Everyone wants her back and I'm sure Moffat is aware of this so instead of a female Master why not make Missy The Rani?

I know Moffat likes to surprise the audience but The Rani returning would've made ratings go through the roof.

Because obviously for some people political correctness is more important than quality and tradition of the show. Sadly but true.

What a shame. Such a great series contaminated by politics and ruined in the last two episodes. It could have been the best series so far.

Since when was the Rani the mark of tradition or quality for Doctor Who - capable of instantly pulling in the crowds?

Since a rift to a very, very strange alternate universe opened into, what we know as, reality.

Seriously?


well the rush of peeps replying to the OP in support clearly shows that everyone wants the rani back. (NOT)

No some long term fans or die hards want her return, most fans don't know who she is or even think you are talking about a character the sja. The master is a character established to both long time who fans and those only familiar with new who. To all the audience its a revelation when Misi is revealed as the master.

Imagine if the scene had been 'well i couldn't very well keep calling myself sheena'. The audience is then left with why not, who's sheena, why she not called sheena, why is the doctor bothered how do they know each other. At what point do you think they would go press pause i'm goinng to wiki to find out who sheena is then watch a bunch on old episodes so that i can make sense of thos revelation.

My annoyance is more why 'kill' misi whats with new who having to wrap things up just have her escape when they are distracted.

Secondly i think the real point of misi is to establish in new who that timelords can become timeladies which may be useful for future castings.

on a serious note, how many of the "new" audience are going to know or even care who the Rani is??

since the Eccleston revival, there's been a relevance for the Master, but the Rani??? Last seen in what, 1989?? how many children nowadays will have even heard of her? unless they're watching the replays on Horror, no-one will even know there was a "Rani"

just accept that Moffat probably doesn't think there's much value in bringing back a minor character

I don't know if you noticed, but the vast majority of the complaints geared at the finale episode were actually for things not related to the gender change of The Master. The majority of people seem to have accepted that aspect. I say that as someone who also believes the finale was a severe let down... but then I also hold the opinion that Missy was still probably among the best things about it. Heck, we had a gender-swap for a major character and the biggest complaints about Dark Water were about the cremation element!

The funny thing is that these so-called "politically correct" people just accept the change, move on and hope for a decent story.
It's only those who are offended or insecure about the concept of a gender swap that are so wrapped up in their hatred at the notion of it, that have allowed it to be the deciding factor as to whether it was a decent story or not. Then they get offended further when they've basically clouded their own judgement to the point they weren't really going to like the story whether it was decent or not anyway.

Seriously Moffat why not the Meddling Monk?

Seriously Moffat why not Drax?

Seriously Moffat why not the War Chief?

Seriously Moffat why not Tobias Vaughan?

Seriously Moffat why not Sil?

Seriously Moffat why not Soldeed?

Seriously Moffat why not Mavic Chen?

Seriously Moffat why not the Black Guardian?

Seriously Moffat why not the Mara?

Etcetera, etcetera , etcetera.

I'm still waiting to see Moffat's infamous Fnarg!

Seriously Moffat...

Moffat wanted a female Master. That's why he did it. He could've got Simm to redo the role as Gomez didn't add anything to the Master's portrayal. But no, he was fixated on a female Master.

The Mara? Now you're talking!

Can only echo what others have said, really. Kate O'Mara was *great* but there aren't even many, um, 'older' fans who think her two stories were particularly memorable. (I know she was in something else, but not going there!) Obviously the character can return, maybe will, but I can see why they went with the Master for a series finale. Worked for me. Love Gomez.

Glad Simm is out. Can't take that incarnation seriously after the super-charged cannibal. Gomez was plenty compelling in comparison. (Nope - my mind shall not be changed)

The other option was a new character. But no doubt there would have been moans that we were promised a big reveal. Seb, for example.

EDIT: Bolded for emphasis.

Oh come on. Gomez in 'Death in Heaven' really wasn't that much different to Simm's Master.

Very true

For years all we heard from the ones who don't want it is they can't do it everybody will hate it and everybody will turn off.

Now it's happened the hate the fact nobody turned off not even them (if they watched Death In Haven they didn't turn off) and hate the fact most fans either loved it or didn't care about the change.


What I found most meant is "Don't do it because I don't want to see it and only MY opinion counts while most "PC" people said do it or don't do it don't really care either way.

sarcastic and oafish.

As for The Rani maybe because she is one of the most unpopular characters in the history of the show

Mainly because he wanted to lay the ground work for a female Doctor

Yes it was.

Would have preferred it if the big reveal had been Romana.

I think it would have been more interesting to show her to have gone mad from fighting in the Time War and to still be fighting it - hence why she needed an army of Cybermen.

Really? Everyone? As far as I can tell there's a tiny minority of very vocal fans who want the Rani back and incessantly bang on about the tedious character.
In the wider world, virtually no-one remembers the character, and there has been absolutely no clamour to have her return.
And there is no way on earth that ratings would go through the roof if the Rani returned.
Do you seriously believe that? Based on what?

Where's the politics? Really? Where are they? Where is the moralising about whether it's right or wrong to change sex? The political subtext about the Master not being taken seriously as a woman? The speech about not hurting women's feeling by being nasty to them? Nowhere. The evil bad guy was a woman, and everyone just accepted that. It was the absolute least political or shocking that it could possibly be. Simm returning would be more shocking.

I'm not sure what definition of political correctness you're using, but it's wrong.


That seems like an incredibly unlikely assumption. I assume you don't have any sources that have Moffat mentioning how he wants a female Master at all cost?

Given that the Master's sex played almost no role in the story at all, it seems more like he wanted the Master, and an actor perfectly suited to the role became available.

Esperanza Gomez was far better at playing a genuine evil and disturbed person than John Sims was.

Joan Sims would have been better then him!

Surely you mean Michelle Gomez and John Simm? Unless you're talking about a different programme...

edit: I just googled Esperanza Gomez! She definitely wasn't playing Missy in Doctor Who!!

Ummm.... no.

I never liked the Rani. I'm glad she has not been brought back.
I didn't like Simm's Master either. Too nutty. Too zany. Too Jim Carrey.
I don't like Gomez' Master either. Aside from the gender question, also too nutty. Too bananas. Too John Simm.