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KatrinaK
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by clivefield:
“He may have had a good voice but was a boring average performer who does not look like a pop star. He was hardly going to make it was he”

To be honest, I don't care who's going to make it afterwards. I watch and vote purely based on talent and Paul IMO is the most talented of the lot and deserves to stay over Jay James who gave a weak performance and vocal wise, is much more limited.

I totally disagree about being a boring average performer. That man has soul but you are right about him not making it - under syco I mean but then the same could be said for Jay James. Neither would have made it if they had won the show but it's clear as day who won that sing off and who had the most talent.

Paul should have stayed, hands down.
Scarlet O'Hara
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by Vulpes:
“Yeah, but I'm sure you would have said "I'm sending Paul home because I think Jay has more star quality", which is your opinion and is fair enough. Louis just stated "I can't decide" which is a cop out.”

Louis talks jibberish when he's not spouting one of his Louis-bot cliches. So I'd expect nothing meaningful from him.

But he did the right thing here. He couldn't choose, couldn't articulate why, (quelle surprise) and let the public decide.

I wonder how much criticism he'd get on DS if Jay was sent home by Louis despite having more public votes. Very little I'm guessing.
TammyTam
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by cooler:
“I wonder if Louis decided to go against what he was told and sent Jay home instead, would he be there for the 2015 series.”

If they didn't extend his contract, I'd love to hear him shed some light about the producers antics, maybe through a book (although don't let him write it himself.) What really happened during Carolynne v. Rylan, what the truth about the sudden Mary Byrne v. Cher Lloyd sing-off was about, the back stage tension between Sharon and Dannii, etc.

It'd be an interesting read.

Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I wonder how much criticism he'd get on DS if Jay was sent home by Louis despite having more public votes. Very little I'm guessing.”

Well, we wouldn't know until the end of the series, and by that point people would have stopped caring, so by that very virtue alone, yes there would be little criticism.
d56
09-11-2014
Louis is a joke. He always has been and he always will be. It's a total farce that he is still there. I maintain that the only reason he is, is because he has something on Cowell.
KatrinaK
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by D. Morgan:
“No, the producers didn't decide. The public did.

They gave Paul a naff song and a naff slot. That doesn't mean you couldn't pick up your phone and vote. They can't physically stop your votes.”

No but they do have a sing-off, don't they? This is where they chose who sung best.

Paul beat Jay by a long shot.

However the producers and Simon (not Louis) took it to deadlock to ensure he went.

Honest people need to wake up and I'm not directing this at you. The whole "the public decide" is complete bollox. The x-factor is a multi-million pound show who thrives on entertainment and seeks potential "stars" that they can fit into the xfactor brand. The rest are disposable to fill up the gaps.

It's clear as day they wanted Paul out tonight and executed a situation (death slot, poor song choice, badly edited vt) to secure he was in the bottom two. If he wasn't at the bottom of the votes, Louis would have chose to save Jay. It's all well people saying "you should vote" (I did), but no amount of votes would override the shows manipulations and the various resources they have to make that happen. I knew yesterday that it would have to take a miracle for Paul to avoid the bottom two, no matter how many times his fans voted.

The year of Katie Waissle opened my eyes to the shows manipulations. I'll never forget Mary getting a last minute sing off, giving Cher a free ticket to the final.
sinbad22uk
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by D. Morgan:
“Imbecile?

Producers can manipulate song choice, staging and judges comments all they want but they CAN'T stop your votes. You loved Paul so much, pick up the phone and vote for him. You don't and he ends up in the bottom two and is out.

So no, not the stereotypical answer of an imbecile, but of someone who can grasp that in a competition where you win by getting votes, if you don't get the votes - you will be going home.

Christopher Maloney was stitched up every week with odd comments, staging, songs and VT's but guess what...he got the votes and came 3rd. How the world works...”


They kept Maloney until he had served his purpose then then PR machine worked overtime to get rid of him, if you think it is a fair competition then you are more naive than I first thought.
Scarlet O'Hara
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by TammyTam:
“If they didn't extend his contract, I'd love to hear him shed some light about the producers antics, maybe through a book (although don't let him write it himself.) What really happened during Carolynne v. Rylan, what the truth about the sudden Mary Byrne v. Cher Lloyd sing-off was about, the back stage tension between Sharon and Dannii, etc.

It'd be an interesting read.



Well, we wouldn't know until the end of the series, and by that point people would have stopped caring, so by that very virtue alone, yes there would be little criticism.”

I think you knew the point I was making but let me be clearer: it is more unfair for the person with most votes to be sent home on the whim of four judges.

And some DS posters are failing to grasp that the public are not an amorphous mass of dimwits being mind controlled by producers. They're autonomous individuals from all walks of life who preferred someone else more than Paul.
Vena
09-11-2014
Louis is a weasel.
sinbad22uk
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I think you knew the point I was making but let me be clearer: it is more unfair for the person with most votes to be sent home on the whim of four judges.

And some DS posters are failing to grasp that the public are not an amorphous mass of dimwits being mind controlled by producers. They're autonomous individuals from all walks of life who preferred someone else more than Paul.”

Hahahahaha , that just sums it up. No need to say more.
Darcyprincess
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“I felt so bad for him tonight. He knew he'd been screwed over.

I hope he can bounce back from this and someone gives him a record deal.

The great thing for me is that there is none else in the show that I care enough to see win. I can watch every Sunday not giving a rats arse who gets booted out anymore.”

Totally agree Katrina, it was a total travesty Paul going, he sung his socks off. But Simon wanted rid of him and he has Louis in his pocket and this is why he keeps him as a judge. Paul was totally stitched up this week and last week and it's a total disgrace.

The whole show sickens me, especially Simon and Louis.
KatrinaK
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“Totally agree Katrina, it was a total travesty Paul going, he sung his socks off. But Simon wanted rid of him and he has Louis in his pocket and this is why he keeps him as a judge. Paul was totally stitched up this week and last week and it's a total disgrace.

The whole show sickens me, especially Simon and Louis.”

Yup and I thought I was done with my drama with 'reality' tv after this big brother fiasco this summer.

but yeah, a poor result tonight.

They may as well scrap the sing off if it means letting the public deciding but then I suppose they'd lose the ability to control the result when it suits them.

The public vote doesn't benefit us (they quite happily pocket our money) but it benefits them, giving them absolute control over who stays or goes.
Darcyprincess
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I think you knew the point I was making but let me be clearer: it is more unfair for the person with most votes to be sent home on the whim of four judges.

And some DS posters are failing to grasp that the public are not an amorphous mass of dimwits being mind controlled by producers. They're autonomous individuals from all walks of life who preferred someone else more than Paul.”

Then if your theory is right why have the judges comments and vote, they might as well just go to the public vote. The idea is s'pose to be the best singer in the sing off goes through and that was clearly Paul this week and Lola last week so the judges are not doing their jobs properly are they?
Kittygodfree
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by Vulpes:
“Yeah, but I'm sure you would have said "I'm sending Paul home because I think Jay has more star quality", which is your opinion and is fair enough. Louis just stated "I can't decide" which is a cop out.”

But he did decide by taking it to deadlock he effectively voted for jay lily livered fool he knows 'Paul was better
Sandra_Bainbrid
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by Vulpes:
“It's Simon I blame. Should have sacked Louis years ago.”

Simon is to blame for the terrible comments on Paul. Simon as sucked the life out of him, not the other way round. He has to bounce back and have the last laugh. Louis the scapegoat and it is SC's making.
Darcyprincess
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“Yup and I thought I was done with my drama with 'reality' tv after this big brother fiasco this summer.

but yeah, a poor result tonight.

They may as well scrap the sing off if it means letting the public deciding but then I suppose they'd lose the ability to control the result when it suits them.

The public vote doesn't benefit us (they quite happily pocket our money) but it benefits them, giving them absolute control over who stays or goes.”

Yes, this is why I don't pay to vote and I only use the App! It's all a total fix!
J05h
09-11-2014
Paul was bottom of the votes simple as that.

As for Louis he has been picked on all series about his decision last year regarding Paul and he has shown no respect (Paul) towards Louis.

Paul was bottom of the odds prior to tonight's show to win, so it is not the shock everyone is making out it to be.

as for the sing off Paul was good but he lacks emotion when he sings Louis has always championed Jay and jay song seemed emotional etc,

I think Louis bottled it though in taking it to deadlock.
KatrinaK
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by Darcyprincess:
“Then if your theory is right why have the judges comments and vote, they might as well just go to the public vote. The idea is s'pose to be the best singer in the sing off goes through and that was clearly Paul this week and Lola last week so the judges are not doing their jobs properly are they?”

Yup. If it's unfair for the person who the second least votes go, then why even bother with a sing off? Why not just scrap it altogether? If the sing off is there for the judges to decide who stays, then Paul would have been saved. He won that sing off, hands down.

Like I said, that theory is only used when it suits them. Katie Waissle staying over Aiden, Paige and TreyC said it all.
Kittygodfree
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by Scarlet O'Hara:
“I think you knew the point I was making but let me be clearer: it is more unfair for the person with most votes to be sent home on the whim of four judges.

And some DS posters are failing to grasp that the public are not an amorphous mass of dimwits being mind controlled by producers. They're autonomous individuals from all walks of life who preferred someone else more than Paul.”

Maybe but then why have a sing off, it is supposed to see who deserves to stay because they 'win' the sing off. Just ditch it then and get rid of the lowest scorer.
As for the public, lets look at some of the 'talent' they have voted for in the past. So Miss O'Hara as far as this series goes 'frankly my dear I don't give a damn'
Darcyprincess
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“No but they do have a sing-off, don't they? This is where they chose who sung best.

Paul beat Jay by a long shot.

However the producers and Simon (not Louis) took it to deadlock to ensure he went.

Honest people need to wake up and I'm not directing this at you. The whole "the public decide" is complete bollox. The x-factor is a multi-million pound show who thrives on entertainment and seeks potential "stars" that they can fit into the xfactor brand. The rest are disposable to fill up the gaps.

It's clear as day they wanted Paul out tonight and executed a situation (death slot, poor song choice, badly edited vt) to secure he was in the bottom two. If he wasn't at the bottom of the votes, Louis would have chose to save Jay. It's all well people saying "you should vote" (I did), but no amount of votes would override the shows manipulations and the various resources they have to make that happen. I knew yesterday that it would have to take a miracle for Paul to avoid the bottom two, no matter how many times his fans voted.

The year of Katie Waissle opened my eyes to the shows manipulations. I'll never forget Mary getting a last minute sing off, giving Cher a free ticket to the final.”

Exactly this, Paul was stitched up like a kipper. Simon wanted him out last week so gave him the death slot this week after slating him to the nation last week. Will Simon now direct his nastiness at Andrea because he is a big threat to one of his category winning? Paul had started the show twice yet Andrea had finished it twice, most strange.
Darcyprincess
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by Kittygodfree:
“Maybe but then why have a sing off, it is supposed to see who deserves to stay because they 'win' the sing off. Just ditch it then and get rid of the lowest scorer.
As for the public, lets look at some of the 'talent' they have voted for in the past. So Miss O'Hara as far as this series goes 'frankly my dear I don't give a damn'”

Great last sentance, love it!!!
Darcyprincess
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“Yup. If it's unfair for the person who the second least votes go, then why even bother with a sing off? Why not just scrap it altogether? If the sing off is there for the judges to decide who stays, then Paul would have been saved. He won that sing off, hands down.

Like I said, that theory is only used when it suits them. Katie Waissle staying over Aiden, Paige and TreyC said it all.”

Yes I was livid the year Laura White went over the Spanish girl in the same way.
D. Morgan
09-11-2014
Originally Posted by KatrinaK:
“No but they do have a sing-off, don't they? This is where they chose who sung best.

Paul beat Jay by a long shot.

However the producers and Simon (not Louis) took it to deadlock to ensure he went.

Honest people need to wake up and I'm not directing this at you. The whole "the public decide" is complete bollox. The x-factor is a multi-million pound show who thrives on entertainment and seeks potential "stars" that they can fit into the xfactor brand. The rest are disposable to fill up the gaps.

It's clear as day they wanted Paul out tonight and executed a situation (death slot, poor song choice, badly edited vt) to secure he was in the bottom two. If he wasn't at the bottom of the votes, Louis would have chose to save Jay. It's all well people saying "you should vote" (I did), but no amount of votes would override the shows manipulations and the various resources they have to make that happen. I knew yesterday that it would have to take a miracle for Paul to avoid the bottom two, no matter how many times his fans voted.

The year of Katie Waissle opened my eyes to the shows manipulations. I'll never forget Mary getting a last minute sing off, giving Cher a free ticket to the final.”

I'm not arguing that they wanted Paul out, they have done for weeks, but if people voted for him then he would still be there despite what the producers wanted.

I personally found the dead-lock last week more unjustified than tonight as StereoKicks had been in the bottom before. There was nothing much between Jay and Paul at all, both are very good vocally but poor performers - fairest way was to just let the public vote decide.
sinbad22uk
10-11-2014
Originally Posted by D. Morgan:
“I'm not arguing that they wanted Paul out, they have done for weeks, but if people voted for him then he would still be there despite what the producers wanted.

I personally found the dead-lock last week more unjustified than tonight as StereoKicks had been in the bottom before. There was nothing much between Jay and Paul at all, both are very good vocally but poor performers - fairest way was to just let the public vote decide.”


But you are totally missing the point, all of the people who are fans of Paul probably did vote for him but it is the casual floating voter who seem to sway things one way or the other and these are the people who don't have their own strong views and are manipulated by the judges, especially Simon, who seems to have this massive influence which is why I tag those people imbeciles. maybe too strong a word but it is so obvious and so annoying.

I always look at the odds for elimination which are usually fairly accurate and before Simons assassination of Paul 2 weeks ago he had been a minimum of 16-1 more often 33-1' and 4 th favourite to win. Despite giving a solid performance his odds and also his chances dropped like a brick after those comments, so please don't tell me that Simon and co cannot sway public opinion. Paul's unhappiness with his songs was portrayed as him being ungrateful to be their and a diva, yet only the youngs dissatisfaction with Louis song choices has been portrayed in a positive light promoting the fact that they know the direction in which they want to go.

If this was a football competition there would be allegations and investigations into match fixing, but Cowell and co have the media in their pockets, just like his former PR man Max Clifford did, he came crashing down to earth and lots of truths are now coming out that were previously banned from the media.
jadebutterfly96
10-11-2014
The sing off has never been the ONLY factor that decides the judges votes. It never has. It's there to help the judges to decide but the judges have always taken other things into consideration including past performances etc.
Patti-Ann
10-11-2014
A lot of people on twitter aren't happy:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/x...isters-4601229
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