696/

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/tv/s143/...oUAssQ839cgc87”

Thanks for that. I think he was bullshitting personally. I still can't see how he combined 8 years at theatre school with being in Tottenham's youth academy until he was 18.
fatskia
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by mct40:
“Do we know that Scott/Judy/Steve/Thom never danced before? I had no idea that Thom had been in a boy band. Steve studied Theatre Studies at University - he may have taken drama or some sort of performance module during his time there? They all might be closet Am Dram fanatics or pole dancers in their spare time. The fact is it would be rare to find anyone who has never danced or had been taught a dance routine at some time in their life.”

The Degree Steve took was English and Theatre Studies. Exeter University doesn't have that course now but this is an example of the subject from Warwick University.
Seems to me its a course on writing about Theatre.

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/study/unde.../#course-tab-2
Pet Monkey
03-11-2014
There is a youtube video that I'm sure could be dug out where you can see Steve dancing in tribal paint with great naturalness and elegance while enjoying the effects of a hundred or so bullet-ant stings. I don't know if this was before or after he broke his back and ankle though so he may now have lost the skill.
henrywilliams58
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
“There is a youtube video that I'm sure could be dug out where you can see Steve dancing in tribal paint with great naturalness and elegance while enjoying the effects of a hundred or so bullet-ant stings. I don't know if this was before or after he broke his back and ankle though so he may now have lost the skill.”

Thank you Pet. Thank you.
henrywilliams58
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by fatskia:
“The Degree Steve took was English and Theatre Studies. Exeter University doesn't have that course now but this is an example of the subject from Warwick University.
Seems to me its a course on writing about Theatre.

http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/study/unde.../#course-tab-2”

I distrust any degree that has "Studies" in its title.

What's wrong with "English and Theatre"? And why not "English Studies and Theatre Studies"?
fatskia
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by Pet Monkey:
“There is a youtube video that I'm sure could be dug out where you can see Steve dancing in tribal paint with great naturalness and elegance while enjoying the effects of a hundred or so bullet-ant stings. I don't know if this was before or after he broke his back and ankle though so he may now have lost the skill.”

They are called Bullet ants because the sting of one feels the same as being shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VarqiOM4-Fg
Pet Monkey
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“Thank you Pet. Thank you.”

Really? Was that helpful info?
I'm still glad to be thanked and called Pet, mind
MayD
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“I distrust any degree that has "Studies" in its title.

What's wrong with "English and Theatre"? And why not "English Studies and Theatre Studies"?”

That course is the "I'm a treeeeeeeeeeeeeee" version.

As opposed to the French "Je suis une aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarbe" version
*Topaz*
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by dander:
“Don't get me wrong, I can't bear Mark and it pains me to stick up for him, but going to Sylvia Young's kind of could mean anything. Could mean he was there full time five days a week, in which case he's bound to have done a fair whack of dance and he's lying through his teeth pretending to be an absolute beginner. But it could also mean he just went to Saturday classes and those classes might have only have been acting, in which case, fair enough - probably helped him learn how to do all that fake crying though!

But that said to me there's a huge difference between "never danced before" and "never done this kind of dancing before" and I don't personally feel he's being entirely honest, but then I don't like him so i like to believe the worst!

Anna Scher meanwhile, totally different kind of place - that's after school type acting classes. Highly respected, but purely acting.”

Lol - I don't know how you got away with that! Me and another poster got rounded on by Mark fans on another thread for suggesting that his emotional outburst last week wasn't entirely genuine

Thanks for all those who posted their views on this thread - even the ones I don't agree with - I'm glad it remained civil and didn't descend into pointless bickering. I found it an interesting read

I guess there's just a big question mark over what he did at Sylvia Young then - in the interviews he doesn't make clear if he was full time or part time. I think he is most likely to have studied acting there because I read in a Daily Heil interview he wanted to be the next James Bond lol..........I dunno.....I still think the dance 'novice' storyline stinks!
Sherlock_Holmes
03-11-2014
Originally Posted by luigy39:
“Dancing is like learning to ride a bicycle, once you know how to do it you never forget it, and even when you have been trained for years in different styles other than ballroom you have a huge advantage once you get back to it over the average none dancer. Anybody trying to deny this advantage is deluding themselves.”

Was he rude to you backstage or something

Mark's big problem is that he is in the wrong partnership, neither him nor Karen are much loved (in general) and with another pro (ok, except Aliona lol!) he could have softened the blow.

Doubtful that he will do a full Abbey, as Aljaz is much more popular then Karen (which is also part of the reason that in the end Abbey had the edge).
dippydancing
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by Croctacus:
“I was taught ballroom dancing by Lend Goodman when I was a kid and now, 40 years later, were I to take part in SCD. I'd probably be nearly up to the standard of the dancers pretty quick because of it.

When I say dancers, I do actually mean Judy.”

Very good.
nyannie
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by spider9:
“Thanks for that. I think he was bullshitting personally. I still can't see how he combined 8 years at theatre school with being in Tottenham's youth academy until he was 18.”

Me neither - and I guess he hasn't cracked Hollywood yet.

I don't mean Mark any harm but he is a phoney. Any kind of theatre school teaches you movement. For some reason he and Scott are the only two I have really disliked this year.

I usually get annoyed if anyone has had some kind of dance training, but not this year - except for Mark. He needs to tell the truth about what kind of theatre school training he has had. He also needs to stop putting on the waterworks.
Dancing Girl
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by J.R:
“I had no idea Mark had been to stage school, it does alter my opinion slightly but only because he accepted the complements for someone 'who had never danced before'!

I agree ballroom dancing is different, so it is learning a new skill - but they should be honest about previous experience that could be helpful. Scott/Judy/Steve/Thom (Jake?) have never danced before - so that is different to Mark saying he hadn't!! He is not starting from the same point they were.

We have a few celebrities this year who have experience of one a sort or another and it dosn't bother me as long as they are up front and honest about it.”

I get irritated to by all this "Show business" nonsense. If you have ten years training in tab and ballet (which are the dance skills taught in stage schools) you have a HUGE advantage. Look at Frankie, she has had YEARS of ballet training, it is obvious by her beautiful arms and body frame. We get half truths, no doubt Mark would say he has never danced BALLROOM before!! Same with Denise last year, drove me mad the way she was presented to us on SCD as a beginner when she had been in West End musicals.

X factor does the same thing. Remember that young boy who was singing Valarie and asked by Simon to sing another song, amazingly he sang a Michael Jackson number and was fantastic but it turned out he had been in a touring show as Michael Jackson for over six months!!

I really think these TV producers feel they can get away with these stories cos the Great British Public are daft!! Charming.
MayD
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by Dancing Girl:
“I really think these TV producers feel they can get away with these stories cos the Great British Public are daft!! Charming.”

Generally speaking, many of them are. I mean, why else would BB, CBB, TOWIE, Geordie Whore, Made in Fulham, etc etc get the audiences they do if the GBP didn't wan't it. I've also seen teh trailers for the ITV Bee channel. Seriously, W. T. F? Same with those awful magazines. One reaps what one sows

Rant over

And relaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaax
FingersAndToes
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by Sherlock_Holmes:
“Was he rude to you backstage or something

Mark's big problem is that he is in the wrong partnership, neither him nor Karen are much loved (in general) and with another pro (ok, except Aliona lol!) he could have softened the blow.

Doubtful that he will do a full Abbey, as Aljaz is much more popular then Karen (which is also part of the reason that in the end Abbey had the edge).”

I'm actually really interested in hearing how people know which pros are popular and which aren't. I haven't really seen anything negative about any if them in the press, but I might have missed something.
mimi dlc
04-11-2014
oops. wrong thread!
DeltaBlues
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by FingersAndToes:
“I'm actually really interested in hearing how people know which pros are popular and which aren't. I haven't really seen anything negative about any if them in the press, but I might have missed something.”

I think some of the perceived Karen dislike is because she was reported as having been rude to Ola backstage last season. I can't remember the details but I know there was some palaver about it on here at the time.
Walter Neff
04-11-2014
Despite all the anti Mark posts, he is still the second most popular dancer in the Forum poll, and 55 votes ahead of Jake.

So I guess someone apart from me must have voted for him.
FingersAndToes
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by DeltaBlues:
“I think some of the perceived Karen dislike is because she was reported as having been rude to Ola backstage last season. I can't remember the details but I know there was some palaver about it on here at the time.”

Oh, ok. I read about that. IMO the public shouldn't have known anything about it, leaking it to the press crossed the 'fourth wall' a bit. Every job has some arguments between employees, and as I understood it was handled by the bosses. The press and public need to be left out of it.
Muggsy
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by Walter Neff:
“Despite all the anti Mark posts, he is still the second most popular dancer in the Forum poll, and 55 votes ahead of Jake.

So I guess someone apart from me must have voted for him. ”

What makes you think pointing out anomalies between his current story and the story he gave to the press are anti Mark posts?
Nigel_Bourne
04-11-2014
Attending Theatre School does NOT mean that one is a trained ballroom dancer. You will notice that there is no mention at all of Ballroom or Latin in their dance curriculum. "http://www.syts.co.uk/page/?title=Dance&pid=65"
aggs
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by DeltaBlues:
“I think some of the perceived Karen dislike is because she was reported as having been rude to Ola backstage last season. I can't remember the details but I know there was some palaver about it on here at the time.”

She might also do well just to dial down the ... enthusiasm ... when being called safe a notch. Or two. Couple of people I know just commented that it seemed a bit ungracious when others are still waiting to hear. There's a difference between being relived and, well, that
*Topaz*
04-11-2014
Deleted - posted twice
*Topaz*
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by Nigel_Bourne:
“Attending Theatre School does NOT mean that one is a trained ballroom dancer. You will notice that there is no mention at all of Ballroom or Latin in their dance curriculum. "http://www.syts.co.uk/page/?title=Dance&pid=65"”

As far as I know nobody has suggested it has - what some of us are saying is if he attended Sylvia Young school full time then he would have had to attend dance classes and therefore he can hardly be called a dance 'novice'. Training in dance whatever genre will give you skills that you can use for other genres.
Muggsy
04-11-2014
Originally Posted by Nigel_Bourne:
“Attending Theatre School does NOT mean that one is a trained ballroom dancer. You will notice that there is no mention at all of Ballroom or Latin in their dance curriculum. "http://www.syts.co.uk/page/?title=Dance&pid=65"”

But Bruno stated in the Sunday results show that "this guy has never danced before", not that he's not a trained ballroom dancer.
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