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Android 5.0 update
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jonmorris
15-11-2014
Keeping a device unlocked if near an approved device is awesome. My Z3 has it even with KitKat, so if my Pebble is within range (on my wrist) then no unlocking screen for me.

A great feature, albeit not a new invention for Lollipop.
neo_wales
15-11-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“this is the problem with other phone manufactures bulking up Android and stickign their own crap on it, this is why some of the phones like Samsungs who should run nice and fast are like snails.
So is this two part lock thing a problem with vanilla Android 5?”

My S5 flies like snot off a hot shovel.
noise747
15-11-2014
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“You cannot change back to Dalvik.

The way apps are compiled from here on will make them incompatible with Dalvik as the compilation process is different.”

So if the apps are incompatible with Dalvik, how will they work with phones and tablets that can not be updated to Android 5? I somehow think you are wrong that apps will not work with Dalvik.
You could be right about Android 5 not being able to be changed from Art to Dalvik. I may have a look into it.

Just had a quick look around and found out that Oracle is not happy with Google using Dalvik, something to do with it being linked with Java and that it is all going to court and Oracle looks like they are going to win. If that is the case then I can understand why Dalvik will not be available in lollipop.
pi r squared
15-11-2014
I think Gigabit means that the way apps are compiled on Lollipop devices will make them incompatible with Dalvik from now on - not that every app is incompatible with Dalvik full stop.
Gigabit
15-11-2014
That is what I meant

I am not sure if the Play Store will serve up the Dalvik-compiled versions of apps for older devices not running Lollipop. I assume developers will continue to develop for both, at least for now. But new apps I suspect will be compiled only for ART.

BTW, the difference is that ART compilation is "ahead-of-time" whereas Dalvik was/is "just-in-time". Apps are "made to work" when they are installed, rather than as they are ran.
Stiggles
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“So if the apps are incompatible with Dalvik, how will they work with phones and tablets that can not be updated to Android 5? I somehow think you are wrong that apps will not work with Dalvik.
You could be right about Android 5 not being able to be changed from Art to Dalvik. I may have a look into it.

Just had a quick look around and found out that Oracle is not happy with Google using Dalvik, something to do with it being linked with Java and that it is all going to court and Oracle looks like they are going to win. If that is the case then I can understand why Dalvik will not be available in lollipop.”

It's nothing to do with Oracle that Dalvik isn't in Lollipop. It's to do with Dalvik being old and ART is much faster. Among other things.
jonmorris
16-11-2014
ART is a big improvement and I can't remember the last time I had problems with an app. The speed increase for starting an app should really help all those iOS vs Android tests that just start up loads of apps and time it.

Some tests are rather stupid in how quick apps are loaded, but it does still give an idea of how it will improve normal usage.

Still, my N5 was always fast and seemed more nimble compared to a range of other devices with Snapdragon 801 or 800 at a higher clock speed.
slattery69
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“Priority interruptions works perfectly for me - if a non-starred contact texts or calls, it does still come through but doesn't make a noise or wake the phone, so doesn't disturb. Are you saying that yours still sounds the notification sound? That sounds like something has gone wrong.
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yes it does still sound but I've worked out its textra (sms app) thats over riding it for some reason, so ill see if it gets an update
pi r squared
16-11-2014
Within Settings > Sound & Notifications > App Settings, double check if textra is marked as 'priority'. If it isn't, but notifications are still coming through, then you've found a bug which may be worth reporting.
slattery69
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“Within Settings > Sound & Notifications > App Settings, double check if textra is marked as 'priority'. If it isn't, but notifications are still coming through, then you've found a bug which may be worth reporting.”


Thanks ,yes I'd checked that and the app wasn't set to priority so emailed the delevoper to report it . till them I'll just keep using the third party app
noise747
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“I think Gigabit means that the way apps are compiled on Lollipop devices will make them incompatible with Dalvik from now on - not that every app is incompatible with Dalvik full stop.”

But that would be stupid, still a lot of Android phones out using old version of Android, so you are saying that any new app updates will not be able to run on these phones?

Many of these phones can not or will not be updated.
noise747
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“It's nothing to do with Oracle that Dalvik isn't in Lollipop. It's to do with Dalvik being old and ART is much faster. Among other things.”

And you say I do not read stuff, maybe you should do some research as well. no doubt you are correct about Art being faster and why it is in Lollipop, but i bet Oracle taking them to court moved it along a bit quicker.

Oh yes, just to inform you, the Halifax app still do not work with Art, it have not been fixed.
i changed my tablet to ARt leasrly hours of this morning as I I woke up and could nto get back to sleep and the Halifax app crashed with a message about it stopped working. I uninstalled it, tried to reinstall and got another message, in this photo.

Anyway, i had a look at the info in the app store about the Halifax app and it says it do not work with ART. Not android fault, but it shows that some apps will still have problems with Android 5. Photo here to prove it
jonmorris
16-11-2014
Ask your bank what it has been doing for the best part of a year then! ART isn't exactly new.
finbaar
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“And you say I do not read stuff, maybe you should do some research as well. no doubt you are correct about Art being faster and why it is in Lollipop, but i bet Oracle taking them to court moved it along a bit quicker.

Oh yes, just to inform you, the Halifax app still do not work with Art, it have not been fixed.
i changed my tablet to ARt leasrly hours of this morning as I I woke up and could nto get back to sleep and the Halifax app crashed with a message about it stopped working. I uninstalled it, tried to reinstall and got another message, in this photo.

Anyway, i had a look at the info in the app store about the Halifax app and it says it do not work with ART. Not android fault, but it shows that some apps will still have problems with Android 5. Photo here to prove it”

Are you being deliberately obtuse? The ART in 5.0 is not the same run time that was available as a DEVELOPER option in 4.4. The run time in 5.0 will also be compatible with Davlvik as well as being built for Android.

Why is there all this ignorance in this thread? It is like listening to a bunch of old men getting there knickers in a twist because they just don't understand the modern world. So you don't understand, we don't need to see that ignorance though.
The Sack
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“I assume the aspect of Skiplock you're referring to specifically is keeping the phone unlocked via Wi-Fi, since Skiplock's 'unlock via Bluetooth' functionality is replicated in "Smart Lock" (which, by the way, is pretty awesome). At I/O it was suggested that Smart Lock would also work for Wi-Fi, so it seems odd that this functionality hasn't made it into the final build. I would imagine a Skiplock update may bring this back, however.”

No point now as i have done a factory reset and encrypted the phone so skiplock will never work again for me even if Ben fixes it for Lollipop.
Stiggles
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by noise747:
“And you say I do not read stuff, maybe you should do some research as well. no doubt you are correct about Art being faster and why it is in Lollipop, but i bet Oracle taking them to court moved it along a bit quicker.”

I need to learn more? Ok smartarse, tell me, how long ART has been in development? It's got nothing to do with Oracle. Its to do with many reasons, Dalvik is less efficient than ART. Art is much faster.

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“Oh yes, just to inform you, the Halifax app still do not work with Art, it have not been fixed.
i changed my tablet to ARt leasrly hours of this morning as I I woke up and could nto get back to sleep and the Halifax app crashed with a message about it stopped working. I uninstalled it, tried to reinstall and got another message, in this photo.

Anyway, i had a look at the info in the app store about the Halifax app and it says it do not work with ART. Not android fault, but it shows that some apps will still have problems with Android 5. Photo here to prove it”

That's odd since it worked for me long enough! Anyway, so you admit its not androids fault which is a good start.

Now, you just need to apply that normality to every other aspect of your daft arguments.
johnathome
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Ask your bank what it has been doing for the best part of a year then! ART isn't exactly new.”

But up until Lollipop ART had to be switched on in the options, it's standard now.

They probably didn't bother because of that?
Thine Wonk
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“I need to learn more? Ok smartarse, tell me, how long ART has been in development? It's got nothing to do with Oracle. Its to do with many reasons, Dalvik is less efficient than ART. Art is much faster.



That's odd since it worked for me long enough! Anyway, so you admit its not androids fault which is a good start.

Now, you just need to apply that normality to every other aspect of your daft arguments.”

It doesn't say it doesn't run, it says you'll have issues updating the package and to disable it, then update to the latest version then you're fine.

The error Noise posted is indeed showing an invalid package error, so that's all it is. It looks like following the update instructions is all you need to do, then the problem is gone away.
late8
16-11-2014
Nexus 4 is nice on 5.0 after a full flash.


My only gripe is all the effort to colour the status bar for better integration and looks, and yet the navigation bar still remains Black in apps!

Also on ART runtime, the Halifax app wont work and they are taking their time to fix it!
Thine Wonk
16-11-2014
I'm waiting for it to arrive on my 2013 wifi nexus 7. I have been checking every day, but no update yet.

I read that it could be up to a week?
chenks
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by pi r squared:
“On one hand you could argue this, yes. On the other hand, you could equally argue that having an alarm sound in spite of the mode of the phone defeats the purpose of putting the phone on silent in the first place. If you put the phone into "NONE" mode, it does say in clear red writing "not even alarms", so I don't imagine people will be accidentally missing alarms left, right and centre.”

but i want the functionality that 4.x had.
ie i want to silence all notifications but still have my alarm to work that wakes me up in the morning. i don't want my phone to vibrate or make a noise during the night, but i still want my alarm to work regardless of the mode the phone is in for app notifications.

so how does one achieve this now?
slattery69
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“I'm waiting for it to arrive on my 2013 wifi nexus 7. I have been checking every day, but no update yet.

I read that it could be up to a week?”

i got sick of waiting so side loaded, its fairly easy to do and takes around ten mins
slattery69
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by chenks:
“but i want the functionality that 4.x had.
ie i want to silence all notifications but still have my alarm to work that wakes me up in the morning. i don't want my phone to vibrate or make a noise during the night, but i still want my alarm to work regardless of the mode the phone is in for app notifications.

so how does one achieve this now?”

Just get an app something like nights keeper its free and does what you ask
chenks
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by slattery69:
“Just get an app something like nights keeper its free and does what you ask”

so third party apps to restore a previous built-in function.
no thanks!

personally i'm no fan of this new notification system anyway.
i preferred them to be in the menu bar at the top, not filling up the screen with white boxes.
pi r squared
16-11-2014
Originally Posted by chenks:
“so how does one achieve this now?”

If it were me I would set priority interruptions mode and just uncheck the three options - events and reminders, calls, and messages. So long as no other app has priority notification status, nothing will disturb you apart from the alarm.

However, I would have thought that most people would have a certain very small shortlist of numbers that they would want to disturb them overnight. Certainly my very close family members would be on this list; if one of them are phoning in the middle of the night then it's something worth interrupting my sleep for and not picking up that missed call until the following morning isn't something I'd really want to consider.
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