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Android 5.0 update
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finbaar
21-11-2014
Originally Posted by jonner101:
“True,

but I think in general they are to some extent ( both Apple and Google ) using the general public to do the 'beta' testing. If I were a general user I think it's worth waiting a few months for all the inevitable patches.

There is no way the bug I found should have made it's way into production IMO.

The worst case was the Apple release which actually stopped the phone working as a phone. That was possibly the worst cock up I've ever seen in an OS release.”

Google software is never really finished. It’s not really “beta” testing but it is pretty close. This is one of the main reasons for pushing out updates to devices in stages. They can stop big problems – like losing all data connectivity – in a controlled manner.
Apple has the confidence to let everyone have the update. The problem with that approach is that when you release a bag of shite like 8.0.1 you can screw up lots phones.

If anyone one wants a phone on the bleeding edge of updates then you have to accept that problems will happen. None of the issues with 5.0, other than the N7 2012, are in anyway serious. The good thing about all of the Nexus devices is that even most of the people who post in the DS Mobile forums would have the technical nouce to be able to flash a factory image of an earlier version if they so wish.
jonner101
21-11-2014
Originally Posted by Daveoc64:
“This is very important to note.

The problem does not exist in Android 5.0, it exists in an Application that some users may be using.”

Yes just in the launcher. I would expect the core OS to be extremely stable. I haven't found any other obvious bugs in any of the apps I've actually used yet

My final say on the subject to those who say it's obscure, 2 of us in our office took less than 2 days to find this bug independently. Its pretty common task to add a widget, and I'd say fairly common to tap the back button more than once as you often want to get back more than one screen.

A quick look at XDA, it does seem, the launcher app is quite buggy so I'll imagine it will be undated very soon anyway.
jonner101
21-11-2014
Originally Posted by finbaar:
“Google software is never really finished. It’s not really “beta” testing but it is pretty close. This is one of the main reasons for pushing out updates to devices in stages. They can stop big problems – like losing all data connectivity – in a controlled manner.
Apple has the confidence to let everyone have the update. The problem with that approach is that when you release a bag of shite like 8.0.1 you can screw up lots phones.

If anyone one wants a phone on the bleeding edge of updates then you have to accept that problems will happen. None of the issues with 5.0, other than the N7 2012, are in anyway serious. The good thing about all of the Nexus devices is that even most of the people who post in the DS Mobile forums would have the technical nouce to be able to flash a factory image of an earlier version if they so wish.”

The original premise of the Nexus brand was that they were developers phones, but i think this has moved more toward the consumer with the Nexus 7 especially. The staged OTA is very good idea.

Anyhow i agree none of the issues are critical, i guess with the online world and updates/fixes being available so quickly the distinction between beta and production ready can be blurred a little so the techies can get their hands on the new OS quicker and maybe normal non techie users just need to wait a while for all the glitches to be ironed out.
mossy2103
21-11-2014
Originally Posted by finbaar:
“Google software is never really finished. It’s not really “beta” testing but it is pretty close. This is one of the main reasons for pushing out updates to devices in stages. They can stop big problems – like losing all data connectivity – in a controlled manner.”

It is simply a very logical and intelligent release strategy - many organisations practice it, especially with mission-critical systems. Far better to have limited (and controlled) releases than a big bang approach. Plus, in the case of updates that come over the internet, it reduces the strain on the servers.

Quote:
“Apple has the confidence to let everyone have the update. The problem with that approach is that when you release a bag of shite like 8.0.1 you can screw up lots phones.”

And that is precisely why big bang releases are fraught with risk.
WelshBluebird
21-11-2014
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“It is simply a very logical and intelligent release strategy - many organisations practice it, especially with mission-critical systems. Far better to have limited (and controlled) releases than a big bang approach. Plus, in the case of updates that come over the internet, it reduces the strain on the servers..”

Indeed even with websites you will see it quite often where new parts of the site / functionality will only be made available to some users.
TheVoid
21-11-2014
I often use the Google search bar to look online on my phone. I'll search for a site and when I select it, the screen goes white as though it's loading but nothing happens. I then click back and select the site link again and it works.

Any idea how to resolve this as it's getting more frequent now. Thanks
jonmorris
21-11-2014
It happens to me, on multiple devices. Not a lot you can do I suspect.
TheVoid
21-11-2014
I'm going to try and flash back to KitKat. Hate lollipop, it's laggy, I have the above browser issue, no proper silent mode.
chenks
21-11-2014
Originally Posted by TheVoid:
“I'm going to try and flash back to KitKat. Hate lollipop, it's laggy, I have the above browser issue, no proper silent mode.”

on a Nexus 5?
mine is not laggy in any way.
TheVoid
21-11-2014
It just feels slower at loading apps and stuff.
Stiggles
22-11-2014
Its fine on my G3. Boots very fast, runs like shit off a shovel, and loading apps is faster than on KitKat.
c4rv
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by The Sack:
“it appeared on my wifes N4 while she was at work, by the time she had come home and asked me to sort it out the update notification had vanished and its not been back since.”

If she had the notification then you should be able to go into settings and check for updates to start the update process, that's what I ended up doing.
c4rv
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“Still nothing on my N4 or n7 here, suits me, certainly going by the amount of problems people seems to be getting.”

4th day now with it on my N4 and just a couple of minor issues but on the whole much better overall.
noise747
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by c4rv:
“4th day now with it on my N4 and just a couple of minor issues but on the whole much better overall.”

even minor issues is a problem.
Still nothing here, maybe decided not to give me the update
noise747
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Remember that generally, people will report problems, but won't report successes. So what you are seeing is very likely to be skewed heavily in favour of those with problems.”

So many people are not happy with it that it even got onto the BBC news web site.

Umm.
mossy2103
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“So many people are not happy with it that it even got onto the BBC news web site.

Umm.”

"So many ...." out of how many in total I wonder. The report mentions

"dozens of messages"

"Some apps won't work and some crash"

"Reports elsewhere suggest some users are experiencing problems with text messages, the way contacts are managed, and wi-fi connectivity."


And I then wonder how many of these people are complaining about problems with certain apps (that have nothing to do with Lollipop directly, specifically Adobe Air-based apps):

"Several Android Lollipop users have also highlighted compatibility problems with Air-based apps."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-30116319

Umm.
Thine Wonk
22-11-2014
Still no update on my Nexus 7, I wonder if they've halted it because of the issues as they said it would take about a week to go out to all devices in the articles and it has been a week.

Not that I'm overly fussed, it would be nice to see what people are talking about first hand and try out the new notifications etc.
mossy2103
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“Still no update on my Nexus 7, I wonder if they've halted it because of the issues as they said it would take about a week to go out to all devices in the articles and it has been a week.

Not that I'm overly fussed, it would be nice to see what people are talking about first hand and try out the new notifications etc.”

Nowt on my N4 - more than likely we are not in the initial wave of devices (the last major update it took nearly two weeks for my N4 to get it, and three for my wife's)
charger21
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Nowt on my N4 - more than likely we are not in the initial wave of devices (the last major update it took nearly two weeks for my N4 to get it, and three for my wife's)”

I got it at start of the week on my N4. Not my N7 though
c4rv
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“even minor issues is a problem.
Still nothing here, maybe decided not to give me the update ”

lets put it this way, there are more fixes for minor issues than new minor issues. So overall few issues. If you don't want to upgrade (which is sounds like you have made up your mind) then you don't have to.
clm2071
22-11-2014
Got it on my Nexus 7 a couple of days ago. Its now so laggy and unresponsive as to be virtually unusable.
mossy2103
22-11-2014
Sure it's not a background app that's not playing nicely and needs to be addressed by the app developer?
Matt35
22-11-2014
Don't know if its anything to do with the update but amazon kindle app on my nexus 5 doesnt work. It comes up but instead of seeing the book im reading all I see white.
clm2071
22-11-2014
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Sure it's not a background app that's not playing nicely and needs to be addressed by the app developer?”

Its only happened since the post 5.0 update restart, I suppose it could be an app but its a bit of a coincidence
big brother 9
22-11-2014
Has anyone had an over the air update through EE on the s5 yet?
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