Please would some kind person tell me what a ringer (or ringah) is? I have a rough idea from the context in which it is mentioned, but I can't see the derivation. Thank you.
What is a ringer?
I believe originally it meant entering a substitute in a race who posed as somebody else, eg entering Usain Bolt as Nigel Spratt's dad in the fathers' race at the school sports.
Wiki:
ringer
Horse racing: An impostor, especially one who misrepresents his or her identity or ability in order to gain an advantage in a competition. In horse racing, when a fast horse was substituted for a slower one that it resembled (a "ring-in"), the term now applies to any athlete entered in a team competition under false pretenses in order to gain a competitive advantage by strengthening the team.
ringer
Horse racing: An impostor, especially one who misrepresents his or her identity or ability in order to gain an advantage in a competition. In horse racing, when a fast horse was substituted for a slower one that it resembled (a "ring-in"), the term now applies to any athlete entered in a team competition under false pretenses in order to gain a competitive advantage by strengthening the team.
Originally Posted by Muggsy:
“I believe originally it meant entering a substitute in race who posed as somebody else, eg entering Usain Bolt as Nigel Spratt's dad in the fathers' race at the school sports.”
“I believe originally it meant entering a substitute in race who posed as somebody else, eg entering Usain Bolt as Nigel Spratt's dad in the fathers' race at the school sports.”
Nicely put.
It has come to mean someone who pretends to be less able at a skill, when they are quite proficient
Originally Posted by Gaz112:
“It means "someone I don't like who is good at dancing".”
“It means "someone I don't like who is good at dancing".”
Well, that certainly fits the dictionary as known on DS
Thank you all. Now I know. I'd always thought that when someone was described as a "dead ringer" for someone else, it meant a startling resemblance - hence my previous confusion.
In the context of 'Strictly' it seems to be applied to contestants who have had some form of dance training (which is usually glossed over or kept hidden). Many you will find went to stage school or did ballet to a certain grade. I remember Denise Van Outen getting stick as she had actually danced in West End shows.
Originally Posted by Gaz112:
“It means "someone I don't like who is good at dancing".”
“It means "someone I don't like who is good at dancing".”
Especially if a picture can be found of them dancing at a wedding twenty years ago to 'prove' they have previous experience.
Originally Posted by Gaz112:
“It means "someone I don't like who is good at dancing".”
“It means "someone I don't like who is good at dancing".”
......'and is a threat to my favourite' ( who is probably also a ringer, but less of a ringer than the one they've taken against, in their opinion )
To me there are different types of ringer annd they are:-
Dance Ringer
These are people selected by the producers to be there to raise the quality of the dancing that series and to be contenders from the get go. There are many levels to the most classic form of ringer These are also there to raise the 10/40 quota
Level 0 Nothing
Level 1 These are the lowest form of ringer these are people who have had some level of stage scool education or a moths ballet training when a person was 4/5
Level 2 These are what most singers are these are ringers that have had to deal with choreography sessions for music videos or concerts. This tends to contain a bit of street/hiphop/contemporary style
Level 3 These are ringers who have had a lot of training eg Ballet till 12, cheerleading when 15-18 or have competed in minor dance contests
Level 4 This in paraphrase is known on DS as doing a Natalie Gumede These people have trained to primarily/secondary to be a dancer, these have done ballet, tap, jazz and street dance or have competed in previous dance contests eg Caroline Flack doing and winning Dancing on Wheels
Popularity Ringer
These are people who have been selected by producers because they are popular with the public so gain high voting revenue due to being well known or call me a conspiracist to gain huge voting numbers to elevate celebs off the bottom of the leaderboard (Ann, Judy etc) Come on you think the producers don't love all the money they get from the public voting in their droves to see duffers in week after week. These ringers are also rating cash cows so are there to gain programm viewership/column inches/website hits/youtube views eg Jake's salsa having 1/2 a million views
Level 0 Not popular at all
Level 1 These people have neiche popularity maybe they are from a obscure TV show or partake in an obscure sport or have a small but cult following or tabloid stars or to an extent a popular politician
Level 2 These tend to be in a popular tv show but are not one of the main characters ore present a tv show where they are mearly a reporter or a co star
Level 3 These people are presenters of popular tv shows, main stays on tv, have 500K or more Twitter followers and in certain demographics are popular based on you tube subs or views such as Bethany Mota on DWTS
Level 4 These are acclaimed celebs have huge twitter followers main presenters on main tv shows, acclaimed sport stars adored by many or main characters on tv shows ore are singers with sucess like 3 or more number ones common entraints into the top 10 or have radio shows with huge listener ratings like Scott for instance
The third type of ringer is a type that might 75% assure you of the mirror ball trophy and they are called Duel Aspect Ringers, DARs are a mix of both dance ringers and popularity ringers such as Caroline or Franke and Possibly Pixie and I would Add Jake to that and Mark(twitter followers) and contain celbs like Kara and Alesha in the past
I hope you enjoyed reading
Dance Ringer
These are people selected by the producers to be there to raise the quality of the dancing that series and to be contenders from the get go. There are many levels to the most classic form of ringer These are also there to raise the 10/40 quota
Level 0 Nothing
Level 1 These are the lowest form of ringer these are people who have had some level of stage scool education or a moths ballet training when a person was 4/5
Level 2 These are what most singers are these are ringers that have had to deal with choreography sessions for music videos or concerts. This tends to contain a bit of street/hiphop/contemporary style
Level 3 These are ringers who have had a lot of training eg Ballet till 12, cheerleading when 15-18 or have competed in minor dance contests
Level 4 This in paraphrase is known on DS as doing a Natalie Gumede These people have trained to primarily/secondary to be a dancer, these have done ballet, tap, jazz and street dance or have competed in previous dance contests eg Caroline Flack doing and winning Dancing on Wheels
Popularity Ringer
These are people who have been selected by producers because they are popular with the public so gain high voting revenue due to being well known or call me a conspiracist to gain huge voting numbers to elevate celebs off the bottom of the leaderboard (Ann, Judy etc) Come on you think the producers don't love all the money they get from the public voting in their droves to see duffers in week after week. These ringers are also rating cash cows so are there to gain programm viewership/column inches/website hits/youtube views eg Jake's salsa having 1/2 a million views
Level 0 Not popular at all
Level 1 These people have neiche popularity maybe they are from a obscure TV show or partake in an obscure sport or have a small but cult following or tabloid stars or to an extent a popular politician
Level 2 These tend to be in a popular tv show but are not one of the main characters ore present a tv show where they are mearly a reporter or a co star
Level 3 These people are presenters of popular tv shows, main stays on tv, have 500K or more Twitter followers and in certain demographics are popular based on you tube subs or views such as Bethany Mota on DWTS
Level 4 These are acclaimed celebs have huge twitter followers main presenters on main tv shows, acclaimed sport stars adored by many or main characters on tv shows ore are singers with sucess like 3 or more number ones common entraints into the top 10 or have radio shows with huge listener ratings like Scott for instance
The third type of ringer is a type that might 75% assure you of the mirror ball trophy and they are called Duel Aspect Ringers, DARs are a mix of both dance ringers and popularity ringers such as Caroline or Franke and Possibly Pixie and I would Add Jake to that and Mark(twitter followers) and contain celbs like Kara and Alesha in the past
I hope you enjoyed reading
In the context of Strictly I wouldn't say the duplicity involved in being a ringah is necessarily down to the contestants. Strictly is meant to be a programme about celebs learning a new skill but for obvious reasons the producers want to make sure there are some capable of producing 'wow' routines. When casting the celebs the production team obviously do their research and they also audition all the celebs to test their abilities. I think it is mainly the producers who like the celebs to play down previous training because it makes for a better story arc on the show.
Originally Posted by Rosegrower:
“Please would some kind person tell me what a ringer (or ringah) is? I have a rough idea from the context in which it is mentioned, but I can't see the derivation. Thank you.”
“Please would some kind person tell me what a ringer (or ringah) is? I have a rough idea from the context in which it is mentioned, but I can't see the derivation. Thank you.”
A word that gets thrown about too often on these forums by those who think they know it all.
Originally Posted by soulboy77:
“In the context of 'Strictly' it seems to be applied to contestants who have had some form of dance training (which is usually glossed over or kept hidden). Many you will find went to stage school or did ballet to a certain grade. I remember Denise Van Outen getting stick as she had actually danced in West End shows.”
“In the context of 'Strictly' it seems to be applied to contestants who have had some form of dance training (which is usually glossed over or kept hidden). Many you will find went to stage school or did ballet to a certain grade. I remember Denise Van Outen getting stick as she had actually danced in West End shows.”
Don't think DVO got stick for having danced in West End shows, so much as for claiming she only ever "sat on a chair"!
Originally Posted by thengp12:
“To me there are different types of ringer annd they are:-
Dance Ringer
These are people selected by the producers to be there to raise the quality of the dancing that series and to be contenders from the get go. There are many levels to the most classic form of ringer These are also there to raise the 10/40 quota
Level 0 Nothing
Level 1 These are the lowest form of ringer these are people who have had some level of stage scool education or a moths ballet training when a person was 4/5
Level 2 These are what most singers are these are ringers that have had to deal with choreography sessions for music videos or concerts. This tends to contain a bit of street/hiphop/contemporary style
Level 3 These are ringers who have had a lot of training eg Ballet till 12, cheerleading when 15-18 or have competed in minor dance contests
Level 4 This in paraphrase is known on DS as doing a Natalie Gumede These people have trained to primarily/secondary to be a dancer, these have done ballet, tap, jazz and street dance or have competed in previous dance contests eg Caroline Flack doing and winning Dancing on Wheels
Popularity Ringer
These are people who have been selected by producers because they are popular with the public so gain high voting revenue due to being well known or call me a conspiracist to gain huge voting numbers to elevate celebs off the bottom of the leaderboard (Ann, Judy etc) Come on you think the producers don't love all the money they get from the public voting in their droves to see duffers in week after week. These ringers are also rating cash cows so are there to gain programm viewership/column inches/website hits/youtube views eg Jake's salsa having 1/2 a million views
Level 0 Not popular at all
Level 1 These people have neiche popularity maybe they are from a obscure TV show or partake in an obscure sport or have a small but cult following or tabloid stars or to an extent a popular politician
Level 2 These tend to be in a popular tv show but are not one of the main characters ore present a tv show where they are mearly a reporter or a co star
Level 3 These people are presenters of popular tv shows, main stays on tv, have 500K or more Twitter followers and in certain demographics are popular based on you tube subs or views such as Bethany Mota on DWTS
Level 4 These are acclaimed celebs have huge twitter followers main presenters on main tv shows, acclaimed sport stars adored by many or main characters on tv shows ore are singers with sucess like 3 or more number ones common entraints into the top 10 or have radio shows with huge listener ratings like Scott for instance
The third type of ringer is a type that might 75% assure you of the mirror ball trophy and they are called Duel Aspect Ringers, DARs are a mix of both dance ringers and popularity ringers such as Caroline or Franke and Possibly Pixie and I would Add Jake to that and Mark(twitter followers) and contain
like Kara and Alesha in the past
I hope you enjoyed reading”
“To me there are different types of ringer annd they are:-
Dance Ringer
These are people selected by the producers to be there to raise the quality of the dancing that series and to be contenders from the get go. There are many levels to the most classic form of ringer These are also there to raise the 10/40 quota
Level 0 Nothing
Level 1 These are the lowest form of ringer these are people who have had some level of stage scool education or a moths ballet training when a person was 4/5
Level 2 These are what most singers are these are ringers that have had to deal with choreography sessions for music videos or concerts. This tends to contain a bit of street/hiphop/contemporary style
Level 3 These are ringers who have had a lot of training eg Ballet till 12, cheerleading when 15-18 or have competed in minor dance contests
Level 4 This in paraphrase is known on DS as doing a Natalie Gumede These people have trained to primarily/secondary to be a dancer, these have done ballet, tap, jazz and street dance or have competed in previous dance contests eg Caroline Flack doing and winning Dancing on Wheels
Popularity Ringer
These are people who have been selected by producers because they are popular with the public so gain high voting revenue due to being well known or call me a conspiracist to gain huge voting numbers to elevate celebs off the bottom of the leaderboard (Ann, Judy etc) Come on you think the producers don't love all the money they get from the public voting in their droves to see duffers in week after week. These ringers are also rating cash cows so are there to gain programm viewership/column inches/website hits/youtube views eg Jake's salsa having 1/2 a million views
Level 0 Not popular at all
Level 1 These people have neiche popularity maybe they are from a obscure TV show or partake in an obscure sport or have a small but cult following or tabloid stars or to an extent a popular politician
Level 2 These tend to be in a popular tv show but are not one of the main characters ore present a tv show where they are mearly a reporter or a co star
Level 3 These people are presenters of popular tv shows, main stays on tv, have 500K or more Twitter followers and in certain demographics are popular based on you tube subs or views such as Bethany Mota on DWTS
Level 4 These are acclaimed celebs have huge twitter followers main presenters on main tv shows, acclaimed sport stars adored by many or main characters on tv shows ore are singers with sucess like 3 or more number ones common entraints into the top 10 or have radio shows with huge listener ratings like Scott for instance
The third type of ringer is a type that might 75% assure you of the mirror ball trophy and they are called Duel Aspect Ringers, DARs are a mix of both dance ringers and popularity ringers such as Caroline or Franke and Possibly Pixie and I would Add Jake to that and Mark(twitter followers) and contain
like Kara and Alesha in the past
I hope you enjoyed reading”
I am impressed. Thank you for such a full response.
Originally Posted by Rosegrower:
“Thank you all. Now I know. I'd always thought that when someone was described as a "dead ringer" for someone else, it meant a startling resemblance - hence my previous confusion.”
“Thank you all. Now I know. I'd always thought that when someone was described as a "dead ringer" for someone else, it meant a startling resemblance - hence my previous confusion.”
In the horse racing world the horse does need to bear a startling resemblance for the trick to work - no use substituting a dapple grey for a dark bay with one white sock.
