Couldn't agree more.

My device works fine as it is.

I think you are a bit confused 5.1 doesnt even exist. I am not sure who you mean by they, but until it appears on the stock Android page its just people speculating.



You would be wrong there - Nexus images are buggy for quite a bit after release. Being the first to the latest version of Android has its advantages and disadvantages. If you are not technical, my advice remains dont take the first version of any update from any vendor until it has been properly tested in the wild.

Android Lollipop 5.0.1 update received OTA on my Nexus 7 2013 Wi-Fi no problems at all. Even BBC iPlayer is playing saved downloads OK with no stuttering.

It's a good update.

How can I be confused ? What, precisely, is there to be confused about ? I posted a link which indicated that we would be moving onto 5.2, which seems perfectly plausible to me, given the problems with 5.0 et al. I never stated it was a certainty.

I think you are indulging in deliberate pedantry.


That would be my advice too, but what has that statement got to do with the line of mine you emboldened, viz: "most of whom are not technically savvy" and your initial response of "You would be wrong there"?

Are you in fact saying that the majority of users are technically savvy ?

"NOTE: You cannot downgrade to a previous software version after installing this update."
https://motorola-global-portal.custh...il/a_id/102639

So the Moto G Gen 2 update is looking one to avoid, at least until you have investigated whether other options like Cyagenmod will still install, and do work suitably.


I really see the 'no going back' as an anti user sabotage type thing.

The version you link to doesnt exist it is speculation Pedantry perhaps but we can all make up revision numbers to Android. The current version is 5.0.2 which is a revision for the Nexus 7 (2012) which is nowhere near the 5.1 or 5.2 you posted.


Two sentences communicating two ideas.
1. You would be wrong regarding bricking - there is a in depth discussion on XDA regarding the validity of stock images provided by Google and the chance of damaging your tablet when updating via OTA or fastboot methods.
2. Early adopters in general are tech savvy - given the inherent risk in any update. The Nexus programme is a reference platform, you would expect some bugs/defects for the early revisions. Things normally settle down once the updates have rolled out to the wider populous.

Pretty much the same with any software release, let the brave do the initial testing.

went back to 4.4 (after a lot of messing about) for the 1st time since I got my Nexus (2012) I was unhappy with it. L should not have been released until Google fixed the major bugs.

Android L v 5.0 was speculation for many months before that was released. It didn't stop people talking about it as a near certain reality, which it eventually became. Given the problems with 5.0 and the subsequent half hearted attempts to rectify, it's a perfectly reasonable assumption that there will be more versions released until the issues are fixed.



You'd better take that up with the guy earlier in this thread who told us that was what his tablet had been turned into - link to post.


"Early adopters" ? - I'm not sure that phrase can meaningfully apply to the hordes who have bought tablets en masse from Argos and the like in the last 2 or 3 years. I think they quite rightly expect a new update to run perfectly and not wreck their user experience.


Are you for real ?

Well I suppose that's what it's turned into after a month or two of 5.0 being out. But was it really fair of Google not to forewarn users of the potential for problems at the very start ? People install updates in the expectation of improvement, not to have their device wrecked.

Do you even own a computer

Consider even software developed by NASA has bugs. Totally my personal opinion but you have a completely unrealistic view of software updates.

Well, in reasonably expecting an update not to wreck my device, I plead guilty on that one

Lesson learned, however

I hope many of the other people who've had a negative experience of this update have also learned. Some of them have posted here.

How utterly moronic of us not to realise that the update was only at the guinea pig stage, amd all the improvement hype was merely a pisstake

In my view its more perspective than moronic.

If we assume Nexus 7 tablet (2012 + 2013 combined) sales represent a positive estimate at 0.01% of activated devices you can see the issue the Android team face.

The feedback from real world users is therefore critical to ironing out the defects at an early stage.

Same here. The little triangle appeared on the tablet saying new software was available from Google and that installing it would increase the performance of the tablet. I believed it would. Maybe a warning that "this may **** up your device" would have been better!

Yes, I will NEVER update a perfectly functioning piece of equipment unless I'm 100% sure it will not be rendered useless OR that I'll have to go through processes beyond my technical abilities. That seems lunacy to me.

Precisely.

The fact remains that the update was never issued with a health warning, and to me anyway, it seems pointless issuing dubious updates to perfectly viable devices.

I don't get the logic of the poster above (rosetech). No sane user is going to install stuff which might ruin their tablet, and whose touted benefits are not that brilliant to start with.

They do it out of part ignorance. But at least no one encourages you to update Android 'come what may'.

The existence of this thread, especially the earlier posts, is proof that many tablet owners are anxious to install any new enhancements, proven or unproven, at the earliest opportunity. This despite the number of app reviewers complaining that the latest upgrade has broken their favourite software. Caution is needed. Windows and even Linux upgrades sometimes do more harm than good and antivirus updates, as I know to my cost, can be catastrophic. Why should Android be any different?

Early in the thread people have warned about the update, it didnt stop them upgrading however. Re-read the thread and then lets talk about sanity.

BTW I have a 2012 (5.02) and 2013 (5.0.1) Nexus 7 - both work fine with Lollipop now. But I would still wait until the end of Jan before upgrading given your opinion on upgrades.

With any technology you will always get a group of early adopters who want the latest version of everything no matter how untested it is. They don't care if it is unstable or they have to do a manual install - they just want the latest goods.

That's fine if you know what you are doing and aware of the risks. If you are a technology company, these early adopters can be a pain but they are useful as they are the first to report issues so that problems can be ironed out before the mass market gets around to upgrading. They can also help spread the gospel if you have a good product or kill it dead if it is a bad one.

At the opposite end of the spectrum you get the group of people who never upgrade because they are happy with what they have got, are too afraid to change or don't know how to. These are the people who are still using Windows 95 and have a 5 year old phone.

You are absolutely right. My OH refuses point blank to be indoctrinated by the constant need to know everything now culture that has sprung up around smartphones, tablets etc.

She still uses a Nokia 3410!! As far as she is concerned, it still works perfectly. It calls people, people can call or text her and she can respond. She tells me that when she is out, she can't legally use the phone in the car and when she is shopping or having a coffee with friends, she doesn't want to be constantly interrupted by tweets about what Stephen Fry (eg) might be doing or of some catastrophe is another part of the world. That sort of news will be all over the place when she gets home and turns on her PC or TV or radio.

I have to say with my Nexus 7 and Nexus 5 I sometimes wonder if she's not right!!

You just don't get the blindingly obvious here, do you ?

As I see it, this update offered a different UI which I didn't like and unnecessary animation and grotty colours here and there. There was much else which for my needs were superfluous and so updating and having to restore all my App, contacts etc was a completely out of the question.
I believe my Sony Xperia Z3C phone (New) is also supposed to be getting this update this year but there is no way I'd let this happen.

Plus much better battery life, faster app loading and iPlayer downloads now work.

Well, I'd always go along with anything that improves battery life. Faster App loading and iPlayer downloads? I haven't experienced any problems.

Sorry what that a small population of nexus 2012 tablet users have issues with an upgrade? Or perhaps you are not upgrading but you want to?

For any upgrade you need to ask how significant are the changes. For lollipop the changes are significant i.e. the change to ART from dalvik.

You may have noticed that the number of people buying small easily portable devices like wi fi tablets, increased considerably in the period between 2011 and now - statement of fact.

Of that number, most will be click and go users, and not technically advanced - statement of fact.

The click and go users will not understand what phrases like ART and dalvik actually mean, nor will they give a toss as they just want to browse, buy on line, look at their bank account and play you tube videos - statement of fact

They will see an upgrade on their tablet and install it, in the expectation that it's a necessary improvement - statement of fact.

For that to be foisted upon them without a health warning by the distributor, but merely talking up the possible benefits, is piss poor customer service at best, and, cynically, a vehicle to obsolete their current model at worst - statement of fact.